Questions about hunting

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blue_ladybug said:
Yes, Grandpa, I understand your POV as a hunter. But I'm not talking about proving how good a hunter a person might be. I'm talking about the ones who do it purely for the heck of it, just to boast and brag about it, and add a bear shag rug to their floor or an animal head on their wall, all just to show what a good shot they are. Someone wants to hunt, that's their choice. But I don't undestand the concept of killing an animal just for kicks..
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BLB I am a non-hunter but hunting does serve a purpose in a controlled environment (even if it is for "the fun" of it)
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
I agree. Hunting may seem cruel to non-hunters but it does serve a purpose.
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I think it only seems cruel because people don't think about what happens in a slaughterhouse.

Hunting is much more personal.

Eating meat that you didn't kill is very impersonal.
 
blue_ladybug said:
I have no doubt that it does. But what possible purpose does trophy hunting have, if it's only to boast and brag?
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I understand your frustration but I can only answer this from an Africa perspective and the thing is when people do trophy hunting the meat of the animal is used for eating and serve a purpose. Everything is utilised. I know it seems cruel but to provide food and money for the poor people does serve a purpose.

I will reiterate that it must be in a controlled environment.
 
Grandpa said:
I think it only seems cruel because people don't think about what happens in a slaughterhouse.

Hunting is much more personal.

Eating meat that you didn't kill is very impersonal.
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LOL, you will motivate people not to eat meat at all ;)
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
I understand your frustration but I can only answer this from an Africa perspective and the thing is when people do trophy hunting the meat of the animal is used for eating and serve a purpose. Everything is utilised. I know it seems cruel but to provide food and money for the poor people does serve a purpose.

I will reiterate that it must be in a controlled environment.
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I talked with people who go to different countries to hunt and they say you mostly can't bring the meat back.

They say the meat goes to the people who live there.

And of course the money for the guide and supplies and housing goes to the community as well.

So all the hunter can legally bring back is the trophy...
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
I understand your frustration but I can only answer this from an Africa perspective and the thing is when people do trophy hunting the meat of the animal is used for eating and serve a purpose. Everything is utilised. I know it seems cruel but to provide food and money for the poor people does serve a purpose.

I will reiterate that it must be in a controlled environment.
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Now see, your answer makes sense. :) As long as it's all utilized and feeding people, then it's justified. It's the unjustified killing for kicks that I have a problem with.
 
Grandpa said:
I talked with people who go to different countries to hunt and they say you mostly can't bring the meat back.

They say the meat goes to the people who live there.

And of course the money for the guide and supplies and housing goes to the community as well.

So all the hunter can legally bring back is the trophy...
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True and correct
 
More flavor than jerky?

I love jerky and summer sausage and meat sticks...

I bet I would like biltong as well.
 
Grandpa, one of my clients is a volunteer in a Pilansberg Game Reserve. They basically dress up in camo and stay in the bush for up to 5 days between all the wild animals and hunt the rhino poachers. The stories I have heard from this guy is amazing...
 
Grandpa said:
What about Cain and Abel???

They were among the very first inhabitants.

This is at the very beginning of the bible.

Abel tended sheep. For food. He killed them and offered them up to God for a sacrifice.

Cain tilled the ground. For food. He picked the plants and offered them up to God for a sacrifice.


I don't understand how anyone would think that the first inhabitants were not meat eaters? It would be like growing vegetables but telling everyone you don't eat vegetables.
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what about them?

it wasn't the meat sacrificed as has been said

it was a heart issue and frankly I see some heart issues in this thread...people trying to change what someone has posted in order to justify getting angry or bringing up things that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand

BTW, I don't mean you with regards to the last

many biblical scholars contend that people did not eat meat prior to the flood because of what God said to Noah after the flood HERE

I was basing my response on that

with regards to using the vision that Peter had as a provisio for hunting and killing...that's utterly ridiculous...it was a metaphor for gentile salvation...NOT food

however, I do believe there are no restrictions on what we eat currently in place
 
Grandpa said:
What people don't understand about trophy hunting is the skill involved with hunting and killing one.

It takes several years of life for an animal to become a trophy. Each year that trophy gets smarter and smarter. It is hunted and escapes this hunting pressure each year.

The whole reason to hunt at all is to get better at it, as well. If it were just about getting meat then we could just go to the store and get it. If you want to prove to yourself, and anyone else, that you are a good hunter and you know what you are doing then you trophy hunt. You don't let any of the animal go to waste afterwards. But you hone your skill by taking the biggest, smartest animals.

People who are against hunting don't understand that this is an ESSENTIAL skill that every man should have. Its a lot more than just having a rifle and some ammo and hiking up into the mountains to go get meat. Every animal up there has a survival instinct just like you do. Every animal up there has keener senses than you. They see you, smell you, and hear you long before you ever know they are there. They know the terrain much better than you. The only time they start getting a little bit dumb is during the rut... Remember when you were 16-20yrs old... Dumb like that... lol

Even if you still don't understand any of this and you are still against it, I hope you at least understand my point of view, as a hunter. And wouldn't attempt to take it away. Its an essential right. Just like self-defense is an essential right. Even if you don't understand it.
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I don't believe that at all as I have already made clear

Trophy hunting is about ego and killing for sport is inhumane

I figure if someone is going to do these things, no amount of reasoning will change their stance and vice versa quite frankly

Again, I am against hunting for sport...I have stated from the get go that if you eat what you kill, while I don't care for hunting myself, that is a different story

As far as essential rights go? that means I have an essential right to completely object to blood sports, right?

not that anyone here cares most likely, but I would not value those qualities in a man...I would not consider being with someone who hunts for sport or kills for fun

however, no need to worry on that one because my husband and I agree on this issue...you know, I have spent alot of time in the woods growing up with my dad...and we had animals come up to us...don't think animals don't know anything about humans...I find that folks who kill for sport have somehow categorized animals as brainless meat objects...perhaps to soothe their conscience...I don't know
 
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