LORDSHIP SALVATION

[P1LGR1M]

I am not referring to myself as you would like me to do.

You are referring to yourself. Are you not a Christian?

What is hilarious is that you are taking the same position I take and insisting that there is more to Christianity than the No-Lordship Camp teaches.

I AM referring to the examples we have in scriptures.

And as I said, if you want to think you're living a crucified life, and that you're "suffering" is on a par with that which first century believers, and some in certain parts of the world today go through, have at it.

You can presume what you like about me or another but that won't nullify what we see in the scriptures and body of truth concerning those who take up their cross and deny the flesh and respond to the plan and will of God by faith.

I have presumed nothing, lol, simply pointed out what has been stated in the public record.

And we don't see the likely "we" you refer to stepping up to correct you for your Lordship Salvation teaching.

Wonder why, lol.

Any man or woman who has been forgiven of sin and justified by faith and who has the indwelling Spirit to live godly in this present evil world, will suffer persecution among their former associates, the members of their household, their neighbor and from those in the world that live according to the lust of their eyes, the lusts of the flesh and according to the pride of life.

Lordship Salvation!

Rather judgmental, are you not? Are you saying that true faith will evidence a changed life?

They will judge according to the flesh and according to the deceitfulness of their own heart. I hope that we have taken up our cross and allowed death to be worked in, to lose our life so that we can judge righteously according to mercy and grace as a Spirit-filled believer and not as one who is carnally minded through the flesh.

I thought you were not speaking of yourself?

As a member of Christ's body, we will all be judged at the bema seat of Christ according to mercy and the light of God's word and not according to the letter of the law. Here is a thought provoking concept of righteous judgement... the mercy seat is now the bema seat of Christ and from that place we will receive rewards or the loss thereof, but we will never be judged because of sin for sin was already judged on the cross. The believer will suffer loss because of sin (the works of the flesh) but will never suffer the second death and will be saved as by fire.

There is no blood associated with the Bema Seat. The Blood of the New Covenant applies salvifically, and we distinguish between that and the judgment of believers.

[h=1]Hebrews 9:28

King James Version (KJV)[/h]
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Our judgment for our works has nothing to do with our being saved apart from the obvious.

Our first work is to believe upon the Son and concerning the work of the ministry we become a joint participant.

Lordship Salvation! lol

This implies works after salvation, does it not?

That work is rooted in Christ and revealed by the Holy Spirit. As we are lead in that work it will be contrary to the corruption in this present evil world system and to the lusts of the flesh.

Lordship Salvation!

And I agree completely.

Instead of clarifying our doctrine with the questions we ask of others, we just keep our eye single upon Christ, walk by faith in God's promises and love the brethren through a laid down life, then people will see whether our works are wrought in God or the flesh.

Lordship Salvation!

And again, I agree with you completely. There will be evidence of salvation and that will be something noticeable to others.

That does not detract from the principle taught in Scripture that this evidence can be counterfeited, which is why Scripture has always had the task of bringing conviction in the hearts of those who come under it.

Again, it is curious that those criticizing Lordship Salvation have not bothered to correct the things you have said. Curious indeed.


God bless.

 

[BradC]

You are referring to yourself. Are you not a Christian?

What is hilarious is that you are taking the same position I take and insisting that there is more to Christianity than the No-Lordship Camp teaches.

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You mistake discipleship and replace it with Lordship. Taking up our cross is what we do as disciples who follow the Lord. We are saved by grace through faith in the cross of Christ and we desire to follow the Lord by taking up our own cross. That is not difficult to understand. We are crucified with Christ positionally and now we can follow in his steps in our experience. Our salvation is complete when we believe upon the Son and whether we take up our cross or not, that salvation will never change because it comes from God through his Son.

If we are going to follow Christ we must hear the words of Christ and allow those words to lead us away from the desires of the flesh and into the will of God. In this we walk by faith and trust in the promises of God with an attitude of faith rest being anxious for nothing. We learn to not react in the flesh for all things are of God and for our sake.

