Is the Devil bound right now...?

[VCO]

Re: Clinic time...

You're backpedaling, again.

By your very own admission, John should have known the difference between a mere angel and God.....and yet, John attempts to worship a mere angel, not once, but twice!

What is wrong with John?

He should know better than this.

This means that John knew that Jesus was a Messenger, otherwise why attempt worship in the first place?

What this tells us is that while John knew that Jesus was a Messenger, he was not always certain if the Messenger was God, or merely an angel of the created order.

You seem to be likewise confused....

Quite frankly Bowman, I think you are full of mud, and this changing of the meaning of words to make it say what you want it to, is getting quite boring. You expect us to believe aLL of the Theologians that did the translating of almost all of the English Translations made the exact same error, and YOU ALONE GOT IT RIGHT. To use a phrase that my granddaughter used to use. . . . . . .
NOT !

 

[Bowman]

I have NEWS for you, the power of death is only one of many powers that Satan has; and he will come to the PEAK OF HIS POWER IN THE FORM OF ANTICHRIST.

Daniel 8:23-26 (GW)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] “In the last days of those kingdoms, when rebellions are finished, a stern-looking king who understands mysterious things will rise to power.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] He will become very strong, but not by his own strength. He will cause astounding destruction and will be successful in everything he does. He will destroy those who are powerful along with some holy people.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] He will cleverly use his power to deceive others successfully. He will consider himself to be great and destroy many people when they don't expect it. He will oppose the Commander of Commanders, but he will be defeated, though not by any human power.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] The vision about the {2,300} evenings and mornings that was explained to you is true. Seal the vision, because it is about things that will happen in the distant future.”

Satan has been rendered impotent at The Cross.

Demons are the only evil-doers in the world today.

Remember that our battle is not with flesh and blood - but with demons...

 

[Bowman]

Texts dealing with Satan Bound:
Matt 12:29, Mk 3:22-27, Lk 10:17-19, Luke 12:29, Acts 2:27 , Heb 2:14-17, Ps 16:8-11, Jn 12:30-32 , Eph 4:8-9, Col 2:13-15, Isaiah 49:24, Rev 1:18, Rev 20:3.


As well as any text or context that refers to the resurrection of Christ. It is the defeat of death by His resurrection that binds Satan, taking away his power over death. Death is ONLY defeated if Christ arises from death. Simply dying does not end death. Texts such as Heb 2:9; I Tim 1:10; I Cor 15:12-22, 52-54; Acts 24:15, I John 3:8, John 6:39, II Cor 5:18-19, Rom 5:18, No man will ever suffer permanent death through Satan since Christ defeated death.
The binding of Satan has nothing to do with his activity here on earth as so many seem to claim.

Please detail to us where Jesus supposedly visited people in hell...

 

[Bowman]

Re: Clinic time...

Quite frankly Bowman, I think you are full of mud, and this changing of the meaning of words to make it say what you want it to, is getting quite boring. You expect us to believe aLL of the Theologians that did the translating of almost all of the English Translations made the exact same error, and YOU ALONE GOT IT RIGHT. To use a phrase that my granddaughter used to use. . . . . . .
NOT !

You are the one holding a minority view.

My position is fully backed by scripture and verifiable, as I have amply shown.

You are too lazy to look...

 

[Ahwatukee]

Re: Clinic time...

By your very own admission, John should have known the difference between a mere angel and God.....and yet, John attempts to worship a mere angel, not once, but twice!

What is wrong with John?

He should know better than this.

What Bowman is sidestepping is the fact that John states right in the verse that he bowed down knowing that it was a heavenly being and not Christ, which demonstrates that he knew that he was bowing to an angel and that because he was in awe and overwhelmed at the information that the angel had been showing him. But of course Bowman tries to use his magic wand again to make the angel out to be Christ.

"I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.”
Furthermore, we are told right in the beginning of Revelation that

The messenger, as Bowman likes to call him, is a heavenly messenger, a heavenly being who is not Christ. If the angel was Christ, then when John bowed down to him, Jesus wouldn't have told him not to bow down to him, but would have received the worship being that he is God just like he did in chapter one. Therefore, it is Bowman who is very confused!

 

[VCO]

New International Version
and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.

New Living Translation
But even though my condition tempted you to reject me, you did not despise me or turn me away. No, you took me in and cared for me as though I were an angel from God or even Christ Jesus himself.

English Standard Version
and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus.

Berean Study Bible
And although my illness was a trial to you, you did not despise me or reject me. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.

