LORDSHIP SALVATION

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james57

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P1LGR1M said:
No bluster, just a detailed reminder of what was said.

Now, again...




God bless.
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Your question was related to my quote of 2tim 2:13

Now once again, I have given you the explanation as what Paul meant in that verse. So you continuing to ve rather childish by responding as you do does not speak well of you
Once again. When will you answer a question I put to you? I am left believing you didn't know the answer. Possibly more studying is needed
 
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james57

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P1LGR1M said:
The other question is here.




Please just answer the questions here.


God bless.
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Your questions were based on your lack of understanding of what 2tim 2:13 was stating. Now you have had that verse explained to you. Your questions concerning it theb become irrelevant as they were based on your lack of knowledge. Now you have the knowledge
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
Your question was related to my quote of 2tim 2:13

Now once again, I have given you the explanation as what Paul meant in that verse. So you continuing to ve rather childish by responding as you do does not speak well of you
Once again. When will you answer a question I put to you? I am left believing you didn't know the answer. Possibly more studying is needed
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I would think my denial of your use of this passage to teach believers can be without faith and deny God and still be covered because He cannot deny Himself would answer you quite well, lol.


God bless.
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
Your questions were based on your lack of understanding of what 2tim 2:13 was stating. Now you have had that verse explained to you. Your questions concerning it theb become irrelevant as they were based on your lack of knowledge. Now you have the knowledge
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Let me make this a little easier for you:



2 Timothy 2:12-13

King James Version (KJV)


12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.


You want to show me how you see this as obliging faithlessness in a believer?

Do those of faith deny Him?

Two very simple questions.


God bless.
 
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james57

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P1LGR1M said:
I would think my denial of your use of this passage to teach believers can be without faith and deny God and still be covered because He cannot deny Himself would answer you quite well, lol.


God bless.
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All I said concerning the passage was it referred to people who were unfaithful in regard to their actions, erring in this respect.
I see once again you like to bear false witness.
Lordship salvation? Based on your example of it I will steer clear of such a thing. Obviously you are quite happy to break connandments whenever you feel like it
 
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james57

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P1LGR1M said:
Let me make this a little easier for you:



2 Timothy 2:12-13

King James Version (KJV)


12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.


You want to show me how you see this as obliging faithlessness in a believer?

Do those of faith deny Him?

Two very simple questions.


God bless.
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Let me make this a little easier for you. If a person errs in actions they are not denying Christ/they are not disowning him. I don't accuse you of denying Christ by continually erring in action by bearing false witness do I? But you are being faithless to the christian walk

Now when will you have the confidence to answer a question of mine? Never?
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
All I said concerning the passage was it referred to people who were unfaithful in regard to their actions, erring in this respect.
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In your effort to correct me you, like most in this thread, are more concerned with me being wrong than the actual topic.

How's that working out for you James?

"All you said" was that believers can be faithless and deny Christ.

The passage does not teach such greasy grace and easy believism.

You do.


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I see once again you like to bear false witness.
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No false witness. They're your words, your arguments, your wresting of Scripture for your own use.


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Lordship salvation? Based on your example of it I will steer clear of such a thing. Obviously you are quite happy to break connandments whenever you feel like it
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And you are still as ignorant of Lordship Salvation as you were when you entered the thread.

Of course, you are saying believers can be fàithless and deny Christ (and this is implied from the text which you say I misunderstand the context of, we can't separate these two things) and that's okay because He cannot deny Himself.

What absurdity.


God bless.
 
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james57

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Show me the post where I stated believers can be faithless AND deny christ
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
Let me make this a little easier for you. If a person errs in actions they are not denying Christ/they are not disowning him.
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That is not what the text states. It states we are not to deny, we are not to be faithless.

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I don't accuse you of denying Christ by continually erring in action by bearing false witness do I?
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Yes. By saying I am bearing false witness, lol.

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But you are being faithless to the christian walk
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See? lol

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Now when will you have the confidence to answer a question of mine? Never?
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What question/s do you feel I have not answered?

Pose them and I will answer.

And still waiting for you to answer these...

P1LGR1M said:
2 Timothy 2:12-13

King James Version (KJV)


12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.


You want to show me how you see this as obliging faithlessness in a believer?

Do those of faith deny Him?