 

[Gr8grace]

You mistake discipleship and replace it with Lordship. Taking up our cross is what we do as disciples who follow the Lord. We are saved by grace through faith in the cross of Christ and we desire to follow the Lord by taking up our own cross. That is not difficult to understand. We are crucified with Christ positionally and now we can follow in his steps in our experience. Our salvation is complete when we believe upon the Son and whether we take up our cross or not, that salvation will never change because it comes from God through his Son.

If we are going to follow Christ we must hear the words of Christ and allow those words to lead us away from the desires of the flesh and into the will of God. In this we walk by faith and trust in the promises of God with an attitude of faith rest being anxious for nothing. We learn to not react in the flesh for all things are of God and for our sake.

Faith rest. It is one of the first divine problem solving devices that we need to utilize to carry on in this Christian life.

Great truth Brother.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BradC again.

 

[james57]

We believers when we stand before Christ at the bema seat will be judged on how faithful we were !!!

If we are faithless he will remain faithful
For he cannot disown himself
2tim2:13

 

[P1LGR1M]

You mistake discipleship and replace it with Lordship.
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On the contrary those who followed Christ...were called disciples.

[h=1]Acts 11:26

King James Version (KJV)[/h]
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.


You just want to argue, apparently, and again it is hilarious to watch the No-Lordhip hypocrites congratulate you on such a conflicting teaching.

You make things worse as you seek to justify your teaching. We shall see if the discerning among us will acknowledge this. I am not at this point expecting you to do so.

Taking up our cross is what we do as disciples who follow the Lord. We are saved by grace through faith in the cross of Christ and we desire to follow the Lord by taking up our own cross.
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And what is your Cross?

Having your teaching critiqued on a forum?

What are the perplexities, sufferings, perils...that you equate to the Cross of Christ?

And how is saying one must do so not a Lordship Salvation teaching?

That is not difficult to understand.
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What is difficult to understand, though, is your conflicting position.

We are crucified with Christ positionally
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Sounds vaguely familiar. On, that's right...I already made that point yet you want to play antagonist, lol.

and now we can follow in his steps in our experience.
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Sorry, no. You are suffering greatly from delusions of grandeur if you think the minor inconveniences you suffer even come close to that which the LORD suffered.

Our salvation is complete when we believe upon the Son and whether we take up our cross or not, that salvation will never change because it comes from God through his Son. .

So now you replace the Lord's teachings with one taking up their Cross...being optional?

Listen, not one person in this thread, on this forum, or on any forum I have ever been on can charge me with denying the Security of Salvation for the believer, nor deny God's Sovereignty in salvation, so your statements, just like those of the other No-Lordhip Movement groupies in this thread is bluster.

If we are going to follow Christ we must hear the words of Christ and allow those words to lead us away from the desires of the flesh and into the will of God. .

Or, it might be optional, as your teaching suggests.

Make up your mind, amigo, and do so quickly, because your treachins are going to be here to either help, or confuse, those who read this thread.

In this we walk by faith and trust in the promises of God with an attitude of faith rest being anxious for nothing. We learn to not react in the flesh for all things are of God and for our sake


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So what you are saying is that believers learn from God how to be obedient, is that it?

That too sounds vaguely familiar, though the record shows that I am the one who has actually presented a scripture to support my statements.


God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

If we are faithless he will remain faithful
For he cannot disown himself
2tim2:13

So believers can be without faith?

God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Faith rest. It is one of the first divine problem solving devices that we need to utilize to carry on in this Christian life.

Great truth Brother.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BradC again.

So is taking up our Cross optional?

God bless.

 

[james57]

So believers can be without faith?

God bless.

Do you object to Paul's statement and disagree with it?

I assume you didn't know in what way he was referring to as being faithless

 

[P1LGR1M]

You mistake discipleship and replace it with Lordship. Taking up our cross is what we do as disciples who follow the Lord. We are saved by grace through faith in the cross of Christ and we desire to follow the Lord by taking up our own cross. That is not difficult to understand. We are crucified with Christ positionally and now we can follow in his steps in our experience. Our salvation is complete when we believe upon the Son and whether we take up our cross or not, that salvation will never change because it comes from God through his Son.

