Remarriage Bibically

[iwant2serve]

It is my understanding that the divorce taking place at the time were these written certificates by the husband to the wife. I remember hearing that in church once but I do not know where to find the information.

What I heard was that men on a whim who did not want their wife were writing them a certificate. It was not lawful or legal.

No one is touching the subject about a married believer and unbeliever living in peace. The word says they may part ways if they cannot live in peace. Peace is not a lack of war necessarily but something with harmony. This may also be a cause of divorce.

Can someone confirm or debunk what I have said first here? I will look into it more as well.

We are told not to marry a unbeliever therefor the passage in 1 cor 7 is talking about one becoming a believer after marriage. If the unbeliever want to leave they are to be allowed to leave. This to me does not mean the believer is free to marry. The bondage I believe is about the two different life styles pulling in different directions, therefore the being called to peace is the believer is free to live with the peace of God as a single person. However some to take the stance that they become free to marry because of the wording bondage and free but the bible says a wife id bound to her husband as long as he lives. This would not imply bondage but togetherness as they are bound together as one flesh as long as the unbelieving spouse is alive.

 

[NikkiK]

I do not believe the unequally yoked scripture is talking about marriage and is taken out of context. People of that time had arranged marriages and I am surely sure that there were marriages made this way.

 

[NikkiK]

Nikki the first part of your post is referring to Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:3-10, or Mark 10:2-12. It sounds like you are working without an exhaustive concordance; you can find one online through Google.

Yes I do not use a concordance I just have that Study Bible with a small concordance with notes..

 

[NikkiK]

I do not believe the unequally yoked scripture is talking about marriage and is taken out of context. People of that time had arranged marriages and I am surely sure that there were marriages made this way.

Let me rephrase as it is sound advice not to marry outside of the Christian faith but I understand Paul was talking about something going on in that church and not marriage.


That would make marrying a non believer a sin or null?

 

[NikkiK]

I've been following this thread since it opened and have not said much. I am not sure what the OP is looking to get out of it. However it appears that many (and some not) people are looking to keep others under bondage for their own interpretations and convictions. This is how Christianity seems to be played out many times by some... Just an opinion of mine and I know it's not popular.

 

[Dude653]

I belief abuse is grounds for divorce. A man vows to honor cherish his wife. Abuse is a violation of this vow. In my case, my wife was widowed so she was no longer obligated her husband.

 

[bikerchaz]

Wow this thread is really messy, and I am a little disappointed that some only seem to want to argue a point.
iwant2serve I am persuaded buy the Spirit you know the answer already. Jesus words Matthew 5:32 - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. He also said "heaven and earth will pass away but my words will in no wise pass away".
There is no argument. We forget sometimes what we have been promised if we hang on "More than you can think or imagine", that is powerful stuff, I can think and imagine a lot.
It has saddened me over the years to see Spirit led people clime out of the safety net of Christ Jesus because they cant control their lusts, and I praise God He has held me firm "lest my foot should slip" and there have been times when the ground has been a bit slippy.
I want my crown!!

 

[iwant2serve]

I belief abuse is grounds for divorce. A man vows to honor cherish his wife. Abuse is a violation of this vow. In my case, my wife was widowed so she was no longer obligated her husband.

Abuse may be grounds for a divorce and addictions may be also but the Bible only gives two reasons for that says you are free from the bond of the marriage. That is fornication (sexual immorality) and death.

 

[DiscipleDave]

When a person gets married and says this vow to God.
"For better or worse, till death do us part"
That is a vow to God, not to be broken, seek not a divorce. Let your yes be yes and your no, no. If you make a vow to live with your spouse for better or worse till death do you part, then Keep your vow to God.

Know you not that it is written you become ONE with another when you have sex with them, joining two to make ONE.

1Co_6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

So then if you are married and you have sex with someone other than your spouse, you have become ONE with the Other, this is grounds for your spouse to divorce, and be free to marry someone else. The one who commits adultery is not to ever remarry again, unless that one is reconciled back to their spouse. Also anyone who marries that person who has broken the vow, and committed adultery, commits adultery. If you marry an Adulterer, you become one yourself, because you become ONE with that Adulterer.

^i^

 

[shotgunner]

Yes, all other sin can be forgiven except divorce.