God bless.
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Just respond to the questions. While your No-Lordship fellows might like your evasion, 5hat can't possibly sit well with your spirit, can it James?

God bless.
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
Show me the post where I stated believers can be faithless AND deny christ
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I already showed the progression of the discussion. I asked you if believers could be faithless and you accuse me of not understanding your prooftext which was your response to my question.

You have been given opportunity to deny this but you continue dancing around direct questions.

The questions posed are your out from the ridiculous implications of your statements, I would suggest you take it and move on. You can nurse your ego later.

;)


God bless.
 
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james57

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P1LGR1M said:
That is not what the text states. It states we are not to deny, we are not to be faithless.



Yes. By saying I am bearing false witness, lol.



See? lol



What question/s do you feel I have not answered?

Pose them and I will answer.

And still waiting for you to answer these...




Just respond to the questions. While your No-Lordship fellows might like your evasion, 5hat can't possibly sit well with your spirit, can it James?

God bless.
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It is you who has easy believism and greasy grace. For you happily break one of the ten commandments without conscience you told me.
You may spout doctrinal rhetoric to the contrary. But that is only words. You still lie to what you say i have written.
Your question had been answered. I will repost the answer, and an happy to continually do so
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
It is you who has believism and greasy grace. For you happily break one of the ten commandments without conscience you told me.
You may spout doctrinal rhetoric to the contrary. But that is only words. You still lie to what you say i have written.
Your question had been answered. I will repost the answer, and an happy to continually do so
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I look forward to an answer.

God bless.
 
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james57

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james57 said:
Let me make this a little easier for you. If a person errs in actions they are not denying Christ/they are not disowning him. I don't accuse you of denying Christ by continually erring in action by bearing false witness do I? But you are being faithless to the christian walk

Now when will you have the confidence to answer a question of mine? Never?
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Here you are, the answer to your question, yet again
 
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james57

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james57 said:
Show me the post where I stated believers can be faithless AND deny christ
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Will I get an apology for lying as to what you stated I wrote in the above?
Doesn't lordship salvation require an obligation of obedience? Obviously not!
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
Here you are, the answer to your question, yet again
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That does not answer the questions.

You are not showing how your prooftext obliges faithlessness in believers, and you have not answered as to whether believers can deny him, and whether this text supports believers denying Him.

Amazing, really.

God bless.
 
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james57

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P1LGR1M said:
I already showed the progression of the discussion. I asked you if believers could be faithless and you accuse me of not understanding your prooftext which was your response to my question.

You have been given opportunity to deny this but you continue dancing around direct questions.

The questions posed are your out from the ridiculous implications of your statements, I would suggest you take it and move on. You can nurse your ego later.

;)


God bless.
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The reason you lie as to what others have stated and continue to ask questions that have plainly been answered is pride I am afraid.lying and pride from someone who preaches lordship salvation! Better to avoid it if that is the outcome
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
Will I get an apology for lying as to what you stated I wrote in the above?
Doesn't lordship salvation require an obligation of obedience? Obviously not!
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Apologize for pointing out your doctrine is in error?

Obviously not.

:)


God bless.
 
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james57

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james57 said:
Let me make this a little easier for you. If a person errs in actions they are not denying Christ/they are not disowning him. I don't accuse you of denying Christ by continually erring in action by bearing false witness do I? But you are being faithless to the christian walk

Now when will you have the confidence to answer a question of mine? Never?
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Show me the error in the above
 
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P1LGR1M

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james57 said:
The reason you lie as to what others have stated and continue to ask questions that have plainly been answered is pride I am afraid.lying and pride from someone who preaches lordship salvation! Better to avoid it if that is the outcome
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Well, if nothing else, at least you are exposed as a No-Lordhip adherent.

I give up on trying to get a straight answer from you and will conclude you actually do think the passage is a pass for faithless believers, and by implication, its okay if someone denies Christ.

This is the exact opposite of what is being taught in the chapter.

God bless.
 
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james57

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P1LGR1M said:
Apologize for pointing out your doctrine is in error?

Obviously not.

:)


God bless.
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The Pharisees of Jesus day insisted on obedience while not obeying themselves. Nothing had changed in 2000 years.
Thank you for persuading me to steer clear of lordship salvation
 
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