Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

[eternally-gratefull]

What I have seen is that people expect God to say:

Gandalf 1 verse 1 - And the Lord said in a booming voice: "Gentiles you are now Israel!!!"

but what this same crowd forget is that they believe in a trinity God. The word trinity is not found in the Bible. So clearly they can't believe in that? Just saying...

Only one problem

The bible literally says the father sons and spirit. so that is proven, and is not even questionable.

The bible ever says,

1. Ok, I now give this land of Canaan to the church.
2. If the church obeys, I will bless them, and give them rain and save them from their enemies, and they will live in peace in their land,
3. If they do not, I will punish them, and if they still disobay I will punish them 7 times more, and if still, seven times more, and eventually if they continue I will punish them severely, I will lay waste their cities and their sanctuaries. I will remove them from their land, and they will live in the land of their enemie.
4. But if they repent....I will take the church where were slaves to gentile nations, and bring them back and make them one nation again, and be there God.

where does it ever make this claim and promise to the church? When did it take over this from Israel?

As for bloodline, I can trace my bloodline back to Adam and Noah,

I have no blood of Abraham in me, Let alone, no Blood of Isaac , let alone No blood of Jacob (Israel)

So no. I am not related to Isreal. and the bible does not say otherwise.

 

[KJV1611]

Only one problem

The bible literally says the father sons and spirit. so that is proven, and is not even questionable.

The bible ever says,

1. Ok, I now give this land of Canaan to the church.
2. If the church obeys, I will bless them, and give them rain and save them from their enemies, and they will live in peace in their land,
3. If they do not, I will punish them, and if they still disobay I will punish them 7 times more, and if still, seven times more, and eventually if they continue I will punish them severely, I will lay waste their cities and their sanctuaries. I will remove them from their land, and they will live in the land of their enemie.
4. But if they repent....I will take the church where were slaves to gentile nations, and bring them back and make them one nation again, and be there God.

where does it ever make this claim and promise to the church? When did it take over this from Israel?

As for bloodline, I can trace my bloodline back to Adam and Noah,

I have no blood of Abraham in me, Let alone, no Blood of Isaac , let alone No blood of Jacob (Israel)

So no. I am not related to Isreal. and the bible does not say otherwise.

Do you believe Christ was in the CHURCH in the wilderness?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But that is because you do not understand Romans 9-11. What Paul was showing in Rom 9-11 was that the true Israel was the election of Israel plus the proselyte Gentiles who had been grafted in. Thus the 'all Israel who will be saved' are the olive tree, believing Jews and believing Gentiles, That is WHY all Israel cannot be saved until the fullness of the Gentiles (the elect) have been gathered in. They are a necessary part of 'all Israel'

No,

What Paul showed in Rom 9 - 11 is that God did not make a mistake

1. Being a natural jew never saved anyone
2. Being a gentile never counted anyone out
3. God prophesied Israel would fall away and be blinded in part
4. God prophesied gentiles would be saved also. by accepting Christ
5. But do nt be too proud. God has not given up on Israel.
6. there will be a day (when the age of gentiles is complete) when Israel will repent and they all will be saved.
7. God gifts never fade away. and never fail

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What I have seen is that people expect God to say:

Gandalf 1 verse 1 - And the Lord said in a booming voice: "Gentiles you are now Israel!!!"

but what this same crowd forget is that they believe in a trinity God. The word trinity is not found in the Bible. So clearly they can't believe in that? Just saying...

When was a gentile told they would be dispersed if they sinned?

Your argument is flawed my friend.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If people believed their bible was inerrant this argument wouldn't even exist. The church existed in Israel's day.... it was the church who inherited the promises to Abraham.

Acts 7:38 KJV
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

so why is the church not living In Israel. in peace.. in blessing, in lack of fear from their enemies. If the church has taken over the promises to Israel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you believe Christ was in the CHURCH in the wilderness?

What does that have to do with promises God gave one nation. and punishments or curses if the church did not obey him?

what does that have to do with my bloodline being tracable back to abraham through one son and one grandson only?

