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It is possible that the Pre Trib Rapture doctrine itself is the great deception
I don't think so as I am a pre trib believer. Not to derail this thread but my point was that when the rapture takes place how would it be explained away? As I see that the world has a fascination on other life forms and alien invasion would it be explained away like that? I know the bible says they will not believe in sound doctrine
But just what they believe is not clear enough to draw conclusions.
I don't think so as I am a pre trib believer. Not to derail this thread but my point was that when the rapture takes place how would it be explained away? As I see that the world has a fascination on other life forms and alien invasion would it be explained away like that? I know the bible says they will not believe in sound doctrine
But just what they believe is not clear enough to draw conclusions.
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Good day potterclay,
Regarding believers being caught up, the next event to take place after that would be the revealing of that antichrist when he makes his seven year covenant, and he will probably provide some unfavorable explanation as to what happened.
True that brother, as I said not a doctrine issue but just a thought as we see this new world order unfold.
Regarding believers being caught up, the next event to take place after that would be the revealing of that antichrist when he makes his seven year covenant, and he will probably provide some unfavorable explanation as to what happened.
True that brother, as I said not a doctrine issue but just a thought as we see this new world order unfold.
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I do not know whether or not it would be proper to call it The Great Deception; however, I do know "absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt" that - in a big way, "to extreme" - it has served to steer people away from the truth about the End Times Scenario and the Second Coming of Christ...
I also know - based on experience - that, in a split second, it can turn otherwise very nice calm easy-going people into monsters - ready to tear your head off - at the mere mention of the possibility that it might not be true.
This "anger reaction" that [ some ] people have -- cannot come from God -- it must come from Satan.
So -- if, by chance, you are a pre-trib person who reacts this way -- please consider the possibility that you may be reacting this way because Satan has talked you into believing a lie...
( And, when someone challenges that lie, you react the way Satan wants you to... )
IF you react to "pre-trib doctrine" discussion in a way that is largely different than the way you react to "other doctrine" discussions -- please consider what I have said here -- this reaction of which I speak is very real, and - what is behind it is not "righteous anger"...
Anything that is the opposite of the fruit of the Spirit ( Galations 5:22-23 ) -- guess where that comes from...
( Sorry, I do not mean to derail the thread; nor am I trying to "start something"; I just decided that this was a good time to say something that needed to be said. )
I also know - based on experience - that, in a split second, it can turn otherwise very nice calm easy-going people into monsters - ready to tear your head off - at the mere mention of the possibility that it might not be true.
This "anger reaction" that [ some ] people have -- cannot come from God -- it must come from Satan.
So -- if, by chance, you are a pre-trib person who reacts this way -- please consider the possibility that you may be reacting this way because Satan has talked you into believing a lie...
( And, when someone challenges that lie, you react the way Satan wants you to... )IF you react to "pre-trib doctrine" discussion in a way that is largely different than the way you react to "other doctrine" discussions -- please consider what I have said here -- this reaction of which I speak is very real, and - what is behind it is not "righteous anger"...
Anything that is the opposite of the fruit of the Spirit ( Galations 5:22-23 ) -- guess where that comes from...
( Sorry, I do not mean to derail the thread; nor am I trying to "start something"; I just decided that this was a good time to say something that needed to be said. )
This is correct and is exactly what the Lord told me when I got down on my hands and knees and cried out to him. The great deception causes people to do exactly what they did in the days of Noah; continue living life as normal instead of preparing like the wise virgins.
My hope for others is that they earnestly and humbly get down on their hands and knees and ask God what the great deception is and to ask him to give them the strength to overcome it.
I was a devout pre-trib believer when the Lord showed me the truth.
My hope for others is that they earnestly and humbly get down on their hands and knees and ask God what the great deception is and to ask him to give them the strength to overcome it.
I was a devout pre-trib believer when the Lord showed me the truth.
