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charisenexcelcis

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Fine, the entire world can send back the false paper Fed Reserve Notes, and the Fed Reserve can give back all the silver, gold, land, property and business it has stolen.

Have you ever stolen what does not belong to you? It must be returned, render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's give back all that you have stolen through fraud, and the people can give back the printed paper notes to criminals from which they came, you cannot issue a piece of paper in exchange for tangible real wealth and then ask for interest on top of what was already stolen, that is usury and theft.
And some tax collectors also came to be baptized, and they said to him, "Teacher, what shall we do?" and he said to them, "Collect no more than what you have been ordered to." Luke 3:12-13.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Imagine someone dedicating their lives to the theft of what does not belong to them, spreading misery and poverty through fraud and deception over the entire earth, bankrupting entire nations, causing the starvation, impoverishment, death, imprisonment and hardship for 100's of millions if not billions of people, practicing the condemned abomination of usury and false payment, and then they have the audacity to state that they are Christians serving God! The hypocrisy is astounding.
Imagine someone dedicating their life to fearmongering, racism, hatefilled blogging, slander, ignorance and narcissism. Oh what slavery they would be living in.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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And some tax collectors also came to be baptized, and they said to him, "Teacher, what shall we do?" and he said to them, "Collect no more than what you have been ordered to." Luke 3:12-13.
And what is ordered to you by God?

Can Christians use a false weight as payment? Can a Christian steal?

Can a Christian charge a fellow Christian interest on a loan? Is payment in paper legal transfer of wealth?

Where is your Jubillee? Where is the Law that God provided? You do not follow it and yet you attribute it to yourself and account that for service, and that is hypocrisy.

Look on your paper idol, it says 'In God We Trust' however according to the American Constitution and Biblical law silver and gold are payment, not paper, that is why silver dollars had 'In God's We Trust', because it was legal, your measure and payment is false, you are a fraud, an unrepentent fraud!
You are guilty of blasphemy, you put God's Holy Name to filthy rag used for the abomination of theft and usury, so you are guilty of blasphemy and theft and worship of false idols.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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And what is ordered to you by God?

Can Christians use a false weight as payment? Can a Christian steal?

Can a Christian charge a fellow Christian interest on a loan? Is payment in paper legal transfer of wealth?

Where is your Jubillee? Where is the Law that God provided? You do not follow it and yet you attribute it to yourself and account that for service, and that is hypocrisy.

Look on your paper idol, it says 'In God We Trust' however according to the American Constitution and Biblical law silver and gold are payment, not paper, that is why silver dollars had 'In God's We Trust', because it was legal, your measure and payment is false, you are a fraud, an unrepentent fraud!
You are guilty of blasphemy, you put God's Holy Name to filthy rag used for the abomination of theft and usury, so you are guilty of blasphemy and theft and worship of false idols.
You are really a sad man. "It is what proceeds out of a man's mouth that defiles him". "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."
I'm curious, do you pay all your bills in gold and silver?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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You are really a sad man. "It is what proceeds out of a man's mouth that defiles him". "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."
I'm curious, do you pay all your bills in gold and silver?
All fiat currencies are convertable into real money which is silver and gold, during my life all payment I recieve I turn into silver and gold, I can then purchase anything I want with that money because it is real money, I can convert silver and gold into any currency on earth in the space of a few minutes, it is far more liquid then paper fiat government issued debt. My purchasing power just increases over time as currencies come and go and fluctuate to the whim of bankers and politians, God's money, which all belongs to Him Haggai 2:8, remains money at all times. I make payment in silver and gold which is easily converted into any currency and I take payment in silver and gold because any fiat paper payment is immediately converted to precious metal - silver and gold.

Deuteronomy 25:13-15
Proverbs 20:10
Exodus 20:15
Galatians 6:7
Luke 16:10-12
Dueteronomy 23:19
Luke 6:35
Genesis 2:12
Proverbs 22:7.

You do realize that final settlement has been and always will be silver and gold in an economic exchange, that is the law of God. They're non-corruptable metals that cannot be counterfeited.

There is no problem issuing a paper payment as long as its backed by metal and there is no interest applied, if you apply interest that is usury, and if pay without a silver and gold backing that is fraud, that is why the Federal Reserve is a fraud and practice usury.

