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I am on my phone.
Will look it up later,post the verses,AGAIN ,all for nothing,because a Berean would dig it out for themselves.
It clearly says all humanoids die refusing the mark.
What your defense is,is"well that is not worldwide,it is just a local thing"
That would be a good postrib answer to twist it for your doctrine,....not that it's not in there.
It's in there
But you can't find it......er,uh,...won't
Will look it up later,post the verses,AGAIN ,all for nothing,because a Berean would dig it out for themselves.
It clearly says all humanoids die refusing the mark.
What your defense is,is"well that is not worldwide,it is just a local thing"
That would be a good postrib answer to twist it for your doctrine,....not that it's not in there.
It's in there
But you can't find it......er,uh,...won't
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DP,
I am not giving up on you yet
. You have not been deceived by this rapture nonsense so let see if you can follow this. I am going to show in the next few slides how Mecca is the Great City which gets nuked (by radical Islamists no less) and how it all fits.
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Uh,Jesus said something about those "where is the promise of his coming" last days preachers.
even the foolish virgins awaited his coming.
BTW,your scenario has left out the bride/groom dimension and his imminent return.
What's going on with that omission?
I am not giving up on you yet
. You have not been deceived by this rapture nonsense so let see if you can follow this. I am going to show in the next few slides how Mecca is the Great City which gets nuked (by radical Islamists no less) and how it all fits.View attachment 140784
Uh,Jesus said something about those "where is the promise of his coming" last days preachers.
even the foolish virgins awaited his coming.
BTW,your scenario has left out the bride/groom dimension and his imminent return.
What's going on with that omission?
P
The thing is PW has many things right.
He misses it in the dot connection realm.
The AC will be the embodiment of Satan or his princes. So,he is ultra slick,and half the world ,minimum,already worships him.
The Jews voted for Obama even when he told them he wanted to kick their teeth out.
So the Jews will certainly embrace a Muslim,they already did in Obama.
He misses it in the dot connection realm.
The AC will be the embodiment of Satan or his princes. So,he is ultra slick,and half the world ,minimum,already worships him.
The Jews voted for Obama even when he told them he wanted to kick their teeth out.
So the Jews will certainly embrace a Muslim,they already did in Obama.
P
Not what I am saying.
I am saying he does come as s thief as do you
We are not disagreeing.
Where you miss it is cramming the thief description into an army and general that takes nothing and has nothing concerning a thief about his return with his saints.
By leaving out the gathering of the bride,you resort to these wild interpretations.
You completely missed the tactics I am illustrating.
YOU GUYS ATTEMPT TO BELITTLE us with "secret rapture"
Now we see your camp has another quandry in that to place "thief" on a billion horse army with a general so bright he's destroys humanoids is ,I'm fact,a hilarious,IMPOSSIBILITY.
who would in their right mind,belittle a concept that ascribes "secret" to a thief?
Thus you guys continue to paint yourself into corners.
I am saying he does come as s thief as do you
We are not disagreeing.
Where you miss it is cramming the thief description into an army and general that takes nothing and has nothing concerning a thief about his return with his saints.
By leaving out the gathering of the bride,you resort to these wild interpretations.
You completely missed the tactics I am illustrating.
YOU GUYS ATTEMPT TO BELITTLE us with "secret rapture"
Now we see your camp has another quandry in that to place "thief" on a billion horse army with a general so bright he's destroys humanoids is ,I'm fact,a hilarious,IMPOSSIBILITY.
who would in their right mind,belittle a concept that ascribes "secret" to a thief?
Thus you guys continue to paint yourself into corners.
It's not about the sons of Ishmael specifically. It's about those who refuse Christ Jesus that do iniquity. That's who the bondwoman really represents. Read the last few verses of Isaiah 19. God said Egypt and Assyria and Israel will each be one third in His future Kingdom, and there will be a highway stretching through them, connecting them.
Just as many orthodox Jews will convert to Christ Jesus during His future "thousand years" reign, many of the peoples of Ishmael will also when our Lord Jesus returns to take rule over all peoples.
So in the essence of the parable of the tares of the field, Ishmael has tares among them too causing them to be deceived, just as the orthodox Jews do also, and just as we do too among the Christian West, and that's how the majority will be deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Just as many orthodox Jews will convert to Christ Jesus during His future "thousand years" reign, many of the peoples of Ishmael will also when our Lord Jesus returns to take rule over all peoples.
So in the essence of the parable of the tares of the field, Ishmael has tares among them too causing them to be deceived, just as the orthodox Jews do also, and just as we do too among the Christian West, and that's how the majority will be deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Still, you're too focused on radical Islam just because of the battles going on today. Those things will end when the Antichrist shows up. That's what our Lord Jesus showed when He said there will be wars and rumours of wars, but the end is not yet, meaning the very end is going to be a time opposite of war, and instead of world peace, the end of all wars, i.e., the "Peace and safety" of Apostle Paul.