Berean Literal Bible
And of your test in my flesh, you did not despise me nor reject me with contempt, but you received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
and that which was a trial to you in my bodily condition you did not despise or loathe, but you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.

King James Bible
And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
You did not despise or reject me though my physical condition was a trial for you. On the contrary, you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.

International Standard Version
Even though my condition put you to the test, you did not despise or reject me. On the contrary, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, or as if I were the Messiah Jesus.

NET Bible
and though my physical condition put you to the test, you did not despise or reject me. Instead, you welcomed me as though I were an angel of God, as though I were Christ Jesus himself!

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And you did not ridicule, neither did you loathe the trial of my flesh, but you received me as an Angel of God and as Yeshua The Messiah.

New American Standard 1977
and that which was a trial to you in my bodily condition you did not despise or loathe, but you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And my affliction which was in my flesh ye did not despise, nor reject but ye received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

King James 2000 Bible
And my trial which was in my flesh you despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

American King James Version
And my temptation which was in my flesh you despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

American Standard Version
and that which was a temptation to you in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but ye received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Douay-Rheims Bible
You despised not, nor rejected: but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Darby Bible Translation
and my temptation, which [was] in my flesh, ye did not slight nor reject with contempt; but ye received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus.

English Revised Version
and that which was a temptation to you in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but ye received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Webster's Bible Translation
And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Weymouth New Testament
and yet the bodily infirmity which was such a trial to you, you did not regard with contempt or loathing, but you received me as if I had been an angel of God or Christ Jesus Himself!

World English Bible
That which was a temptation to you in my flesh, you didn't despise nor reject; but you received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

an angel from God or even Christ Jesus himself.


Bowman now you shock me, because I thought you were smarter than that. Nowhere in that verse does is say that JESUS is also known as the messenger angel. GOOD GRIEF, you just made a Junior High error in interpretation:

Galatians 4:14 (ISV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even though my condition put you to the test, you didn't despise or reject me. On the contrary, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as Christ Jesus himself.
Galatians 4:15 (ISV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What happened to your positive attitude? For I testify that if it had been possible, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me.

THE CONTEXT CLEARLY SHOWS US THAT PAUL IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ATTITUDE BY WHICH THEY HAD ORIGINALLY WELCOMED HIM.

ALL PAUL IS SAYING IS DESPITE MY PAST YOU WELCOMED ME AS EAGERLY AS YOU WOULD AN ANGEL OF GOD OR AS YOU WOULD CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF. READ THE CONTEXT, IS RULE #1.

That is Second worst manipulation of the Text to make it say what it does not say that I have ever seen.

The WORST example of manipulative interpretation that I have ever seen was the guy that CLAIMED there was hidden wisdom in the Bible where GOD was forbidding women from wearing their hair in a "top knot" bun.

Then he proceeded to tell everyone that the hidden wisdom was in this verse:

Mark 13:15 (YLT)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and he upon the house-top, let him not come down to the house, nor come in to take anything out of his house;

 

[Ahwatukee]

Re: Clinic time...

Quite frankly Bowman, I think you are full of mud, and this changing of the meaning of words to make it say what you want it to, is getting quite boring. You expect us to believe aLL of the Theologians that did the translating of almost all of the English Translations made the exact same error, and YOU ALONE GOT IT RIGHT. To use a phrase that my granddaughter used to use. . . . . . .
NOT !

Furthermore, right in the very first chapter of Revelation we are told that God the Father gave these Revelations to Christ, who in turn sent his angel to his servant John to show him the things that must soon take place. Ergo, none of the angels are in reference to Christ, but to heavenly beings. Furthermore, that angel of Rev.20:1 is also another angel who is not Christ. They just make up as they go, assigning designations where there is no scriptural proof.


"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw"

 

[VCO]

Re: Clinic time...

You are the one holding a minority view.

My position is fully backed by scripture and verifiable, as I have amply shown.

You are too lazy to look...

LOL, ROFL. YET ANOTHER JUNIOR HIGH OPINION, based on PURELY IGNORING reading the context, and then mis-interpretting.

Son, (65 going on 14) your view is the EXTREME MINORITY VIEW. Your EGO must be super inflated.

 

[Cassian]

Please detail to us where Jesus supposedly visited people in hell...

He didn't. He decended into Hades, often interchanged but two distinct names and places. The texts of the Gospels specifically refer to it.

 

[VCO]

Please detail to us where Jesus supposedly visited people in hell...

Bowman, No One is Hell yet.

