Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

[GandalfTheWhite]

Amen!!

But according to Paul. there will be a day they all repent and get saved

Yes brother. It is busy happening as we speak.

Google Rabbi Kaduri and you will see

Slowly but surely our Jewish friends are accepting Yeshua as the Messiah...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

2 strikes against this faulty view, Isreal has been enslaved since Syria first captured the nnorthern kingdom. they have never been free as a nation since. [/B][/COLOR]

They are free in Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is a tree composed of? Branches and a root. Israel is both the tree and the vine into which all believers are now grafted into.

How could israel be cut off, if it is them they are grafted on. They are cut off themselves??

You are starting to scare me man!! do you even think these things through?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Please calm down the sarcasm.This is a difficult subject already.I dont want nasty arguments.Please respect each other.Thanks

Yes Ma'am. Guilty as charged. and I am calm now

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They are free in Christ.

They are slaves to the world. who still want to kill them.

Stop trying to allegorize prophesy, Your making the prophet a liar.

You can not allegorize a passage every time it goes against your belief syste, it does not work that way.

Thats what the catholic church did and thats what got so many people in trouble to begin with.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes brother. It is busy happening as we speak.

Google Rabbi Kaduri and you will see

Slowly but surely our Jewish friends are accepting Yeshua as the Messiah...

yes, there has always been a remnant, Praise God. There are many jews in my church, and has been for along time.

But again, according to the prophets. It is the time of Jacobs trouble which get them to repent, and finally admit their mistake in rejectingn Christ.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Scripture states the Church is one new man made up of both Jew and Gentile.
How can it be Israel when it is new?

Ephesians 2:14-16 KJVS
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

...something new called the Church, His Body.

It sounds like you're teaching a replacement theology in which those Jews are not a part of Israel.

 

[kaylagrl]

Yes Ma'am. Guilty as charged. and I am calm now

Lol I know,its easy to get worked up.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I missed that, thank you.

Christ is the tree, Isreal are natural branches, Gentiles are un-natural branches..

We are the wild olive tree

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are the wild olive tree

yes we are called that also

 

[crossnote]

The "plan B" generation of the last 2,000 years should be grateful for the "plan A" generation that did not make it. We are fortunate that God did change and we now have a chance...

Your so called plan a and plan b has always been Plan A.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why would Christ give himself a land he already owns, He owns the world. He has no need of one small peace of land.

GOD promised the land to Christ in order to restore what Adam lost. GOD owns everything, but mankind did not until Christ.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

yes, there has always been a remnant, Praise God. There are many jews in my church, and has been for along time.

But again, according to the prophets. It is the time of Jacobs trouble which get them to repent, and finally admit their mistake in rejectingn Christ.

We are in an Afrikaans church and the Jews in SA are mostly English. Our church is in an old Synagogue and one day an old Jewish man and his wife attend the church (they are Christians). The service was about the crucifixion and this guy and his wife cried from the beginning of the service until the end......

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

They are slaves to the world. who still want to kill them.

The Jewish brothers that I've known were not slaves to the world. How can you make such an ignorant statement?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

How could israel be cut off, if it is them they are grafted on. They are cut off themselves??

You are starting to scare me man!! do you even think these things through?

I don't know what this means. You getting so emotional that you can't express your thoughts about this subject well scares me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

GOD promised the land to Christ in order to restore what Adam lost. GOD owns everything, but mankind did not until Christ.

This makes no sense..

God does not need a whole national land to do this..

Again, get real. If this is all it was for. all Christ needed was jerusalem. Not a whole nation.

And you still ignore and twist all of the OT prophesies concerning the restoration of Israel after she had rejected her messiah and were sent packing because of it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are in an Afrikaans church and the Jews in SA are mostly English. Our church are in an old Synagogue and one day an old Jewish man and his wife attend the church (they are Christians). The service was about the crucifixion and this guy and his wife cried from the beginning of the service until the end......

When some friends of mine were in Israel. they went to a bookstore. The bookstore had a model of the old temple for sale. my friends asked the store owner if he was existed that Israel will some day be restored completely and the temple rebuilt. The guy could not understand how a Christian could think this, he thought we all hated Israel

My friends asked him if he ever read Daniel. The man said Daniel was a forbidden book to All Jews..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't know what this means. You getting so emotional that you can't express your thoughts about this subject well scares me.

I am not emotional I am dumbfounded that people can say things which make no sense, and think they are ok in what they believe

you said Isreal was the tree

Paul said Israel was cut off the tree.

So how isreal be cut off itself. that makes no sense.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Your so called plan a and plan b has always been Plan A.

Agreed. It was the plan from the beginning that the gentiles would be part of Israel through Manasseh (The multitude of nations)

 

[james57]

When some friends of mine were in Israel. they went to a bookstore. The bookstore had a model of the old temple for sale. my friends asked the store owner if he was existed that Israel will some day be restored completely and the temple rebuilt. The guy could not understand how a Christian could think this, he thought we all hated Israel

My friends asked him if he ever read Daniel. The man said Daniel was a forbidden book to All Jews..

It might help, if they gathered all their theological books written by the brightest and the best, had a bonfire, and watched them all go up in smoke, then just stuck to the bible. They would need to also abandon reliance on the natural mind and trust the only one who could lead them into truth, but nothing is impossible, is it?