 

[NewEagle]

And yet in the OT, Jeremiah 3:8 God divorced Israel.

"And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."

God left open a door for repentance for Israel, even AFTER God divorced Israel.

Repentance brings forgiveness. God forgave Israel. He brought Jesus for Israel and all of us.

 

[Dino246]

If the unbeliever want to leave they are to be allowed to leave. This to me does not mean the believer is free to marry. The bondage I believe is about the two different life styles pulling in different directions, therefore the being called to peace is the believer is free to live with the peace of God as a single person.

The passage does not say that the unbeliever is "allowed to leave". It says, "But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so." It speaks to the believer, not to the unbeliever.

Your interpretation of what the bondage represents is simply that: your opinion. There isn't anything in that passage about lifestyles in conflict. That leaves us with one meaning for "bound": bound to the marriage, which is the context of the verse. As to whether the person is free to remarry, one is either bound, or not bound. Scripture gives no halfway measures for this.

Death of one's spouse is the only crystal-clear scriptural warrant for remarrying; adultery and abandonment are debatable, and I don't suspect that any one of us will convince any other; that is the job of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Goodness11]

I belief abuse is grounds for divorce. A man vows to honor cherish his wife. Abuse is a violation of this vow. In my case, my wife was widowed so she was no longer obligated her husband.

I completely agree with you! Also we have to consider if there's child abuse or in the man/woman is wicked with demons!? But I think that demonstrates to marry a Christian. I still stand firm that God will give you direct permission through the Holy Spirit and give you affirming signs to stay or leave.

 

[iwant2serve]

The Scripture says bondage which is not the same as bond. Marriage is a bond of man and woman becoming one. Also the unbeliever can leave if they choose to according to scripture. If you know of anyone who has a unbelieving spouse it can be a bondage.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Yes, all other sin can be forgiven except divorce.

Ummm . . . . My Bible says that ALL sin can be forgiven except for blasphemy of the holy Spirit . . . .

Matt. 12:31,32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mark 3:28,29; Luke 12:10)

 

[shotgunner]

Originally Posted by shotgunner

Yes, all other sin can be forgiven except divorce.

Ummm . . . . My Bible says that ALL sin can be forgiven except for blasphemy of the holy Spirit . . . .

Matt. 12:31,32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mark 3:28,29; Luke 12:10)

It was a statement meant as sarcasm. Hopefully to point out how obstinate some can be concerning divorce and remarriage.



I actually knew a minister who had been divorced. He was a wonderful Godly man who visited a lot of jails and nursing homes. I felt very sorry for him in one area. He had been divorced for several years due to no fault of his own. He had tried very hard to save and then reconcile his marriage. He later met a very nice woman and was in a relationship with her for several years. He couldn't marry her because his denomination would have annulled his license if he remarried. Apparently they had no problem with his unmarried relationship as long as he was discrete about it.

To me that was the worst kind of bondage where his church doctrine actually encouraged sin to the point where he was doomed to the choice of being alone the rest of his life or being kicked out of his church and his ministry.

 

[iwant2serve]

Never said Divorce was not forgivable, neither did I say adultery was not forgivable. The problem is if Jesus says remarriage after divorce where no fornication was committed how can there be forgiveness if you stay in the marriage? What are you asking for forgiveness for the divorce or the adultery? If you are asking for the adultery how then can you continue with the marriage laying with each other?

 

[shotgunner]

Never said Divorce was not forgivable, neither did I say adultery was not forgivable. The problem is if Jesus says remarriage after divorce where no fornication was committed how can there be forgiveness if you stay in the marriage? What are you asking for forgiveness for the divorce or the adultery? If you are asking for the adultery how then can you continue with the marriage laying with each other?

By that same logic murder could never be forgiven unless you could bring the deceased back from the grave. Some things can't be fixed, but they can be forgiven.

Does the remarried person ever want to divorce again? If the answer is no then they are forgiven for whatever caused the divorce to begin with.


Jesus said that to marry a person divorced unjustly would be adultery. He said this because if there is no valid reason for divorce then the marriage is still intact and to marry again would be adultery. The fact though is that as soon as the unjustly divorced person started another relationship there would be just grounds for divorce.