A huge MULTITUDE of people are in the torment of Hades.

Hades is a place of Torment for Disembodied spirits of unbelievers.

The Lake of Fire is Hell.


The secret to understanding is STILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE, you must first become Born Again, to have spiritual understanding.

I will try to explain, but I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IF YOU WILL COME CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING.

Psalm 68:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

Ephesians 4:8 (NRSV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Therefore it is said, "When he ascended on high he made captivity itself a captive; he gave gifts to his people."

That phrase "led captivity captive" was a NORMAL part of a Conqueror's VICTORY PARADE after defeating an enemy.

Captivity is where and by whom our prisoners of war were being held. THUS, the Conqueror would go to where the POWs were being held and release the POWs and in turn would take those captive who were holding the Conqueror's POWs and march them in HIS VICTORY PARADE ALL THE WAY HOME, with cheering crowds in every village.

Hosea 13:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I will ransom them from the power of Sheol.
I will redeem them from death.
Death, where are your barbs?
Sheol, where is your sting?
Compassion is hidden from My eyes.

1 Corinthians 15:51-57 (NIV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
[SUP]55 [/SUP] "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"
[SUP]56 [/SUP] The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP] But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Victory is OURS, even though reality of it's physical fulfillment is YET TO COME!
He even went and proclaimed HIS VICTORY to the demons from the time of NOAH, whom are imprisoned in the Abyss, who had tried so hard to pollute the human race so that Messiah could not come from a virgin woman as prophesied .

1 Peter 3:18-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] In that state He also went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison
[SUP]20 [/SUP] who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while an ark was being prepared. In it a few—that is, eight people—were saved through water.

 

[Bowman]

Even more clinic...

What Bowman is sidestepping is the fact that John states right in the verse that he bowed down knowing that it was a heavenly being and not Christ, which demonstrates that he knew that he was bowing to an angel and that because he was in awe and overwhelmed at the information that the angel had been showing him. But of course Bowman tries to use his magic wand again to make the angel out to be Christ.

"I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.”
Furthermore, we are told right in the beginning of Revelation that

The messenger, as Bowman likes to call him, is a heavenly messenger, a heavenly being who is not Christ. If the angel was Christ, then when John bowed down to him, Jesus wouldn't have told him not to bow down to him, but would have received the worship being that he is God just like he did in chapter one. Therefore, it is Bowman who is very confused!

John is clearly attempting to worship an angel, in the same exact manner as he would Jesus, in each of these two accounts, via the usage of ‘proskynēsai’, as thus…


And I fell before his feet to worship (proskynēsai) him, but he said to me, Behold! Stop! I am a fellow-slave of yours, and of your brothers, having the testimony of Jesus. Worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19.10)


I, John, wasthe oneseeing and hearingthese things. And when I heard andsaw, I fell down to worship (proskynēsai) before the feet of the angel showing me these things. And he said to me,Behold! Stop!For I am yourfellow-slave, and of your brothers the prophets,and of the ones keeping the Words of this Book.Do worship to God. (Rev 22.8 – 9)




Observe that the only other usage of the term ‘proskynēsai’, in the entire NT, is here…


And when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men arrived from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is He born King of the Jews?For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship (proskynēsai)Him. (Mat 2.1 – 2)




As we can clearly see, ‘proskynēsai’ is worship, pure and simple.

More importantly, it is worship directed towards Jesus, Himself!

Thus…we have proof positive that John thought the angel was Jesus…simply more evidence that Jesus was often referred to as a Messenger.

 

[Bowman]

Clinic...

an angel from God or even Christ Jesus himself.


Bowman now you shock me, because I thought you were smarter than that. Nowhere in that verse does is say that JESUS is also known as the messenger angel. GOOD GRIEF, you just made a Junior High error in interpretation:

Galatians 4:14 (ISV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even though my condition put you to the test, you didn't despise or reject me. On the contrary, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as Christ Jesus himself.
Galatians 4:15 (ISV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What happened to your positive attitude? For I testify that if it had been possible, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me.

THE CONTEXT CLEARLY SHOWS US THAT PAUL IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ATTITUDE BY WHICH THEY HAD ORIGINALLY WELCOMED HIM.

ALL PAUL IS SAYING IS DESPITE MY PAST YOU WELCOMED ME AS EAGERLY AS YOU WOULD AN ANGEL OF GOD OR AS YOU WOULD CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF. READ THE CONTEXT, IS RULE #1.

That is Second worst manipulation of the Text to make it say what it does not say that I have ever seen.