If a government wants payment in their own fiat currency, one can simply render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and not break God's laws, to anybody who wants to render unto God what is His, either demand payment in metal, if they refuse by inacting wordly law, I have the right to take what they offer for my service and labour and exchange it to silver and gold, that way I keep my wealth in silver and gold and cannot fall victim to inflation, taxation or debt.
 
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How do you buy and sell metals do they get delivered to your house or are they stored somewhere in a bank and you have a piece of paper saying that you own it?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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How do you buy and sell metals do they get delivered to your house or are they stored somewhere in a bank and you have a piece of paper saying that you own it?
They can be delivered to my house or saftey deposit boxes or wherever I want it sent, I deal with individuals all over the world, silver and gold demand worldwide is huge, to this very day the largest transactions on international markets in monetary terms are made in the metals markets, not oil, not Gov. Bonds but Silver and Gold, silver and gold are final payment, that is it. There are several large wholesale dealers and depositries in Australia, Perth Mint being the biggest, physical metal can be bought in bullion form and stored in their vault or in can be delivered anywhere you want, I can arrange delivery to most places in the world, silver and gold in most countries cannot be taxed, neither does it need to be declared, it can be leased out, or premiums can be made just on the buying and selling alone, so the metal is always in demand.

Recently most mints round the world have increased production to record levels, they are working 24/7 and cannot keep up with demand, the US Mint recently sold out of all its silver eagle bullion coins in only 2 weeks in amounts several times larger than previous years, the demand rises unabated, India recently bought 200 tonnes of gold, all Gov. and central banks are now net buyers, needless to say the mines cannot keep up.
 
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greatkraw

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you remind me of a feminist professor I saw on tv

every bad thing that happens - blame the men

with you ; every bad thing that happens - blame the zionists

Definition of Zionism: Believing that God gave the land to the descendants of Abraham.

God is a Zionist
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Silver and Gold are used in all aspects of civilization, from mirrors, to photography, from medical to industrial, military, etc....T.V.'s, iPods, mobile phones, electrical circuits, medicine, hygiene, solar cells, jewelry, cars and machinery, energy converters, pots, pans, missiles, everything, the uses are endless, there is no corrosion, there is no better way to conduct energy.

Why do you think God is building New Jerusalem out of solid gold?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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you remind me of a feminist professor I saw on tv

every bad thing that happens - blame the men

with you ; every bad thing that happens - blame the zionists

Definition of Zionism: Believing that God gave the land to the descendants of Abraham.

God is a Zionist
Arab Muslims and Christians are descended from Abraham.

Most Jews are from Ashkenaz - Gomer.

You got the wrong people.

In fact half the worlds population is descended from father Abraham, how are we all going to fit into Palestine?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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you remind me of a feminist professor I saw on tv

every bad thing that happens - blame the men

with you ; every bad thing that happens - blame the zionists

Definition of Zionism: Believing that God gave the land to the descendants of Abraham.

God is a Zionist
Judaism is not a race, is Elizabeth Taylor entitled to the land and houses of Palestinians?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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All fiat currencies are convertable into real money which is silver and gold, during my life all payment I recieve I turn into silver and gold, I can then purchase anything I want with that money because it is real money, I can convert silver and gold into any currency on earth in the space of a few minutes, it is far more liquid then paper fiat government issued debt. My purchasing power just increases over time as currencies come and go and fluctuate to the whim of bankers and politians, God's money, which all belongs to Him Haggai 2:8, remains money at all times. I make payment in silver and gold which is easily converted into any currency and I take payment in silver and gold because any fiat paper payment is immediately converted to precious metal - silver and gold.

Deuteronomy 25:13-15
Proverbs 20:10
Exodus 20:15
Galatians 6:7
Luke 16:10-12
Dueteronomy 23:19
Luke 6:35
Genesis 2:12
Proverbs 22:7.

You do realize that final settlement has been and always will be silver and gold in an economic exchange, that is the law of God. They're non-corruptable metals that cannot be counterfeited.

There is no problem issuing a paper payment as long as its backed by metal and there is no interest applied, if you apply interest that is usury, and if pay without a silver and gold backing that is fraud, that is why the Federal Reserve is a fraud and practice usury.

