I want to understand the Catholic faith so....

[Magenta]

One Catholic apologist I spoke with for a time straight up denied that I was brought up the way I had claimed, as if they knew the practices of my school and church as a child despite the fact they were not there, so great was their imperious presumption, so great their pride in seeking to make me wrong at any cost. It can be quite mind blowing what Catholics will claim, and takes some getting used to being blatantly lied to like that.

 

[fordman]

Oh, you are right, he is 81 and not 71, my apologies

Apology accepted. However, one has to wonder if its possible for you to error in a simple calculation in mathematics, why should anyone take your personal thoughts of the Catholic faith, and personal interpretation of Scripture as absolute and without error?

Why are you now pretending pops stands for dad when you said earlier it was for the previous generation? Is this some kind of bait and switch?

Ha..ha..... bait and switch? did you not see the little smiley face at the end of that statement? You really need to lighten up girl.


p.s. My brothers and I did refure to our Dad as "Pop's" from time to time, as does my own son does to me....... with no disrespect taken! Sheesh girl..... you need to get over it! {rolling eyes}





"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ------- Luke 1:48.

Do you?

　



Pax Christi
　

 

[Magenta]

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Apology accepted. However, one has to wonder if its possible for you to error in a simple calculation in mathematics, why should anyone take your personal thoughts of the Catholic faith, and personal interpretation of Scripture as absolute and without error?

Hello? Since when is a misreading of a number an error in mathematics? You really need to lighten up, boy.

 

[Magenta]

In 1895, Einstein sat the entrance examinations to get into the prestigious Federal Polytechnic School (or Academy) in Zurich, Switzerland. He did outstandingly well in physics and mathematics, but failed the non-science subjects, doing especially badly in French - so he was not accepted.

According to the Catholic logic just displayed, because Einstein failed French, we should find everything else he had to say on any other subject highly suspect. Oy!

 

[Billyd]

For the Catholics here.

As I read through the back and forth insults being past here, I still find myself wanting to know a few more important things.

Although I still believe it to be false, I'll give you your perspective of Mary, the mother of Jesus. It's futile to try to show you that you are wrong.

My next question is do you believe that the Father (God), Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit, are also together the Father (God)?
Why? or Why not?

 

[Vdp]

Its not about what they want or do not want to believe in.

Its all about the Worship of Mary as their god and their teaching the commandments of men as Doctrines from God.

These two things by themselves will keep the Catholics from be allowed to enter into Heaven

Look at Pope John Paul II, he did Worship Mary as his God and he did teach the commandments of men as Doctrines from God. Pope John Paul II will not be allowed to enter into Heaven. He WILL be cast into the Lake of Fire with Satan and the rest of the Catholics.

 

[fordman]

Hello? Since when is a misreading of a number an error in mathematics? You really need to lighten up, boy.

Ha..ha. Now thats what I'm talking about Magenta when I say you need to lighten up! Knew you had it in ya!



Pax Christi

 

[valiant]

There is a HUGE difference between veneration and worship. How many dictionary definitions would it take to convince you?

Dictionary definitions are irrelevant. They tell us what you PRETEND to do if others ask you about it.

Veneration before an image is worship, and breaks the command against bowing down to graven images. If you really think that old women make this distinction you need your head examining.

Will facts have any bearing on your prejudice? Not likely.
And all bowing is not worship either.

No one said it was. But bowing down before graven images IS WORSHIP.

Deut. 5:9 - God's command, "you shall not bow down to them" means "do not worship them." But not all bowing is worship. Here God's command is connected to false worship.

You do twist things, but then you have order to defend your churches false teachings. Bowing down before graven images is worship. It is false worship.

Rev. 3:9 - Jesus said people would bow down before the faithful members of the church of Philadelphia. This bowing before the faithful is not worship, just as kissing a picture of a family member is not worship.
Gen. 19:1 - Lot bowed down to the ground in veneration before two angels in Sodom.
Gen. 24:52 - Abraham's servant bowed himself to the earth before the Lord.
Gen. 42:6 - Joseph's brothers bow before Joseph with the face to the ground.
Jos. 5:14 - Joshua fell to the ground prostrate in veneration before an angel.
1 Sam. 28:14 - Saul bows down before Samuel with his face to the ground in honor and veneration.
1 Kings 1:23 - the prophet Nathan bows down before King David.
2 Kings 2:15 - the sons of the prophets bow down to Elisha at Jericho.
1 Chron. 21:21 - Ornan the Jebusite did obeisance to king David with his face to the ground.
1 Chron. 29:20 - Israelites bowed down to worship God and give honor to the king.
2 Chron. 29:29-30 - King Hezekiah and the assembly venerate the altar by bowing down in worship before the sin offerings.
Tobit 12:16 - Tobiah and Tobit fell down to the ground in veneration before the angel Raphael.
Judith 14:7 - Achior the Ammonite kneels before Judith venerating her and praising God.
Psalm 138:2 - David bows down before God's Holy Temple.
Dan. 2:46 - the king fell down on his face paying homage to Daniel and commands that an offering be made to him.
Dan. 8:17 - Daniel fell down prostrate in veneration before the angel Gabriel.

LOL I didn't notice a graven image among them. You just play with words.

All bowing is not worship.

All bowing before graven images like Mary is worship.

Protestants will bow their head in prayer when reading the Bible. Are they worshiping their Bible?

were you born stupid or did it grow on you?

You better not visit Japan, there everybody worships each other, according to your self made definition that you will probably rigidly adhere to.