The WORST example of manipulative interpretation that I have ever seen was the guy that CLAIMED there was hidden wisdom in the Bible where GOD was forbidding women from wearing their hair in a "top knot" bun.

Then he proceeded to tell everyone that the hidden wisdom was in this verse:

Mark 13:15 (YLT)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and he upon the house-top, let him not come down to the house, nor come in to take anything out of his house;

The word 'or' does not even appear in the Greek of this passage...as you had to desperately search for one rendering that artificially inserted the term to the opposition of the 99% that did not.

Grammatically, angel and Jesus Christ are treated as the same referent.

 

[Bowman]

He didn't. He decended into Hades, often interchanged but two distinct names and places. The texts of the Gospels specifically refer to it.

Then show us SCRIPTURALLY that He did.

Simple.

 

[Bowman]

Then show us SCRIPTURALLY that He did.

Simple.

Cassian...

 

[Cassian]

Then show us SCRIPTURALLY that He did.

Simple.

Again, I have already done this a very long time back in this thread. It does not align with your interpretation so you dismiss it. When it is stated again, you seem to want scriptural proof as if it was presented as something completely new. I stated to you before also, that your premise for the OP is correct, but you as many others have no understanding of just what that means. Most if not all others, including you think that binding of Satan has something to do with his activity. It never has been about his activity, but ONLY his power over death, the true enemy of man and creation.

 

[ukok102nak]

Re: Even more clinic...

John is clearly attempting to worship an angel, in the same exact manner as he would Jesus, in each of these two accounts, via the usage of ‘proskynēsai’, as thus…


And I fell before his feet to worship (proskynēsai) him, but he said to me, Behold! Stop! I am a fellow-slave of yours, and of your brothers, having the testimony of Jesus. Worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19.10)


I, John, wasthe oneseeing and hearingthese things. And when I heard andsaw, I fell down to worship (proskynēsai) before the feet of the angel showing me these things. And he said to me,Behold! Stop!For I am yourfellow-slave, and of your brothers the prophets,and of the ones keeping the Words of this Book.Do worship to God. (Rev 22.8 – 9)




Observe that the only other usage of the term ‘proskynēsai’, in the entire NT, is here…


And when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men arrived from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is He born King of the Jews?For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship (proskynēsai)Him. (Mat 2.1 – 2)




As we can clearly see, ‘proskynēsai’ is worship, pure and simple.

More importantly, it is worship directed towards Jesus, Himself!

Thus…we have proof positive that John thought the angel was Jesus…simply more evidence that Jesus was often referred to as a Messenger.

:smoke: my goodness the taranta (d0) would :rofl:
And we cannot stop him when he start to

:blush: Excuse me sir bowman but you had been decieved . ...
:read:
Hebrews 1:1
In many and various drakhim (ways) Hashem in amolike times (olden times) spoke to the Avot by the Nevi'im.
2*At the Ketz HaYamim Hashem spoke to us by HaBen, whom He appointed Bechor of the Bechorah, Yoresh Kol (Heir of All Things), through whom also Hashem barah es HaShomayim v'es HaAretz;
3*who being the Shekhinah zohar (brilliance) of Hashem and the exact impress and demut of Hashem's essential nature, being, and reality, and sustaining everything by His dvar haKo'ach, after He made tihur (purification) of chata'im (sins), sat down at LIMIN ("the right hand"--Tehillim 110:1) of the Majesty on High.
4*He had become as much superior to the malachim as ha-Shem (the Name) Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach has inherited is more fest (excellent) than theirs.
THE CHOCHMAH HASHOMAYIM, THE CHOCHMAH-BEN HAELOHIM REBBE, MELECH HAMOSHIACH (MISHLE 8:30; 30:4) IS SUPERIOR TO MALACHIM; THE RABBI BRINGS DOWN A NUMBER OF CITATIONS TO SUPPORT HIS CHIDUSHIM (POINTS)
5*For to which of the malachim did Hashem ever say, "BENI ATAH, ANI HAYOM YELIDTICHA," ("My Son you are; Today I have become your Father." Tehillim 2:7)? And again, "ANI EH'H'YEH LO L'AV V'HU YIHEYEH LI L'BEN" "I will be to Him a Father and He will be to Me as a Son" Shmuel Bais 7:14)?
6*And again, when Hashem brings HaBechor into the Olam Hazeh, He says, "Let all Hashem's malachim worship him." [Devarim 32:43 Targum Ha-Shivim (Septuagint)]
7*And of the malachim, Hashem says "OSEH MALAKHAV RUCHOT MESHARTAV AISH L'HET" ("He makes his angels winds and his servants [ministering angels] flaming fire." Tehillim 104:4)
8*And Hashem says to HaBen, "KIS'AHCHA ELOHIM OLAM VAED SHEVET MISHOR SHEVET MALKHUTECHA" ("Your throne, G-d, will endure for ever and ever, and the scepter of justice is the scepter of the your kingdom"--Tehillim 45:7)
9*"AHAVTA TZEDEK VATISNA RE'SHA, AL KEN MESHAKHACHA ELOHIM, ELOHECHA SHEMEN SASON MECHAVERECHA" ("You loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; on account of this G-d, your G-d, anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions"--Tehillim 45:8)
10*and "Atah Adonoy LEFANIM HA'ARETZ YASADETA UMA'ASEH YADECHA SHOMAYIM; HEMMAH YOVEDU V'ATAH TA'AMOD V'KHULAM KABEGED YIVLU KALVUSH TACHALIFEM V'YACHLOFU V'ATAH HU USHENOTECHA LO YITAMU" ("You L-rd in the beginning founded the earth and the heavens the work of your hands;
~:» Orth JBC version