If a government wants payment in their own fiat currency, one can simply render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and not break God's laws, to anybody who wants to render unto God what is His, either demand payment in metal, if they refuse by inacting wordly law, I have the right to take what they offer for my service and labour and exchange it to silver and gold, that way I keep my wealth in silver and gold and cannot fall victim to inflation, taxation or debt.
There are four kinds of gold and silver standards:
1. Issue coinage in gold and silver
2. Exchange currancy for gold and silver
3. Stockpile gold and silver, thus value of total dollars equal total value of gold and silver.
4. Purchase gold and silver at a set price thus linking the currancy with the value of gold and silver.
The last was the standard from the early 1900's to 1977. US purchased gold for $35.00 per ounce. The other nations of the world then set their currancies values based upon the dollar. Since 1977 no nation has been on the gold standard because there is not enough gold on the planet to support the amount of currancy in circulation. You are simply buying and selling gold. The currancy that you use is not backed by gold. You are participating in the very acts that you are condemning me for and you are a hypocrite by pretending that you aren't. Try this, take your money to the central bank of the government of New Zealand and ask them to exchange it for gold or silver. So, every time that you recieve money and everytime you give money, you are guilty of collaborating with this banking cabal that you believe exists.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Silver and Gold are used in all aspects of civilization, from mirrors, to photography, from medical to industrial, military, etc....T.V.'s, iPods, mobile phones, electrical circuits, medicine, hygiene, solar cells, jewelry, cars and machinery, energy converters, pots, pans, missiles, everything, the uses are endless, there is no corrosion, there is no better way to conduct energy.

Why do you think God is building New Jerusalem out of solid gold?
Do you believe that God is building the New Jerusalem out of God because He doesn't want it to rust? Do you think that God cannot prevent rust? Perhaps it is made out of gold to remind us that all earthly riches are vanity.
 

superdave5221

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Ahh so yea, you admit that your an American that really serves political Zionism and the state of Israel, you are literally a Zionist agent and a traitor to your own country, and your not a Christian, you're just a ex-secular government tax collector who pretands to serve the Lord while seving mammon, you don't even know what you are, thats how blind you are.

You get paid, in Federal Reserve Notes, thats a illegal unconstitutional paper idol printed by jewish bankers, you are literally a paid employee of the Federal Reserve which is the economic division of political Zion i.e. Babylon, you bow down and serve your false idol, and pay God mere lip service, ye hypocrite!
Wow, I didn't know that Nelson Aldrich was Jewish. Or Frank Vanderlip, or Ben Strong, Paul Warburg, John Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan. They were all Jewish? Those were the guys that set up the Federal Reserve. Admittedly, the Fed is a banking cartel, which is illegal under the constitution, but where did Israel come into this. They were not even a state when the Fed was born.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Wow, I didn't know that Nelson Aldrich was Jewish. Or Frank Vanderlip, or Ben Strong, Paul Warburg, John Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan. They were all Jewish? Those were the guys that set up the Federal Reserve. Admittedly, the Fed is a banking cartel, which is illegal under the constitution, but where did Israel come into this. They were not even a state when the Fed was born.
Federal Reserve Bank is owned by a consortium;

1. Rothschilds Banks of London.
2. Lazard Brother Banks of Paris
3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
5. Lehman Brothers
6. Kuhn, Loeb, Bank.
7. Goldman Sacks
8. National Bank of Commerce, Morgan Guarantee Trust (Pricipal share holders; J.P. Morgan, Levi P. Mortan)
9. Hanover Trust (William and David Rockefeller and Chase National Bank)

here:
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

and here:
http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy27.htm
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Federal Reserve Bank is owned by a consortium;

1. Rothschilds Banks of London.
2. Lazard Brother Banks of Paris
3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
5. Lehman Brothers
6. Kuhn, Loeb, Bank.
7. Goldman Sacks
8. National Bank of Commerce, Morgan Guarantee Trust (Pricipal share holders; J.P. Morgan, Levi P. Mortan)
9. Hanover Trust (William and David Rockefeller and Chase National Bank)

here:
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

and here:
http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy27.htm
The Federal Reserve Bank is owned wholy by the U.S. Government. This list is merely conspiracy theory. the fact that you build this from pieces from whacko sites doesn't do anything other than reflect on your judgement.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Federal Reserve Bank is owned by a consortium;

