Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

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Because IT WAS. Some of you people seem to think that God has never worked in the past, but after the return there were a number of great 'revivals' and the land prospered more and more. All that was promised in those promises was fulfilled.

And then the promises came to final fulfilment in the Coming of Jesus Christ which so many of you seem to try to bypass or see as some minor event. Jesus Christ finally established the new everlasting covenant, the covenant in the blood of God. There can be no greater..
Oh, I thought you said in your prior post that the everlasting covenant was not the new covenant. That was my only concern.
 
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The apostles are Israel. They were the only ones of Israel with whom the lord made the new covenant.

uh....I cannot even begin to understand how you come to that conclusion

it's seriously mixed up and most definately wrong

nothing personal
 

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I think I need to say it again.

the law does not reveal the characteristics of God. it reveals sin.

What is the main characteristic of God? 'thou shalt not?' I don't think so

there is confusion here

God IS Spirit...he is holy, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, immutable, righteous and others...that is not revealed in the law...oh, you might think so if you already know something about God...but how does a person see these things if they do not know God? All they see is their tendency to break the commandments! Which, is exactly the reason for the law
Actually the Law was given in order to show the disparate groups that had joined to form Israel how to live. It had the same place as OUR laws in directing lives. It was a Law offering life (but not eternal life). Had they followed it their nation would have prospered. It was later Israel which turned it into a theological way of finding salvation. But OT saints received life in the same way that we do, through God's mercy and His provided sacrifices.
 
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Would someone please ask herose to stop hijacking and arguing in this thread? He blocked me before and now is taking over the thread. He's had his say. Since I cant ask him to stop I would ask someone reading this to do so for me. Thank you.

I've just had an realization

herose is masculine

picture must have thrown me off...for weeks I have been thinking he is a she

sorry herose

carry on
 
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I've just had an realization

herose is masculine

picture must have thrown me off...for weeks I have been thinking he is a she

sorry herose

carry on

Yes I thought the same thing.If you disagree too much he will block you.Which is fine but now he's taking over the thread.
 
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uh....I cannot even begin to understand how you come to that conclusion

it's seriously mixed up and most definately wrong

nothing personal
How in the world can you say that they're not? They were the seed of Abraham with whom Jesus made the new covenant. Who else could that be but Israel?

Who do you think they were?
 
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How in the world can you say that they're not? They were the seed of Abraham with whom Jesus made the new covenant. Who else could that be but Israel?

Who do you think they were?

and you can rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic but she's still going
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After the regathering of the Jews, who were scattered into many nations, back to their homeland and becoming a nation in 1948, is not that an incredible turn of events that favored the Jews as a people after much suffering and being dispersed?
What is miraculous about it? A number of Jews and others who have aligned themselves with the Jews have found refuge as refugees in a land which was initially empty. Israel is not made up of Jews as you think of them. Few can prove any connections with the fathers. But it was a place which offered hope.

Equally interesting is that the Arabs have also taken refuge in Palestine on the grounds that they are Abraham's seed. Palestinian Arabs have no more substantial recent claim on the land than the 'Jews'. Their claim also is on the basis of the past.


Do you know of another people and nation that this has happened to?

The Palestinian Arabs.

May I remind you this state of Israel occured approximately 1915 years after Pentecost and the beginning of the Christian church which has continued to the present. The church and body of Christ has also been active during this time alongside the favor that has been showed to the people of Israel.
No the church has been active AS Israel.

There are two distinct bodies that have been showed favor from God, one being Israel which is still in unbelief and two being the church (called out ones) who have believed on the Son of God. One has not replaced the other and both are intact presently, being imperfect as they are.
So the Jews who have been ousted were the believing Jews? There is only one body, the Israel of God, made up of believing Jews and their Gentile proselytes. It is not a matter of replacement but of continuation. God ALWAYS enabled Israel to continue through those who believed.
Paul prayed to God in (Romans 10) that Israel might be saved for they were a disobedient and gainsaying people (v.21) because he knew that God had not cast away his people which he foreknew (Rom 11:2)
you misrepresent Rom 11.2. His people whom He foreknew are there shown to be the remnant who believed, the election of Israel. Don't pick out verses. Follow the argument.
 
