Hyper grace

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sacrifice for sin was necessary under the old covenant

Offering of sacrifices is no longer necessary, but the one true sacrifice has not passed away. It abides still at the throne of mercy, its blood still washing away the guilt of our sins.

 

[crossnote]

Joseph smith was feeling down one day because of all the attacks he was receiving from inside the church due to the message he preached. He went into a bookstore and noticed a book by martin Lloyd jones. He opened it and read of his belief Jesus died for all your sin at Calvary.
I love the quote of his you have put up.
Jesus was accused by the religious of being a lawbreaker
One of the reasons Stephen was arrested and stoned to death was because he was supposedly ignoring the law
Paul said:

Brothers if I am still preaching circumcision( ie law) why am i still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been abolished gal5:11


The true persecution comes from inside the church( religious establishment) when grace is fully preached. It has always been this way. The accusation has always been the same
You are ignoring the law. In other words, you are preaching a licence to sin

Joseph Smith? If you are referring to the Mormon leader he lived 100 years before MLJ.

 

[crossnote]

These men listed are all wonderful men of God that speak of the great salvation and love that Jesus bought for us with His Blood. They lift up the name of Jesus when they tell of His wonderous works on our behalf! Jesus is always exalted in the true gospel of grace! It's all about Him and not us!

I read this persons take on the gospel of grace and again I have to say that I have listened to at least 1,000 sermons on grace over the years and I have never heard one say that we could go out and sin because of the grace of God. In fact they say the very opposite of what this man reports.

These men are in good company as they are with Paul about the preaching of the gospel of Christ!

One of the theologians he quotes about how cults work in the article - Martyn Lloyd-Jones himself believes in the gospel of God as taught by these men and he says this about the gospel of grace. Paul was "accused" of being antinomianism and so will every other true teacher of the gospel of grace.

Amen! Brothers and sisters - we truly have a wonderful salvation that our Lord Jesus bought for us with His Blood! He is awesome!!! The Lord has done great things for us and holy is His Name!

Martyn Lloyd Jones also wrote a book on the Sermon on the Mount showing how it applied to Christians. Im sure the HG people would be in full agreement. ROFL.

 

[james57]

Offering of sacrifices is no longer necessary, but the one true sacrifice has not passed away. It abides still at the throne of mercy, its blood still washing away the guilt of our sins.

Yes, so Heb10:18 refers to the new covenant, not the old, as does the preceding three verses

 

[crossnote]

Been to Hebrews often and am aware of Heb.12 and Prov.3, still, see no woodshed, no word "woodshed" and no concept of the Father being angry at me waiting to bounce the moment I step out of line. I see the Good Shepherd loving me.

Try the word 'scourge' or 'chastises'...

Hebrews 12:6 KJVS
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

 

[Grace777x70]

I absolutely love what the Lord says in Revelation 2 to the messenger assigned to the churches. It speaks volumes of the love and grace of our Lord!

Again...no where here does it say that we lose "fellowship" with the Lord in any of these scriptures. It actually proves that no matter our state He stills has fellowship with us as can be seen by His loving correction to us.

In referring to Romans 2:14-15 ....we were talking about that there were no scriptures that say the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin. Romans 2:1-15 is clearly talking about unbelievers. The foolish part I was referring to is that referring to the "cultic" part you all of a sudden changed to. The fact remains there are no scriptures that say the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin. He convicts us of our righteousness in Christ because He has gone to the Father. He is our righteousness! It's awesome!

How can you be so foolish?

But I hold [this] against you: that you have left your first love. Revelation 2:4

But I hold a few [things] against you: that you have there those who hold fast to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat food sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality. Revelation 2:14

But I hold against you that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, the one who calls herself a prophetess, and teaches and deceives my slaves to commit sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. Revelation 2:20​

Of course there is. Obtuse ears can't hear it though.

 

[crossnote]

It is difficult for Christians like me who have been raised in a certain way to grasp this amazing truth. It still amazes me how Christ has IMPUTED His righteousness to us and our sin was IMPUTED to Him. He who knew no sin became sin for us. We who could do no righteousness were given the gift of the righteousness of Christ. It's all about IMPUTATION and all that means. I'm only beginning to get this and each time I apply it to my Christian life, it becomes another revelation of what Jesus has done for us.

It is scary for humans to put their trust in someone or take something they have not done anything to earn. Many believers have never heard of the word IMPUTATION. The concept is totally foreign.

That's an important base, but there is also the process of sanctification, where God is actively cleansing and purging us.

 

[crossnote]

The only way we can grasp and take in truth is by 'repenting' and having our minds changed..transformed. We put off the old and put on the new. To say this is a common practice with cults is like saying "eating lunch is a common practice with cults., don't you understand you are doing the same thing the cults do by eating lunch too!!!!!!! STOP don't eat lunch!!!!!"

Come come now folks, stop dismissing something you refuse to process because it goes against your 1st understanding. We will always be learning new truths from the Bible and the HolySpirit will open many deeper truths when we start to feed on the the Bible and allow the Teacher to come in knowing He will not lead us astray. But if we refuse to be open to Him, we shut the door and He will not force us to accept the bread of life even if we are headed down a stupid path on our own, He will not force us to believe.

The traditions of men is a strong pull. We have our security in what we have become familiar with. But when we allow the HolySpirit to actually lead us., "out of your belly will flow RIVERS OF LIVING WATER"

Not all of us were raised under legalism so we don't have a knee jerk reaction against anything that has been taught us in the past.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen! He sat down because there is no more sacrifice needed for sin. Sin is a non-issue. Jesus took away all the sins of the world even all the sins you will commit in the future!