1. Rothschilds Banks of London.
2. Lazard Brother Banks of Paris
3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
5. Lehman Brothers
6. Kuhn, Loeb, Bank.
7. Goldman Sacks
8. National Bank of Commerce, Morgan Guarantee Trust (Pricipal share holders; J.P. Morgan, Levi P. Mortan)
9. Hanover Trust (William and David Rockefeller and Chase National Bank)

here:
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

and here:
http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy27.htm
Do you realize that none of the banks (real or imaginary) ranks among the largest fifty banks of the world?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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There are four kinds of gold and silver standards:
1. Issue coinage in gold and silver
2. Exchange currancy for gold and silver
3. Stockpile gold and silver, thus value of total dollars equal total value of gold and silver.
4. Purchase gold and silver at a set price thus linking the currancy with the value of gold and silver.
The last was the standard from the early 1900's to 1977. US purchased gold for $35.00 per ounce. The other nations of the world then set their currancies values based upon the dollar. Since 1977 no nation has been on the gold standard because there is not enough gold on the planet to support the amount of currancy in circulation. You are simply buying and selling gold. The currancy that you use is not backed by gold. You are participating in the very acts that you are condemning me for and you are a hypocrite by pretending that you aren't. Try this, take your money to the central bank of the government of New Zealand and ask them to exchange it for gold or silver. So, every time that you recieve money and everytime you give money, you are guilty of collaborating with this banking cabal that you believe exists.
You are right that no country is on a gold standard because they can therefore print as much paper money as they like, this in turn inflates the fiat money supply, leading to inflation, which is devaluation of currency because more and more paper is printed which is basically a hidden tax, over time the currency is devalued because the government completely unbound by any dicipline can simply print as much as its likes, this eventually leads to hyper-inflation and currency collapse.

Gov. and central banks will artificially set low gold prices to increase the purchasing power of their currency, which gives them power of their territory, he who can control the money supply can control the territory, fiat currency is attractive to the Satanic mind because it can be counterfeited, produced cheaply at will in whatever amount needs be, gold cannot, fiat currecny is the debt burden of slaves and gold is the currency of kings and God.

People like you have been brainwashed your entire life, it would be difficult for me to change your mode of thinking unless the Spirit of Truth testifies to you, which from what I have heard of you does not appear to happen, when truth is presented to you, you just sink deeper into your own ignorance and lies.
 

superdave5221

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Whereas I disagree with much of what you said on this thread, I must agree on the evils of the Federal Reserve. When the Fed was first set up, everyone knew that it was a banking cartel, (everyone meaning the insiders), but they were able to get Congress to accept it for the same reason that our Liberal policicians have passed a lot of unconstitutional laws, it is for the good of the people. Unfortunately, the Fed, like most such legislation, is not really for the good of the people. In the Fed's case, it was for the good of the big bankers. A close look at the Fed's track record will show that it was not intended to prevent large scale bank failures, as fed (no pun intended) to Congress and the American people. That track record includes stock market crashes in 1919, 1929, Great Depression 1929-39, recessions in '53, '57, '69, '75, and '81, Black Monday in '87, the current crisis, and more than 1000% inflation over that period.

The originial framers of this legislation included Paul M. Warburg, at the time a partner in Kuhn. Loeb, & Co., and he was also a representative of the Rothschilds and also the Warburg banking consortium. This is interesting. I must look into this further. Thanks for the info.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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You are right that no country is on a gold standard because they can therefore print as much paper money as they like, this in turn inflates the fiat money supply, leading to inflation, which is devaluation of currency because more and more paper is printed which is basically a hidden tax, over time the currency is devalued because the government completely unbound by any dicipline can simply print as much as its likes, this eventually leads to hyper-inflation and currency collapse.

Gov. and central banks will artificially set low gold prices to increase the purchasing power of their currency, which gives them power of their territory, he who can control the money supply can control the territory, fiat currency is attractive to the Satanic mind because it can be counterfeited, produced cheaply at will in whatever amount needs be, gold cannot, fiat currecny is the debt burden of slaves and gold is the currency of kings and God.

People like you have been brainwashed your entire life, it would be difficult for me to change your mode of thinking unless the Spirit of Truth testifies to you, which from what I have heard of you does not appear to happen, when truth is presented to you, you just sink deeper into your own ignorance and lies.
So do you pay your bills in gold? Or are you using fiat currency? Do you allow people to come to you with the currancy that you have given them and trade it for gold? For you to be honest, you must have dollar for dollar as much gold as needed to honestly redeem ever bit of currancy you have ever used.