:now: and again from another version
it says like this . ...
:read:
Hebrews: 1. 2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6. And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
~:» KJV version

:yawn: a living testimony of yours that also happend since the creation of man
Before humans learned that its too late for them to bring back
What is loss that cannot be brought back by any angels
``Created by our lord god the father who is good and doesnt lie``
And without his father's decision
Even our lord god the only begotten son christ jesus
Doesn't have an authourity in what is going to happen
in time . ...

God bless us all always and repent from our mistakes . ...

:ty:

 

[ukok102nak]

:scarf: with this verses :smoke:
The arguments of yours was proven null and voud
:read:
Hebreo 1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6. And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

:now: remember that angels were made from fire which his ministers and
winds (~:»spirits because in our native language wind is ``hangin`` AND the
Spirit is ``espiritu`` but the soul is ``kaluluwa`` :happy: )
Also sone angels are made from water and some are maiden too :laway: :chair:

: : and the only begotten son IS NOT A CREATURE NOR CREATED BUT
HE WAS THE MOST OBEDIENT SON OF ALL . ...

:smoke: For he who is complying or willing to comply with orders or requests of the one
Who knows what is good then it is good for you also to follow his will : :

:yawn: and i we :rofl: they :happy: not following your doctrine that
Tells jesus is an angel :smoke:

:dontknow: why some were decieved and
Sorry but we have to say this in onder not to mislead their selves
BECAUSED YOUR SALVATION IS OUR SALVATION . ...

God bless us all always

:ty:

 

[Bowman]

Again, I have already done this a very long time back in this thread. It does not align with your interpretation so you dismiss it. When it is stated again, you seem to want scriptural proof as if it was presented as something completely new. I stated to you before also, that your premise for the OP is correct, but you as many others have no understanding of just what that means. Most if not all others, including you think that binding of Satan has something to do with his activity. It never has been about his activity, but ONLY his power over death, the true enemy of man and creation.

If you are going to repeat your same assertions, over, and over, and over....then you MUST defend these very same assertions, over, and over, and over....otherwise, you are simply re-affirming this forums dim view of catholics...

 

[Bowman]

Re: Even more clinic...

:smoke: my goodness the taranta (d0) would :rofl:
And we cannot stop him when he start to

:blush: Excuse me sir bowman but you had been decieved . ...
:read: :

Allow me to give it a go…

: nyuk : nyuk : nyuk …. : chitty : chitty : bang : bang…. : smiles galore….. : blue sky chuckling…. : no smoke : no smoke : no smoke…..

 

[Cassian]

If you are going to repeat your same assertions, over, and over, and over....then you MUST defend these very same assertions, over, and over, and over....otherwise, you are simply re-affirming this forums dim view of catholics...

It is one thing if a new person enters the discussion. But I have already given you all the scripture available showing the binding of Satan and what it means. Granted this thread got sidetracked by those who follow a theory that hijacked a verse of Rev 20:3 to support an errant theory. But most of the remainder of the thread was about the activity of Satan which the binding has nothing to do with.

What I am surprised about that you made a correct premise but do no understand what it actually means scripturally. The Nicene Creed does not state it, but the Apostles Creed does state that Christ descended into hell and was raised the third day. The Apostles Creed is used by many Protestants but possibly not by you.