Jesus spoke these words to a group of Pharisees that would divorce and remarry like we change the oil in our car today. Jesus was addressing that particular sin. You cannot apply his correction of them to people who never wanted to be divorced to begin with and tried all they could to save their marriage.

 

[ladylynn]

I speak unfortunately from the standpoint of someone who has been divorced and knows the heartache and ruin that comes from this situation of the broken covenant of marriage. I have always disagreed with Iwant2serve and other Christians who sincerely believe you can never remarry and must stay a lone the rest of your life. I have been under those kinds of ministers and ministries and there was no true forgiveness or moving on there., you will always and hence forth will be known as a divorced person and it will follow you as you seek to be involved in church and when you make friends or get involved in Bible studies etc.... The 'sin' of divorce keeps on giving and it never ends.

All sin is forgiven and God restores us daily I've since learned. His forgiveness and grace also restores. No one who has sinned is un-restorable when they are in Christ. I know many Christians who have re married and have been joyfully and happily married for many years and God has indeed forgiven them and restored them to family and relationships to begin a new. These believers have established new families and honored God and have children and grandchildren. As insane as it sounds., sincere believers like iwant2serve would say for these restored husbands and wives to divorce your current husband or wife and both should either seek to be restored to your 1st spouse or be alone. (should you be reading these CC threads)

And this is because they believe God has considered your remarriage a sin and all the times thereafter you have been living in adultery. And to consider all the times you were a family having children and now grandchildren to be all under sin and adultery and all the kids are not really from a true married union in God's eyes. To them, God is looking down on you and yours as an off shoot of an adulterous union.

This is truly a humanistic religious-logical way of looking at God without true grace given to us IN Christ. Who can understand the depth of what Jesus did on the cross for us??? I would say it is those who HAVE BEEN AND ARE forgiven and moved on IN Christ and His restorative power to come out of the pit and back on to high ground again paved by Jesus Himself. Our sins have been put away as far as the east is from the west. God has forgiven and forgotten and so must we.

Of course each believer must be convicted of such AMAZING GRACE in their own lives. For unless you DO understand it and claim it as yours, you would not dare to trust and walk in His grace. Do not allow anyone to take away the gift Jesus has provided for you. The marriage verses have been put up and many of us have failed in all of them. Thank God that IN His Son Jesus, we have been and are daily BEING transformed and renewed and forgiven and admonished NOT to look back, but to move forward. The letter kills., it truly does and it will without the Spirit and Grace.

2 Corinthians 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of the new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Philippians 3:13-14 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do; forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead.
14. I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. NAS

But I also like Amplified version and KJ versions of Philippians 3:13-14

I do not consider, brethren that I have captured and made it my own (yet) but one thing I do (it is my one aspiration) forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,

14. I press on toward the goal to win the (supreme and heavenly ) prize to which God in Christ Jesus is calling us upward.

This truth is not only for marriage failures but any sin we have been through and have gotten out of. We are no longer to be in bondage and guilt. Jesus has paid for our acquittal. Don't let His grace go to waste in your daily lives. Take hold of it and walk in it. The joy of the Lord is our strength.

 

[iwant2serve]

By that same logic murder could never be forgiven unless you could bring the deceased back from the grave. Some things can't be fixed, but they can be forgiven.

Does the remarried person ever want to divorce again? If the answer is no then they are forgiven for whatever caused the divorce to begin with.


Jesus said that to marry a person divorced unjustly would be adultery. He said this because if there is no valid reason for divorce then the marriage is still intact and to marry again would be adultery. The fact though is that as soon as the unjustly divorced person started another relationship there would be just grounds for divorce.

Jesus spoke these words to a group of Pharisees that would divorce and remarry like we change the oil in our car today. Jesus was addressing that particular sin. You cannot apply his correction of them to people who never wanted to be divorced to begin with and tried all they could to save their marriage.

Jesus gave one reason for divorce ant that is fornication period. Then he said who ever married a divorced women commits adultery. The thing is we want to rearrange what God said to fit our human emotions then say its ok. That would be no different then in the sacrifice given was not to the standards God said. It is not a valid marriage if God said its adultery. So when did God say something was not acceptable to him and later said its now acceptable?