Breaking News Terror In Paris

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Desdichado

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Would we call our ancestors terrorists too? Just curious since they came here, massacred, forced their religion on, and destroyed a large percentage of the Native American race.
Non sequitur.
 
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Bushido does make a good point in that Islam did not appear to implement terrorism parse prior to the 20th century. Largely because terrorism as we know it is a relatively modern phenomenon.

Extremist muslims and their sympathizers in our time are likely to endorse tactics of violent intimidation because violence and intimidation were essential to the formation of their religion and the first Caliphate. Though in the 600's their means of using violence to achieve political goals was more traditional- i.e. organized use of armies conquering territory and enforcing Sharia.

Shia Islam, one could argue, gave the world proto-terrorists with the hashshashin. While old Christendom did not shy away from use of rakes and ne'er-do-wells, it must be pointed out that organized guilds of that kind didn't exist. Not even in Muslim-occupied Spain.
The first act of islam and its prophet was to slaughter, murder, rape, kill and use fear to get its way (killing thousands of jews by the way)...now if you trying to judge the truth of what terrorism is by action..then clearly this religion was born in terror and has practiced terror since its start...Now if someone wants to pay games with words like when the modern use of a word ...Then I don't play word games. Bushido is just trying to ignore the facts to promote some stupid conspiracy theory that he watched on utube. Im sure made by some Islamic propagandist, to justify the murder and rape these monsters commit.
 
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Would we call our ancestors terrorists too? Just curious since they came here, massacred, forced their religion on, and destroyed a large percentage of the Native American race.
Yea I would and much more too just to be able to try to even come close to accurately describing the totality of reality. Curiously I have seen it argued modern western style terrorism starts with western horse culture Indians and cowboys. Bombing trains and banks, guerrilla gun fighting, Wild West bullcrap basically. I'd think them natives weren't like some lost tribe of Israel though. Don't blame white people; why couldn't their gods of stone or wood save them?

Bingo. It all hinges on the definition of terrorism. Violence and intimidation have been a part of Islam since Mohammed reared his head. That particular fact cannot be refuted.
Almost true, and this is the perspective of those that don't understand much about islam, but know enough that it is self-evidently evil. The problem is ironically all the Muhammad blame. Muhammad didn't write the Koran. Islamic and Arabic and Persian literature is high poetry indeed, but alas, very very tragic, it is hard to keep reading it sometimes. Still the attentive reader must notice in the various tale of Mohammad how he is habitually tortured by a supernatural being. It begs the question how much of islam is Muhammad's fault (and I am by no means saying he was a good guy, for indeed, he'd make some of the woody roman emperors cringe). Can a Christian pity Mohammad? Can a Christian hate Muhammad? Nay for Mohammad is dead and the dead wake no more until the last day.
 
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Mitspa, I'm not sure where you get your ideas...but it seems like you read and listen to nothing but satire news.

Paris had a terrorist attack. 130 people died and the over 350 injured.
The US had a terrorist attack 14 years ago and it killed over 2,500 people...

You're worried about Europe?

Unless you haven't been paying attention, France has stepped up security measures in a BIG way, and the rest of Europe is doing so too. Just like America did too. I very much doubt that anything will happen to Europe in the way you envision. It has survived WAY more than the US has when it comes to invaders, such as WWI and WWII, which happened on it's own soil.
Europe is history and will never be safe, because they have allowed in 100s of thousands of muslims.... this attack is just the start of the norm...it will not and cannot change unless these muslims and their radical mosque are purged from Europe. You guys have factories producing killers called "mosque" if the muslims are not already killers when they get there, they are soon turned into killers...and you left-wingers are not even in touch enough with reality to see the truth!
 
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Would we call our ancestors terrorists too? Just curious since they came here, massacred, forced their religion on, and destroyed a large percentage of the Native American race.
This is so silly.... comparing the pilgrams to Osama bin laden ... this is why left-wingers are going to get us all killed.
 

Desdichado

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Nay she has good points to consider sir.
Those facts can be debated when we have a functional definition of terrorism to work with and judged Islam accordingly.

Until then, debating Eastern v. Western moral equivalence is nearly irrelevant.
 

Desdichado

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The first act of islam and its prophet was to slaughter, murder, rape, kill and use fear to get its way (killing thousands of jews by the way)...now if you trying to judge the truth of what terrorism is by action..then clearly this religion was born in terror and has practiced terror since its start...Now if someone wants to pay games with words like when the modern use of a word ...Then I don't play word games. Bushido is just trying to ignore the facts to promote some stupid conspiracy theory that he watched on utube. Im sure made by some Islamic propagandist, to justify the murder and rape these monsters commit.
I think it all starts with historical narrative. If you believe that the history of the world has been dictated by Western elites, you will find a way to figure them into the equation.
 