The coming Antichrist, or actually pseudo-Christ per the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, is coming to power in Jerusalem, not Mecca. Jerusalem is where the center of control will be by Satan's host for the tribulation. That's the area God said He will dwell forever, and that's why Lucifer wants it for his own. You may not see that possibility yet today, but wait for it. It will be fulfilled like God's Word reveals. This is why God is sending His two witnesses to Jerusalem to prophesy against the beast, and not to Mecca.
Some Islamic clerics have already said that the Jewish state is valid, as they had those lands before, and they have already agreed the Jews have right to build a temple. But you're not hearing much media coverage of that because the synagogue of Satan is manipulating today's media sources to build fear in people's hearts because of radical Islam. The Luciferians are those who are trying to stir up the peoples today, and it looks like they want another world war.
The coming Antichrist, or actually pseudo-Christ per the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, is coming to power in Jerusalem, not Mecca. Jerusalem is where the center of control will be by Satan's host for the tribulation. That's the area God said He will dwell forever, and that's why Lucifer wants it for his own. You may not see that possibility yet today, but wait for it. It will be fulfilled like God's Word reveals. This is why God is sending His two witnesses to Jerusalem to prophesy against the beast, and not to Mecca.
Some Islamic clerics have already said that the Jewish state is valid, as they had those lands before, and they have already agreed the Jews have right to build a temple. But you're not hearing much media coverage of that because the synagogue of Satan is manipulating today's media sources to build fear in people's hearts because of radical Islam. The Luciferians are those who are trying to stir up the peoples today, and it looks like they want another world war.
The holy place Jesus mentioned is... about the temple in Jerusalem. That was specifically what He was pointing His disciples to while on the Mount of Olives overlooking the Temple Mount. It's certainly not the Dome of The Rock, that has never been Israel's holy of holies.
Antiochus IV set the blueprint for what the coming Antichrist will do. Around 165 B.C., Antiochus IV took Jerusalem, went inside the 2nd temple, sacrificed swine upon the altar and spread its broth inside around the temple, and then setup an idol to Zeus, commanding all to bow in worship to it. That's is specifically what the "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel is about, as that prophecy given to Daniel was about Jerusalem and her people, not Ishmael and Mecca.
Antiochus IV set the blueprint for what the coming Antichrist will do. Around 165 B.C., Antiochus IV took Jerusalem, went inside the 2nd temple, sacrificed swine upon the altar and spread its broth inside around the temple, and then setup an idol to Zeus, commanding all to bow in worship to it. That's is specifically what the "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel is about, as that prophecy given to Daniel was about Jerusalem and her people, not Ishmael and Mecca.
:smoke: do not watch only
but watchfully observe all this things . ...
* so that if we want to look
we should look to work out our salvation
for somehow we could see
the deception
`∞` and if we want to listen
we should listen to the faith of his disciples
for somehow we could heard
the good news of the true gospel of christ
:happy: same as always but
:dontknow: until this day why we cant even imagine
the exact location of the blessed thief
if he was nailed from the right side or left of the cross for
our lord jesus christ is in the middle and
:think: how come one of those two thiefs on the cross
suddenly had a change of heart if that thief
has not even saw the faith of
our lord jesus christ in his teachings
nor heard him working with the sinners
for their salvations
:read:
Luke: 23. 34. Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
35. And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
36. And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,
37. And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.
38. And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39. And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41. And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
``Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?``
:scarf: as they say
there once a thief in this world who steal the hearts of many
:glasses: while also being nailed unto the cross
:rofl: then went to paradise after the great tribulation
:yawn: and that is a once in a life time chance only
"Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."
8) expect the unexpected :hihihi:
Amos: 5. 16. Therefore the LORD, the God of hosts, the Lord, saith thus; Wailing shall be in all streets; and they shall say in all the highways, Alas! alas! and they shall call the husbandman to mourning, and such as are skilful of lamentation to wailing.
17. And in all vineyards shall be wailing: for I will pass through thee, saith the LORD.
18. Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19. As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20. Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
:smoke: we are not telling this to make the people unfaithful to their beliefs
but to warn everyone that if this day would come
everyone wiil be ready especially to those people who has a different faiths
inside their own family like most of oyr fellows whose families were still beyond
the traditions of different religions . . . ..
and it is saddest part of our life (if we are destined to experienced it)
if we learn that we cannot do anything for our loveones when that time comes . ...