Try to stick to what I said please.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which is Israel born of the spirit, not just of the flesh. First the natural, then the spiritual. The Israel where no unbeliever can enter. The new creation made in the image of the last Adam, not the first Adam.

So Noah was Israel born in the spirit? and adam and Abraham??

How can abraham be the nationality of ONE of his grandsons (of whome the nation got its name)

THERE IS NO JEW OR GENTILE.

WHy do you want to make the church jew, when God said there is no jew or gentile

We are a new nation, a heavenly nation, NOT GENTILE IN NATURE< AND NOT JEWISH IN NATURE!!

 

[valiant]

Their argument is lacking and has serious issues. they forget one major problem.

The God Of Israel was first the God of Adam, The God of Noah, The God of Abraham (he was a gentile God LONG before he was an Israel God)

God chose Israel to have a few functions..

only 1 of those functions was to bore the savior of mankind, and become a blessing to all nations (salvic in nature)

And those functions are being fulfilled by the true Israel (the true church of believers) today. Thank God it wasn't left to unbelieving Judaism. They had been cut out of Israel

 

[valiant]

So Noah was Israel born in the spirit? and adam and Abraham??

How can abraham be the nationality of ONE of his grandsons (of whome the nation got its name)

THERE IS NO JEW OR GENTILE.

WHy do you want to make the church jew, when God said there is no jew or gentile

We are a new nation, a heavenly nation, NOT GENTILE IN NATURE< AND NOT JEWISH IN NATURE!!

True, but there IS a true Israel, the Israel of God, the Israel which is comprised of believers in the Messiah (whether they were once Jews or once Gentiles.

I wonder whether you have recognised that Roman 1-3 speaks of the Jews. Romans 9-11 is about ISRAEL. Very significant. (Jews are only mentioned there when contrasted with Gentiles. Israel include both)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And those functions are being fulfilled by the true Israel (the true church of believers) today. Thank God it wasn't left to unbelieving Judaism. They had been cut out of Israel

It was never left to Judaism, thats a strawman.

And no they are not being fulfilled by the church today. There is no peace in the middle east. And the church is not in the land of canaan.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True, but there IS a true Israel, the Israel of God, the Israel which is comprised of believers in the Messiah (whether they were once Jews or once Gentiles.

Nope, they would be children of God. Not Israel.

I wonder whether you have recognised that Roman 1-3 speaks of the Jews. Romans 9-11 is about ISRAEL. Very significant. (Jews are only mentioned there when contrasted with Gentiles. Israel include both)

A jew is just a memeber of Judah (the lower kingdom) and does not include ALL of Israel.

Or did you forget this fact?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So Noah was Israel born in the spirit? and adam and Abraham??

How can abraham be the nationality of ONE of his grandsons (of whome the nation got its name)

THERE IS NO JEW OR GENTILE.

WHy do you want to make the church jew, when God said there is no jew or gentile

We are a new nation, a heavenly nation, NOT GENTILE IN NATURE< AND NOT JEWISH IN NATURE!!

Think resurrection. These men looked forward to the true Israel.

 

[valiant]

What does that have to do with promises God gave one nation. and punishments or curses if the church did not obey him?

what does that have to do with my bloodline being tracable back to abraham through one son and one grandson only?

Try to stick to what I said please.

But that one nation was made up of Israelites and Gentiles from the start. It later incorporated the mixed multitude of Exod 12.38 and the many Gentiles who became Israelites under exod 12.48.

It swallowed up the Edomites, and the Galilean Gentiles.

It is doubtful if ANYONE today can prove that they were descended from Jacob. So there is no bloodline. It is simply a myth. Indeed probably most Europeans have Jewish blood in their veins. Being a Jew today is simply a matter of choice, and of aligning with Jewish beliefs and tradition.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Think resurrection. These men looked forward to the true Israel.

why think of ressurection? That makes no sense.

These men looked forward to eternity. (not true Israel) The physical things God promised them were great. but what good is it if they eternal destination is not secure?