If we are going to follow Christ we must hear the words of Christ and allow those words to lead us away from the desires of the flesh and into the will of God. In this we walk by faith and trust in the promises of God with an attitude of faith rest being anxious for nothing. We learn to not react in the flesh for all things are of God and for our sake.

Were you planning to address the rest of the post?

God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Do you object to Paul's statement and disagree with it?

Of course not, lol, I object to you using it in a manner that implies Paul is saying it is okay to be without faith.

I assume you didn't know in what way he was referring to as being faithless

That's not surprising, seeing you assume quite often.


2 Timothy 2:12-13

King James Version (KJV)


12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.


You want to show me how you see this as obliging faithlessness in a believer?

Do those of faith deny Him?


God bless.

 

[james57]

Of course not, lol, I object to you using it in a manner that implies Paul is saying it is okay to be without faith







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God bless.

I didn't imply anything, you did, I simply quoted the verse.

 

[P1LGR1M]

So answer my question.

God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Actually...questions.


God bless.

 

[james57]

Actually...questions.


God bless.

If we died with him
We will also live with him
If we endure
We will also reign with him
If we disown him
He will also disown us
If we are faithless he will remain faithful
For he cannot disown himself


If the christian is faithless by their actions, if they err, Christ remains faithful for he cannot disown himself.

I thought you would have known that, apparently not.

 

[P1LGR1M]

If we died with him
We will also live with him
If we endure
We will also reign with him
If we disown him
He will also disown us
If we are faithless he will remain faithful
For he cannot disown himself


If the christian is faithless by their actions, if they err, Christ remains faithful for he cannot disown himself.

I thought you would have known that, apparently not.

More assumption which is irrelevant to anything I said and yet another attempt to justify yourself.

And you still evade my questions.

You said...

If we are faithless he will remain faithful
For he cannot disown himself
2tim2:13

I asked...

So believers can be without faith?

God bless.

To which you responded...

Do you object to Paul's statement and disagree with it?

I assume you didn't know in what way he was referring to as being faithless

...so now you can clarify you were not implying you think this passage teaches Christ remains faithful to those who are faithless.

So will you answer the question now?


God bless.

 

[james57]

More assumption which is irrelevant to anything I said and yet another attempt to justify yourself.

And you still evade my questions.

You said...



I asked...



To which you responded...



...so now you can clarify you were not implying you think this passage teaches Christ remains faithful to those who are faithless.

So will you answer the question now?


God bless.

I have already plainly answered your question in relation to the text. All I am receiving back is bluster as I did the last tine we chatted

It is you that cannot answer questions. I twice asked you a question and you refused to answer it!
So please, don't accuse others of not answering questions

 

[james57]

If we died with him
We will also live with him
If we endure
We will also reign with him
If we disown him
He will also disown us
If we are faithless he will remain faithful
For he cannot disown himself


If the christian is faithless by their actions, if they err, Christ remains faithful for he cannot disown himself.

I thought you would have known that, apparently not.

Read the answer again here. It very plainly states what Paul was referring to in the verse you responded to.
Stop being a silly billy

 

[P1LGR1M]

I have already plainly answered your question in relation to the text. All I am receiving back is bluster as I did the last tine we chatted

It is you that cannot answer questions. I twice asked you a question and you refused to answer it!
So please, don't accuse others of not answering questions

No bluster, just a detailed reminder of what was said.

Now, again...

So believers can be without faith?

God bless.

God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Read the answer again here. It very plainly states what Paul was referring to in the verse you responded to.
Stop being a silly billy

So believers can be without faith. That is your answer?

God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

The other question is here.

Of course not, lol, I object to you using it in a manner that implies Paul is saying it is okay to be without faith.




That's not surprising, seeing you assume quite often.


2 Timothy 2:12-13

King James Version (KJV)


12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.


You want to show me how you see this as obliging faithlessness in a believer?

Do those of faith deny Him?


God bless.

Please just answer the questions here.


God bless.