:read:
Ezekiel: 14. 14. Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
: : would anyone be so greatful and ful of joy at the same time if they learn
that its only them who has a pure of heart and soul will be saved at that time
and all those who remains shall be tested from the things that even us cant do
anything when everything shall done according to
what is written
:read:
Matthew: 24. 21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
God bless us all always
:ty:
but watchfully observe all this things . ...
* so that if we want to look
we should look to work out our salvation
for somehow we could see
the deception
`∞` and if we want to listen
we should listen to the faith of his disciples
for somehow we could heard
the good news of the true gospel of christ
:happy: same as always but
:dontknow: until this day why we cant even imagine
the exact location of the blessed thief
if he was nailed from the right side or left of the cross for
our lord jesus christ is in the middle and
:think: how come one of those two thiefs on the cross
suddenly had a change of heart if that thief
has not even saw the faith of
our lord jesus christ in his teachings
nor heard him working with the sinners
for their salvations
:read:
Luke: 23. 34. Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
35. And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
36. And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,
37. And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.
38. And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39. And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41. And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
``Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?``
:scarf: as they say
there once a thief in this world who steal the hearts of many :glasses: while also being nailed unto the cross
:rofl: then went to paradise after the great tribulation
:yawn: and that is a once in a life time chance only
"Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."
8) expect the unexpected :hihihi:
Amos: 5. 16. Therefore the LORD, the God of hosts, the Lord, saith thus; Wailing shall be in all streets; and they shall say in all the highways, Alas! alas! and they shall call the husbandman to mourning, and such as are skilful of lamentation to wailing.
17. And in all vineyards shall be wailing: for I will pass through thee, saith the LORD.
18. Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19. As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20. Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
:smoke: we are not telling this to make the people unfaithful to their beliefs
but to warn everyone that if this day would come
everyone wiil be ready especially to those people who has a different faiths
inside their own family like most of oyr fellows whose families were still beyond
the traditions of different religions . . . ..
and it is saddest part of our life (if we are destined to experienced it) if we learn that we cannot do anything for our loveones when that time comes . ...
:read:
Ezekiel: 14. 14. Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
: : would anyone be so greatful and ful of joy at the same time if they learn
that its only them who has a pure of heart and soul will be saved at that time
and all those who remains shall be tested from the things that even us cant do
anything when everything shall done according to
what is written
:read:
Matthew: 24. 21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
God bless us all always
:ty:
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Hi Stonemason,
You are correct in that the spirit of the antichrist has been here, for scripture states that anyone who does not believe that Jesus has come in the flesh is the antichrist. But, there is also a specific man coming who will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. (2 Thes.2:4)
Also, the fact that when Christ returns to end the age that the beast and false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire, would also demonstrate that both the beast and the false prophet are literal beings. (Rev.19:20)
You are correct in that the spirit of the antichrist has been here, for scripture states that anyone who does not believe that Jesus has come in the flesh is the antichrist. But, there is also a specific man coming who will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. (2 Thes.2:4)
Also, the fact that when Christ returns to end the age that the beast and false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire, would also demonstrate that both the beast and the false prophet are literal beings. (Rev.19:20)
Sorry, your case is just too weak when exposed in light of God's Word.
You forget about old Tyre and its history. The rock island of Tyre was a city of world commerce at its historical height. It had double walls 150 ft. tall around it, was impossible to conquer from the sea, or land. There was no access out to it from the land side, not until Alexander the Great was given by God to conquer it (God had pronounced judgment on Tyre). Alexander's army moved earth out to it to build a land bridge (which still stands today).
In Ezek.28, God compares Satan to the old king and prince of Tyre (means 'rock'). He links the idea of traffic and world commerce with how Satan originally rebelled against Him in the beginning. Thus Tyre became a symbol for paganism and its seeking to control the wealth of the earth (which all wealth actually belongs to God).
In Revelation, that idea as symbolic is applied to Jerusalem during the coming Antichrist's reign there, using the label of Babylon. It's because Babylon was the earliest origin of false idol pagan worship. All pagan ideology has it ancient roots from ancient Babylon. Because Rev.11:8 specifically tells us Jerusalem in that future time is represented spiritually as Egypt and Sodom, that is pointing to this concept of paganism and its origin from ancient Babylon.
This is also why the ancient Babylonian tablets have a pagan account of the creation, in contrast to the creation of Genesis given through Moses. Those tablets are actually older than Moses. Thus, it's all about Lucifer and his followers who worship him. That's who are given control in the last days, and are in control today, and will be in control of Jerusalem in the near future when it becomes spiritual Babylon during the Antichrist's reign.
There are some brethren like you that see the same kind of comparisons you're using for Mecca, but applied to the actual geographic city of Babylon, since Saddam tried to rebuild it. They like yourself, fail to understand how it will be about Jerusalem in the spiritual sense as Babylon, and not the literal geographical location of Babylon in Iraq.
