Re: Even more clinic...
John is clearly attempting to worship an angel, in the same exact manner as he would Jesus, in each of these two accounts, via the usage of ‘proskynēsai’, as thus…
And I fell before his feet to worship (proskynēsai) him, but he said to me, Behold! Stop! I am a fellow-slave of yours, and of your brothers, having the testimony of Jesus. Worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19.10)
I, John, wasthe oneseeing and hearingthese things. And when I heard andsaw, I fell down to worship (proskynēsai) before the feet of the angel showing me these things. And he said to me,Behold! Stop!For I am yourfellow-slave, and of your brothers the prophets,and of the ones keeping the Words of this Book.Do worship to God. (Rev 22.8 – 9)
Observe that the only other usage of the term ‘proskynēsai’, in the entire NT, is here…
And when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men arrived from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is He born King of the Jews?For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship (proskynēsai)Him. (Mat 2.1 – 2)
As we can clearly see, ‘proskynēsai’ is worship, pure and simple.
More importantly, it is worship directed towards Jesus, Himself!
Thus…we have proof positive that John thought the angel was Jesus…simply more evidence that Jesus was often referred to as a Messenger.
:smoke: my goodness the taranta (d0) would :rofl:
And we cannot stop him when he start to
:blush: Excuse me sir bowman but you had been decieved . ...
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Hebrews 1:1
In many and various drakhim (ways) Hashem in amolike times (olden times) spoke to the Avot by the Nevi'im.
2*At the Ketz HaYamim Hashem spoke to us by HaBen, whom He appointed Bechor of the Bechorah, Yoresh Kol (Heir of All Things), through whom also Hashem barah es HaShomayim v'es HaAretz;
3*who being the Shekhinah zohar (brilliance) of Hashem and the exact impress and demut of Hashem's essential nature, being, and reality, and sustaining everything by His dvar haKo'ach, after He made tihur (purification) of chata'im (sins), sat down at LIMIN ("the right hand"--Tehillim 110:1) of the Majesty on High.
4*He had become as much superior to the malachim as ha-Shem (the Name) Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach has inherited is more fest (excellent) than theirs.
THE CHOCHMAH HASHOMAYIM, THE CHOCHMAH-BEN HAELOHIM REBBE, MELECH HAMOSHIACH (MISHLE 8:30; 30:4) IS SUPERIOR TO MALACHIM; THE RABBI BRINGS DOWN A NUMBER OF CITATIONS TO SUPPORT HIS CHIDUSHIM (POINTS)
5*For to which of the malachim did Hashem ever say, "BENI ATAH, ANI HAYOM YELIDTICHA," ("My Son you are; Today I have become your Father." Tehillim 2:7)? And again, "ANI EH'H'YEH LO L'AV V'HU YIHEYEH LI L'BEN" "I will be to Him a Father and He will be to Me as a Son" Shmuel Bais 7:14)?
6*And again, when Hashem brings HaBechor into the Olam Hazeh, He says, "Let all Hashem's malachim worship him." [Devarim 32:43 Targum Ha-Shivim (Septuagint)]
7*And of the malachim, Hashem says "OSEH MALAKHAV RUCHOT MESHARTAV AISH L'HET" ("He makes his angels winds and his servants [ministering angels] flaming fire." Tehillim 104:4)
8*And Hashem says to HaBen, "KIS'AHCHA ELOHIM OLAM VAED SHEVET MISHOR SHEVET MALKHUTECHA" ("Your throne, G-d, will endure for ever and ever, and the scepter of justice is the scepter of the your kingdom"--Tehillim 45:7)
9*"AHAVTA TZEDEK VATISNA RE'SHA, AL KEN MESHAKHACHA ELOHIM, ELOHECHA SHEMEN SASON MECHAVERECHA" ("You loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; on account of this G-d, your G-d, anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions"--Tehillim 45:8)
10*and "Atah Adonoy LEFANIM HA'ARETZ YASADETA UMA'ASEH YADECHA SHOMAYIM; HEMMAH YOVEDU V'ATAH TA'AMOD V'KHULAM KABEGED YIVLU KALVUSH TACHALIFEM V'YACHLOFU V'ATAH HU USHENOTECHA LO YITAMU" ("You L-rd in the beginning founded the earth and the heavens the work of your hands;
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:now: and again from another version
it says like this . ...
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Hebrews: 1. 2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6. And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
~:» KJV version
:yawn: a living testimony of yours that also happend since the creation of man
Before humans learned that its too late for them to bring back
What is loss that cannot be brought back by any angels
``Created by our lord god the father who is good and doesnt lie``
And without his father's decision
Even our lord god the only begotten son christ jesus
Doesn't have an authourity in what is going to happen
in time . ...
God bless us all always and repent from our mistakes . ...
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