I'm a 'premiller' who believes virtually all OT prophecy has been fulfilled, or is in the state of being fulfilled. Being premil does not necessitate being dispensational.
What would have to happen for you to change your Eschatological position?
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I'm a 'premiller' who believes virtually all OT prophecy has been fulfilled, or is in the state of being fulfilled. Being premil does not necessitate being dispensational.
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eternally-gratefull
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Why would God change the way he does things? Why would he change the way he fulfills prophesy?
How many times is 70 times 7? and if we forgave our brother this many times, Does that means we stop forgiving him?
thousand generations is the same way, Also. the thousand generations is the mosaic covenant, not the Abrahamic. So it does not even fit the eschatological doctrinal truth. One was conditional. the other was not.
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Why would that matter? Israel did not obey his commands, See Lev 26.
Does lev 26 say God will stop remembering his promise to abraham if Israel repent. even after 50,000 years? (think 70 times 7)
This is what would have to happen 
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Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJVS
[35] Thus saith the Lord , which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: [36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord , then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. [37] Thus saith the Lord ; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord .
Notice at the end, "for all that they have done"...that's physical Israel not us.
...Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJVS
[35] Thus saith the Lord , which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: [36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord , then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. [37] Thus saith the Lord ; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord .
Notice at the end, "for all that they have done"...that's physical Israel not us.
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eternally-gratefull
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I have to go, have some people from church over for fellowship and fun. Look forward to seeing what people say.
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eternally-gratefull
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This is what would have to happen
Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJVS
[35] Thus saith the Lord , which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: [36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord , then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. [37] Thus saith the Lord ; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord .
Notice at the end, "for all that they have done"...that's physical Israel not us.
you still haven't got it have you? LOL
Physical Israel still continues in the true church of true believers. They ARE physical Israel. And they are continuing as He promised
The true remnant of Israel DID repent when Christ came. There are no promises of Israelite repentance after that, only offers to individuals who respond to the Messiah
only if you ignore God's Word like you just did with jeremiah 31.
Look the question was what would make you change your view of eschatology...I gave it. I need not get wound up in the same old tired debate.
What matters is how you interpret 1000 years, Does God stop blessing after 30,000 years? Most Christians think a biblical generation is 40 years (not my point, but...just to say).. If you take the bible as literally as you say you do, then the period of time in which Israel is blessed is limited to a 30 thousand years. If this so, then is your future millennium more then 1000 years, for we know Israel has not been in existence for longer then approximately 1500 years, a relatively small time compared to a 30,000/40,000 years (even if you say a generation equals 12 or 15 years).
It makes quite clear that the promises to Abraham were fulfilled according to his expectation in terms of the heavenly country. Thats the first lesson you need to learn.
It tells us that the true Jerusalem is now in Heaven (Gal 4.20 ff; Heb 12.20-22) The old Jerusalem is for those bound in bondage by the Law. Thus there can be no Jerusalem acceptable to God on earth.
Lessons 1 & 2 LOL. Once you have learned those I will give you more examples.
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I prefer to believe in the Bible. That is the only miracle God has needed to work in me. I measure all other writings against that including Scofield and his Dispensationalist conjectures which I believe are heretical. Others have different ideas
but that's their choice.
I took God's word in Jeremiah LITERALLY and showed that it had been fulfilled in the present true nation of Israel . Its you who ignore God's word and avoid its true implications
I'd be interested in how you can be pre-mill and not a dispensationalist. Pre-mill states Christ will remove the church for 7 years (7 years tribulation is a dispensation) followed by a semi-golden age with Christ ruling on earth (another dispensation). Please explain.
I think premil just means that Christ will return before the millennium. That's as far as I take it. I don't believe the dispensationalist interpretations.
LOL, I whole heartedly agree. However, in our case, conviction may not come until we meet Christ face to face.
Ok, yes, sometimes I can get pre-millers and pre-tribers compiled into the same camp.
My next question to you is what will the millennium be like in your view? Semi-Golden age? Animal sacrifices? Christ physically in Judah ruling the world?
Oh I am sure we will all adjust our theologies when we meet the Lord face to face....
The way I see it now (subject to change of course), the millennium will start off with a world (not earth) completely destroyed by nuclear holocaust (and other things). There will be survivors who will have to deal with a highly irradiated world. Christ and his people will be on the earth healing humanity and restoring the knowledge of GOD for 1000 years. As the knowledge of GOD increases, lifespans will increase. Revelation mentions the encampment of the holy ones (which I assume is the location of Jerusalem or Israel), which sounds temporary to me. I don't know if Christ will be on earth, or somewhere above, dispatching his servants to heal the earth. Then a final rebellion after 1000 years, utter destruction of the wicked, and the return of paradise to earth.