You forget about old Tyre and its history. The rock island of Tyre was a city of world commerce at its historical height. It had double walls 150 ft. tall around it, was impossible to conquer from the sea, or land. There was no access out to it from the land side, not until Alexander the Great was given by God to conquer it (God had pronounced judgment on Tyre). Alexander's army moved earth out to it to build a land bridge (which still stands today).
In Ezek.28, God compares Satan to the old king and prince of Tyre (means 'rock'). He links the idea of traffic and world commerce with how Satan originally rebelled against Him in the beginning. Thus Tyre became a symbol for paganism and its seeking to control the wealth of the earth (which all wealth actually belongs to God).
In Revelation, that idea as symbolic is applied to Jerusalem during the coming Antichrist's reign there, using the label of Babylon. It's because Babylon was the earliest origin of false idol pagan worship. All pagan ideology has it ancient roots from ancient Babylon. Because Rev.11:8 specifically tells us Jerusalem in that future time is represented spiritually as Egypt and Sodom, that is pointing to this concept of paganism and its origin from ancient Babylon.
This is also why the ancient Babylonian tablets have a pagan account of the creation, in contrast to the creation of Genesis given through Moses. Those tablets are actually older than Moses. Thus, it's all about Lucifer and his followers who worship him. That's who are given control in the last days, and are in control today, and will be in control of Jerusalem in the near future when it becomes spiritual Babylon during the Antichrist's reign.
There are some brethren like you that see the same kind of comparisons you're using for Mecca, but applied to the actual geographic city of Babylon, since Saddam tried to rebuild it. They like yourself, fail to understand how it will be about Jerusalem in the spiritual sense as Babylon, and not the literal geographical location of Babylon in Iraq.
Rev 13:15
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV
It's actually about all who refuse to bow in worship to the "image of the beast", which is an idol. I believe bowing to that image is a requirement to receive the mark described in the next verses.
Notice it does not say, "are killed", it says, "should be killed".
And Daniel 3 definitely is our blueprint for that future event. When Daniel and his fellows were delivered up to the king of Babylon for refusing to bow in worship to Neb's golden idol, what happened when they were cast into the hot fiery furnace or Daniel into the lion's den?
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV
It's actually about all who refuse to bow in worship to the "image of the beast", which is an idol. I believe bowing to that image is a requirement to receive the mark described in the next verses.
Notice it does not say, "are killed", it says, "should be killed".
And Daniel 3 definitely is our blueprint for that future event. When Daniel and his fellows were delivered up to the king of Babylon for refusing to bow in worship to Neb's golden idol, what happened when they were cast into the hot fiery furnace or Daniel into the lion's den?
I believe our Lord Jesus has given us plenty of evidence in His Revelation to show that the coming Antichrist will be the devil himself, on earth in plain sight, proclaiming himself as God, and having the power to work the greatest deceptions this world has ever seen, nor will ever see again.
So the plan by today's pagans to institute Luciferian worship over all the earth isn't just a threat with no substance. God is going to allow them to do it. Those in Christ Jesus are not to be deceived by it, and understand why God is allowing this to occur in our near future, once Satan and his host of angels are cast down to this earth as written per Rev.12:7 forward.
So the plan by today's pagans to institute Luciferian worship over all the earth isn't just a threat with no substance. God is going to allow them to do it. Those in Christ Jesus are not to be deceived by it, and understand why God is allowing this to occur in our near future, once Satan and his host of angels are cast down to this earth as written per Rev.12:7 forward.
Sir, this is a specific man that has been prophesied of and referred to by Paul as "the man of lawlessness" and by John as "the antichrist" and in the book of Revelation as the beast and as "The Ruler, the beast and as a king" in the book of Daniel. Therefore, this isn't just anyone, but he is the one that has been prophesied of.
There's not a bogeyman coming. You point to these scriptures and say "this obviously means this". Well, it doesn't always mean what you say it means. I can point to direct parts of scripture contradicting you and you're like "well this this and this", and I'm like, no, you're wrong, here's why, and you're like "but but but..."
But nothing. Antichrist is a spirit. It has been here. Using the bible to pretend you can tell the future is a garbage practice of God's Word. The Word is enough without your defamation. Jesus said He will come. That is enough! Jesus said no one will know the time. That is enough! We're told to keep our lamps lit. That is enough. This is all we need to know and understand on the matter.
But nothing. Antichrist is a spirit. It has been here. Using the bible to pretend you can tell the future is a garbage practice of God's Word. The Word is enough without your defamation. Jesus said He will come. That is enough! Jesus said no one will know the time. That is enough! We're told to keep our lamps lit. That is enough. This is all we need to know and understand on the matter.