Thats where they jews messed up, they thought the physical equaled the eternal..Thus they missed Christ,

It does not make the physical promises obsolite.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But that one nation was made up of Israelites and Gentiles from the start. It later incorporated the mixed multitude of Exod 12.38 and the many Gentiles who became Israelites under exod 12.48.

Um No. Noah was not a member of Israel. Nor was Adam, And Abraham was only a father, but only through one son and one grandson..

So your wrong.. Have to go to the start, Just because the blood may have been mixed later, It still comes from one bloodline.

It swallowed up the Edomites, and the Galilean Gentiles.

Edom, was her brother.. What does this have to do with anything, Gods promise was still only given to her, not her brother..

So no. again your wrong.

It is doubtful if ANYONE today can prove that they were descended from Jacob. So there is no bloodline. It is simply a myth. Indeed probably most Europeans have Jewish blood in their veins. Being a Jew today is simply a matter of choice, and of aligning with Jewish beliefs and tradition.

So God has no way to know who is of the true bloodline?

God made the promise, I am sure God, who promised to never let the nation fall away, but always keep a remnant, knows who he made the promise with

It does not matter what we think, or have you not known that, it never mattered what we think.

 

[Cassian]

why think of ressurection? That makes no sense.

These men looked forward to eternity. (not true Israel) The physical things God promised them were great. but what good is it if they eternal destination is not secure?

Thats where they jews messed up, they thought the physical equaled the eternal..Thus they missed Christ,

It does not make the physical promises obsolite.

The physical was accomplished already by Solomon's time. The entire covenant was abrogated by the national Israel. Why would God follow through on a Covenant that was actually abrogated three times by national Israel. Which is why the end of the national Isreal comes as Christ prophesied in Matt and historically occurred in 70AD. The were scattered permanently as scripture states.
All the prophecies of the OT have already been fulfilled. The OT is fulfilled by Christ and the NT.

What would be the purpose of Christ having some earthly reign in some distant future? You have a theory that has never been the teaching of scripture and you cannot find any reason why there would be a purpose for another earthly kingdom of Christ. The only reason I can garner is that the Jews are still looking for the Messiah, the earthly king to do what today, I'm not sure, but Schofield has deceived a lot of Christians to blindly follow a purely world view. Scofield clearly did not understand apocalyptic writing.

Again, it is one of those things that if it was actually the teaching of scripture, it would have been taught from the beginning by the Apostles, by all throughout history. Yet it does not appear until Scofield. And all it is today is a few men arguing over the best scenario and it has been going on for 200 years.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

why think of ressurection? That makes no sense.

These men looked forward to eternity. (not true Israel) The physical things God promised them were great. but what good is it if they eternal destination is not secure?

Thats where they jews messed up, they thought the physical equaled the eternal..Thus they missed Christ,

It does not make the physical promises obsolite.

Abraham looked forward to receiving the land of Israel in the resurrection. He knew he would not receive it during his lifetime.

 

[Grandpa]

Abraham looked forward to receiving the land of Israel in the resurrection. He knew he would not receive it during his lifetime.

Genesis 22:4
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.

In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen. What will be seen?

Do we have to go to Mt. Moriah to see it?

Some of the stuff in the OT, especially with Abraham is extraordinary...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Genesis 22:4
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.

In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen. What will be seen?

Do we have to go to Mt. Moriah to see it?

Some of the stuff in the OT, especially with Abraham is extraordinary...

Abraham was extraordinary. For the longest time I could not figure out how he could offer his son as a sacrifice. Then once I understood how blood covenants work, and how clearly he saw the coming messiah, I could see.

Abraham your father rejoiced that he would see my day, and he saw it and was glad.” John 8:56​

 

[Grandpa]

Abraham was extraordinary. For the longest time I could not figure out how he could offer his son as a sacrifice. Then once I understood how blood covenants work, and how clearly he saw the coming messiah, I could see.

Abraham your father rejoiced that he would see my day, and he saw it and was glad.” John 8:56​

And that answers what will be seen in the Mount of the Lord as well...

Everything points to Christ and what He has done.