LOL yes you clearly were born stupid. What has this to do with graven images?

Do you honestly think that Catholics are so stupid as to believe their prayers stop at a piece of wood or plaster? Or because of their posture?

to some extent yes LOL. But that's the point it doesn't stop. It results in worship of the being involved

 

[valiant]

One Catholic apologist I spoke with for a time straight up denied that I was brought up the way I had claimed, as if they knew the practices of my school and church as a child despite the fact they were not there, so great was their imperious presumption, so great their pride in seeking to make me wrong at any cost. It can be quite mind blowing what Catholics will claim, and takes some getting used to being blatantly lied to like that.

That's Roman Catholicism Magenta

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: about mary . ...
let ask her about the truth
:read:
Luke: 1. 45. And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord.
46. And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.
47. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name.
50. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.

:happy: remember this always
Romans: 1. 24. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

God bless us all always

:ty:

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: about mary . ...
let ask her about the truth
:read:
Luke: 1. 45. And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord.
46. And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.
47. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name.
50. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.

as it is written
:read:
John: 13. 16. Amen, amen I say to you: The servant is not greater than his lord; neither is the apostle greater than he that sent him.

:happy: remember this always
Romans: 1. 24. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

God bless us all always

:ty:

 

[Magenta]

from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Jesus said,

“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

Therefore I shall rejoice and be glad, for I am blessed, just as Jesus has said.

 

[Magenta]

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[fordman]

In 1895, Einstein sat the entrance examinations to get into the prestigious Federal Polytechnic School (or Academy) in Zurich, Switzerland. He did outstandingly well in physics and mathematics, but failed the non-science subjects, doing especially badly in French - so he was not accepted.

According to the Catholic logic just displayed, because Einstein failed French, we should find everything else he had to say on any other subject highly suspect. Oy!

Since we are quoting history, did you also know that Albert Einstein in his autobiography, wrote that, as a child, his nonobservant Jewish parents sent him to the nearest good school, which was, as it happened, a Catholic school? And he was, throughout primary grades, brought up in the spirit of Catholic school by the nuns, and he adored it?
　

And in reguards to world war two, Albert Einstein wrote: "Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty." (Ibid., 251)
　

"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.
Do you?
　



Pax Christi

 

[Magenta]

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Since we are quoting history, did you also know that Albert Einstein in his autobiography, wrote that, as a child, his nonobservant Jewish parents sent him to the nearest good school, which was, as it happened, a Catholic school? And he was, throughout primary grades, brought up in the spirit of Catholic school by the nuns, and he adored it?
　
And in reguards to world war two, Albert Einstein wrote: "Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty." (Ibid., 251)

But according to you, one minor error makes everything else a person says suspect. So, no, we cannot trust anything else he said even if it was sworn truth in his autobiography, and please keep in mind this is using your line of reasoning and logic, so... Gee, and it really does look like he lied, in saying that only the Catholic church protested against Hitler's onslaught against liberty. Wow. Blatant lie.

 

[Utah]

As a Catholic I am bound to follow Jesus. Not Jesus and Mary. There are many issues i do not agree with in the Catholic Church.

I stay in the Church because my friends and family are in the Church. If i was outside the Catholic Church they would not listen to what God has said in the Bible. I stay to bring the Gospel of Salvation to my family and friends.

I'll be praying God blesses you in all manner that you may indeed share the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and Him alone, with your family and friends.

 

[valiant]

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Since we are quoting history, did you also know that Albert Einstein in his autobiography, wrote that, as a child, his nonobservant Jewish parents sent him to the nearest good school, which was, as it happened, a Catholic school? And he was, throughout primary grades, brought up in the spirit of Catholic school by the nuns, and he adored it?

LOL you wish.
　

And in reguards to world war two, Albert Einstein wrote: "Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty." (Ibid., 251)

what a load of rubbish. everyone knows that the Roman Catholics cosied up to Hitler. and to suggest that others did not protest is mischievous. It is typical of the deceit of the Roman Catholic church.
　

"from henceforth, (says fordman) all generations shall call me a blessed nuisance."

 

[Magenta]

Much of the free "first" whole world rose up against Hitler, but the Catholic church is promoted as the only one that protested the onslaught against liberty. LOL. This is the type of baloney Catholics promote as truth in their haste to exalt themselves above others. Pat yourself on the back any more and you may hurt yourself. Please stop.

 

[Utah]

We are not to judge those who are outside of us. We ARE to judge those who is named a brother with us. Epostle is an Idolater and we are to judge him for that. We are to not have anything to do with an Idolater.

You thinking LonelyPilgrim has been totally influenced by Catholicism, not by the Holy Spirit.

We as True Christians who have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit can judge those who teach as doctrines the commandments of men.

God has said those who do this is because their Hearts are far from God. Your Heart LonelyPilgrim and epostles Heart are far from God and we do have the right to Judge you for this. You can claim all you want that we can not judge a person, but according to the Holy Spirit we do have a right to judge those who claim to be our brothers in Christ.

Not just a right to judge them accordingly, but also the responsibility.

 

[Utah]

I suppose, then, that God is wrong to command it?

And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. (Exodus 25:18ff.)

Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen and blue and purple and scarlet stuff; with cherubim skilfully worked shall you make them. (Exodus 26:1ff.)

And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” (Numbers 21:7-8)
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You didn't answer my question, sir. Is being devoted to your mother "idolatry"?

What part of the 2nd Commandment don't you understand? Apparently all of it.