Do you know why God says " I will remember your sins no more?" It's because it is not there in His eyes. The blood of Jesus took it away. Why are we so slow to believe in the finished work of Jesus? The forgiveness of sins is a done deal!

Offering of sacrifices is no longer necessary, but the one true sacrifice has not passed away. It abides still at the throne of mercy, its blood still washing away the guilt of our sins.

 

[james57]

Amen! He sat down because there is no more sacrifice needed for sin. Sin is a non-issue. Jesus took away all the sins of the world even all the sins you will commit in the future!

Do you know why God says " I will remember your sins no more?" It's because it is not there in His eyes. The blood of Jesus took it away. Why are we so slow to believe in the finished work of Jesus? The forgiveness of sins is a done deal!

For by one sacrifice he made forever perfect, all those who are being made holy Heb 10:14

 

[Grace777x70]

Beautiful scripture! The word "chasten" means to child-train and God deals with us with His word to our spirit. This area has already been dealt with in this thread. If interested you can go back and read it. it'll bless you I'm sure.

We have a good, good Father!

Try the word 'scourge' or 'chastises'...

Hebrews 12:6 KJVS
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

 

[Grace777x70]

Graced based believing absolutely love the sermon on the mount that Jesus gave! Beautiful! Jesus was the greatest law preacher and the greatest grace teacher! To those who were trusting in their keeping of the Law...He gave them Law elevated! To those that knew they had no trust within themselves - He gave them grace! It's beautiful to watch our Lord speak truth! We love Him!

remember - don't take someone else's medicine!

Martyn Lloyd Jones also wrote a book on the Sermon on the Mount showing how it applied to Christians. Im sure the HG people would be in full agreement. ROFL.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Amen! He sat down because there is no more sacrifice needed for sin. Sin is a non-issue. Jesus took away all the sins of the world even all the sins you will commit in the future!

Do you know why God says " I will remember your sins no more?" It's because it is not there in His eyes. The blood of Jesus took it away. Why are we so slow to believe in the finished work of Jesus? The forgiveness of sins is a done deal!

This is where you err. The slaying of the sacrifice happened once, but the sacrifice himself now sits on the mercy seat. The blood of the sacrifice is still effectual; it hasn't gone away or ceased from doing its work.

Where is it said that Christ took away (past tense) sins? It isn't. He is in the process of taking away sin. He has merely destroyed the power of sin.

 

[crossnote]

Hebrews 10:15-18 was NOT said to those under the old covenant.

The days are coming,”(they are not there yet) declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenantwith the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[SUP][d][/SUP] them,[SUP][e][/SUP]”
declares the Lord.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts Jeremiah 31:31-33

I always wonder why Jesus is naming the Church's sins...one by one in Revelation chaptersb2 and 3. hmmm.

 

[james57]

But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself Heb9:26

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I absolutely love what the Lord says in Revelation 2 to the messenger assigned to the churches. It speaks volumes of the love and grace of our Lord!

Again...no where here does it say that we lose "fellowship" with the Lord in any of these scriptures. It actually proves that no matter our state He stills has fellowship with us as can be seen by His loving correction to us.

In referring to Romans 2:14-15 ....we were talking about that there were no scriptures that say the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin. Romans 2:1-15 is clearly talking about unbelievers. The foolish part I was referring to is that referring to the "cultic" part you all of a sudden changed to. The fact remains there are no scriptures that say the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin. He convicts us of our righteousness in Christ because He has gone to the Father. He is our righteousness! It's awesome!

You're conflating fellowship with relationship. Sin bad enough against a friend and your fellowship with him will cease until things are made right, even though the relationship remains. No different with GOD.

 

[james57]

I always wonder why Jesus is naming the Church's sins...one by one in Revelation chaptersb2 and 3. hmmm.

You must enlighten me as to what connects your comment and Jeremiah 31:31-33

 

[Grace777x70]

That is so true about all of us not being brought up in legalism! Great point! In fact the 2 people that Jesus said had the greatest faith were both non-jews - the syrophoenician woman and the centurion. What they had in common was - they were never taught the law so they had no prior religious beliefs to contaminate them.

Not all of us were raised under legalism so we don't have a knee jerk reaction against anything that has been taught us in the past.

 

[crossnote]

WOW! I want to go back to the Old Covenant as it sounds so much better. In the New Covenant Jesus remembers our sins?? There are just so many scriptures that go against that thought let alone any scriptures that agree with that statement.

There is no scripture that says in the New Covenant we "lose fellowship" with the Lord. This is a common religious statement which diminishes the gospel of grace. We are Light in the Lord. Again why are we so sin-focused? Why don't we believe that Jesus has taken our sins away as it says in so many scriptures? Why are we so slow to believe in the finished work of Christ?

So, it is "cultic" to believe that unbelievers know within them that they are doing wrong as romans 2:14-16 talks about? Don't answer that as it is a foolish question at best and does nothing to talk about the grace of our Lord in our lives.

Perhaps not lose fellowship if you count his chastisements fellowship...but there seem to be some in the HG camp that have trouble with the woodshed experience. Ouch.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself Heb9:26

But this hasn't been accomplished yet. The high priest is still in the holy of holies making reconciliation for the sins of the people. Think day of atonement. Sin does not get removed from the congregation until it is placed on the scapegoat and sent away. That hasn't happened yet. We are yet dealing with sin.