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Oh please? no wonder you believe all this conspiracy nonsense ...you kinda make up the truth as you go along. You look it up...im sure they have some utube stuff on the history of Islam. At Christianity's worst ...even in the heresy of the RCC it could never be compared to Islam.
Lol I'm not really sure how anything I said was so absurd that you would have to be rude. At the same time you didn't even answer the question. Exactly what truth am I making up? I'm trying to be as factual as possible.
And looking at your other posts, PC isn't the same thing as just being a nice, polite dude.

haha and I think sticking expanding metal balls into someone's anus as a form of torture and burning people to death is slightly comparable to what Islamic governments do. Maybe we just have different pain thresholds for that kind of stuff.

This is so silly.... comparing the pilgrams to Osama bin laden ... this is why left-wingers are going to get us all killed.
This is not a left view as Anarchists share the same view.

How is burning people alive because they are suspected witches and genociding an entire continent full of people NOT like what Osama Bin Laden does? I'll wait.
 
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not to a thinking person...im sure this nonsense goes over well in a muslim chat room or a left-wing loon site?
Nay, but I think she had a poignant point in her last response to you whether you or even she realized it. It's all right to learn from the examples good and bad of other nations, but we ought clean our own backyard up first in regards to all this allowing in islam and this secularist nonsense crap before we start dictating to France.
 
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Europe is history and will never be safe, because they have allowed in 100s of thousands of muslims.... this attack is just the start of the norm...it will not and cannot change unless these muslims and their radical mosque are purged from Europe. You guys have factories producing killers called "mosque" if the muslims are not already killers when they get there, they are soon turned into killers...and you left-wingers are not even in touch enough with reality to see the truth!
I live in Europe, in the heart of Europe...I think I'm more in touch with reality than you are there dude. Get off those satire sites once in awhile...it might do you some good. There are killers everywhere in this world, stop saying it's all Muslims. I'm more likely to be killed by someone of non-Muslim faith than by an actual Muslim.

I REPEAT. EUROPE HAS MADE IT THROUGH. Heck, even Germany survived it's own worst enemy and is now one of the best countries in Europe to date. They have a lot of Muslims...

not to a thinking person...im sure this nonsense goes over well in a muslim chat room or a left-wing loon site?
Are you serious? One track minded much? Hmmmm...
 
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kaylagrl

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I live in Europe, in the heart of Europe...I think I'm more in touch with reality than you are there dude. Get off those satire sites once in awhile...it might do you some good. There are killers everywhere in this world, stop saying it's all Muslims. I'm more likely to be killed by someone of non-Muslim faith than by an actual Muslim.

I REPEAT. EUROPE HAS MADE IT THROUGH. Heck, even Germany survived it's own worst enemy and is now one of the best countries in Europe to date. They have a lot of Muslims...



Are you serious? One track minded much? Hmmmm...



Quote "Heck, even Germany survived it's own worst enemy and is now one of the best countries in Europe to date. They have a lot of Muslims...


Ya people thought the same about the Nazis once. In fact,I think it was....the Germans?! Not great judges of character there.
 
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Those facts can be debated when we have a functional definition of terrorism to work with and judged Islam accordingly.

Until then, debating Eastern v. Western moral equivalence is nearly irrelevant.
But we basically ARE debating Eastern and Western morals underneath it all...it all comes down to values, which most were created through religion. Our Western values steam from Christianity, whereas in the MIDDLE East, most come from Islam.

3/4 of this thread has been nothing but a big argument about good and bad Muslims, the things they do, and the things they believe in...different religion i.e. different morals (for SOME)
 
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I live in Europe, in the heart of Europe...I think I'm more in touch with reality than you are there dude. Get off those satire sites once in awhile...it might do you some good. There are killers everywhere in this world, stop saying it's all Muslims. I'm more likely to be killed by someone of non-Muslim faith than by an actual Muslim.

I REPEAT. EUROPE HAS MADE IT THROUGH. Heck, even Germany survived it's own worst enemy and is now one of the best countries in Europe to date. They have a lot of Muslims...



Are you serious? One track minded much? Hmmmm...
Just wait until they outbreed you and then put you and your children under sharia law.
 
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Quote "Heck, even Germany survived it's own worst enemy and is now one of the best countries in Europe to date. They have a lot of Muslims...


Ya people thought the same about the Nazis once. In fact,I think it was....the Germans?! Not great judges of character there.

Ugh...your point. It's not clear here...
 
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Just wait until they outbreed you and then put you and your children under sharia law.

Um, unless you have anything of worth to say, instead of trying to shoved a bunch of nonsense fear down my throat, I suggest that you don't respond to me.

What is with some of you saying: "Wait for them to kill you." "Wait for them to destroy you when there is this much and that much." What are you actually trying to do here? It's kind of like a threat...
 

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Um, unless you have anything of worth to say, instead of trying to shoved a bunch of nonsense fear down my throat, I suggest that you don't respond to me.

What is with some of you saying: "Wait for them to kill you." "Wait for them to destroy you when there is this much and that much." What are you actually trying to do here? It's kind of like a threat...


They are fear-mongering bullies, Glitter. Ignore them, and focus on keeping yourself safe.
 

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They are fear-mongering bullies, Glitter. Ignore them, and focus on keeping yourself safe.
Careful Blue. Saying such thing could cause Mitspa and company to accuse you of being a liberal, left-wing idiot that is trying to destroy this country.