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and you can rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic but she's still going
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you've hit an iceburg
My words will stand. The fact that no one can answer other than to say I'm wrong shows how weak their position is.
 
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LOL...I know! but I just kept seeing that photo and thought you were a girl...sorry...:eek:
The picture is of 3 Indonesian daughters whose mother (picture) was in jail and threatened with death for her Christian beliefs.
 
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My words will stand. The fact that no one can answer other than to say I'm wrong shows how weak their position is.
At least you're walking in humility... oh wait... no, you're not. Never mind.
 
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The picture is of 3 Indonesian daughters whose mother (picture) was in jail and threatened with death for her Christian beliefs.

ok...I'm joking around a bit as you can see, but that's serious stuff

thanks for explaining...we here have no idea and I am of the belief that we would do well to remember those in other lands who suffer and die for what we take for granted here

thanks
 
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well we can read them sure nuff

Cute, but unbecoming of someone who claims to love the truth. If what I say isn't true, demonstrate scripturally that it is wrong. Otherwise, why don't you believe me?
 

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After the regathering of the Jews, who were scattered into many nations, back to their homeland and becoming a nation in 1948, is not that an incredible turn of events that favored the Jews as a people after much suffering and being dispersed? Do you know of another people and nation that this has happened to? May I remind you this state of Israel occured approximately 1915 years after Pentecost and the beginning of the Christian church which has continued to the present. The church and body of Christ has also been active during this time alongside the favor that has been showed to the people of Israel. There are two distinct bodies that have been showed favor from God, one being Israel which is still in unbelief and two being the church (called out ones) who have believed on the Son of God. One has not replaced the other and both are intact presently, being imperfect as they are.

Paul prayed to God in (Romans 10) that Israel might be saved for they were a disobedient and gainsaying people (v.21) because he knew that God had not cast away his people which he foreknew (Rom 11:2) who had been blinded in part (v.25). Paul was a member of the church and to this very day his prayer is still active within the pillar and ground of the church.

Rom 11:25-36

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

As it has been very clearly explained throughout this thread the idea of a future Jewish state has absolutely nothing to do with scripture. As all false teachings based on scripture, it is a wholly misunderstanding/misinterpretation of scripture. It is the typical format of deriving a premise and then looking for proof texts to support it even though they are taken out of context and are misinterpreted while disavowing what scripture actually teaches.

Some false doctrines are quite subtle and not easily discerned. However, when a theory such as dispensationalism can be very easily determined to have been developed by man quite recently and has no historical connection to the meaning of scripture prior to that point, this being the early 19th century it cannot be the meaning of scripture, nor the work of the Holy Spirit.

It is one of the surest test for false teaching. It was not known, believed, practiced prior to the historical point of entry, in other words it was not what the Holy Spirit gave ONCE, Jude 3, is not the unified Gospel from the beginning which has been preserved without change from the beginning.

There is NO content in all of scripture that teaches Christ will return two more times. That there is some future earthly kingdom of the Jews. It is as complete misunderstanding that the Jews of Jesus' day had about the Messiah being some earthly King that would remove the shackles of the Romans. Now we have modern man still holding, resurrecting old false beliefs of 2000 years ago.

The theory is a complete perversion of scripture because it denies the real content and meaning of who Christ is and what He has accomplished for man.
 
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At least you're walking in humility... oh wait... no, you're not. Never mind.
Cute. Do you have any knowledge or understanding that could prove me wrong? If I do speak the truth, then I can speak with authority. And the same for you. Prove me wrong and I will accept I'm wrong.
 
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Cute, but unbecoming of someone who claims to love the truth. If what I say isn't true, demonstrate scripturally that it is wrong. Otherwise, why don't you believe me?

oh please...are you trying to tell me God has no sense of humor?

sheesh

you know, just wait a minutte...who are you to tell me I don't love the truth?

you don't accept anything anyone has to say but yourself

and that's as ticked off as I intend to get today

chill bro
 
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Why is the Church described as a 'firstfruit' and not Israel if they are the same?

James 1:18 (KJV) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.