Read every scripture that is used to support the rapture doctrine. One thing you will notice is that there is always an event of great destruction that takes place during this "caught up" event. Some of them clearly state that people are removed as a result of the destruction. What happens when the body of one that sleeps in Jesus is destroyed? That person's spirit is "caught up" to Heaven.
1 Thessalonians 4 gives us comfort concerning those...
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4 gives us comfort concerning those...
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 tells why people will succumb to the great deception...
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
If we are to receive the love of the truth, we must be willing to learn what that is and accept it even if it wasn't what we wanted it to be.
Here are some scriptures and questions for us to consider as we seek to be lovers of the truth...
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
If we are to receive the love of the truth, we must be willing to learn what that is and accept it even if it wasn't what we wanted it to be.
Here are some scriptures and questions for us to consider as we seek to be lovers of the truth...
- In the case of an event of mass destruction like Noah's flood or the destruction of Sodom, which are “taken”; those killed or the survivors?
- Which are “left”; those killed or the survivors?
- In the following case, who was “taken” and who was “left”?
Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
- In the following case, who was “taken” and who was “left”?
Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
- Who could possibly return home to retrieve their things, a person that is “taken” or a person that is “left”?
Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 a In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away:
- Who could possibly return back to a field, a person that is “taken” or a person that is “left” ?
Luke 17:31 b and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
I do not know whether or not it would be proper to call it The Great Deception; however, I do know "absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt" that - in a big way, "to extreme" - it has served to steer people away from the truth about the End Times Scenario and the Second Coming of Christ...
I also know - based on experience - that, in a split second, it can turn otherwise very nice calm easy-going people into monsters - ready to tear your head off - at the mere mention of the possibility that it might not be true.
This "anger reaction" that [ some ] people have -- cannot come from God -- it must come from Satan.
So -- if, by chance, you are a pre-trib person who reacts this way -- please consider the possibility that you may be reacting this way because Satan has talked you into believing a lie... ( And, when someone challenges that lie, you react the way Satan wants you to... )
IF you react to "pre-trib doctrine" discussion in a way that is largely different than the way you react to "other doctrine" discussions -- please consider what I have said here -- this reaction of which I speak is very real, and - what is behind it is not "righteous anger"...
Anything that is the opposite of the fruit of the Spirit ( Galations 5:22-23 ) -- guess where that comes from...
( Sorry, I do not mean to derail the thread; nor am I trying to "start something"; I just decided that this was a good time to say something that needed to be said. )
I also know - based on experience - that, in a split second, it can turn otherwise very nice calm easy-going people into monsters - ready to tear your head off - at the mere mention of the possibility that it might not be true.
This "anger reaction" that [ some ] people have -- cannot come from God -- it must come from Satan.
So -- if, by chance, you are a pre-trib person who reacts this way -- please consider the possibility that you may be reacting this way because Satan has talked you into believing a lie...
( And, when someone challenges that lie, you react the way Satan wants you to... )IF you react to "pre-trib doctrine" discussion in a way that is largely different than the way you react to "other doctrine" discussions -- please consider what I have said here -- this reaction of which I speak is very real, and - what is behind it is not "righteous anger"...
Anything that is the opposite of the fruit of the Spirit ( Galations 5:22-23 ) -- guess where that comes from...
( Sorry, I do not mean to derail the thread; nor am I trying to "start something"; I just decided that this was a good time to say something that needed to be said. )
it has become almost Heresy to suggest any other scenario other than pre trib for some people even to the extent of having ones salvation doubted. I feel something is very wrong about this. It is a similar reaction you would get from Muslims by casting doubt concerning the Koran or Mohammed.
Interesting thread. Personally, I have a suspicion that the great deception is actually evolution. While I do have reasons for that, I won't go into great detail right now other than to say that Europe and North America were (not so long ago) predominantly Christianized regions. Enter evolution, and within a hundred years, they are "post-Christian". Sounds like a great deception to me.