But Christ made plain to his disciples there was much more he wanted to tell them but they could not yet bear such knowledge. However, when the Holy Spirit came upon them, he would guide them into all truth
Do you reject those words of Jesus?
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But Christ made plain to his disciples there was much more he wanted to tell them but they could not yet bear such knowledge. However, when the Holy Spirit came upon them, he would guide them into all truth
Do you reject those words of Jesus?
Of course not... but the Holy Spirit will not contradict the Father and Jesus Christ the son. If you believe that you blaspheme God and the teachings in the Bible openly.
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I did explain myself. Don't have to again.
You can look for it and show it to me if you want to go further with this discussion.
To come back to Paul. If you believe he teaches us anything contradicting what Jesus said you should study the topic a little better because the Bible teaches us that this is the definition of a false prophet...
But you have made clear your view that all you need is Jesus teaching, not Pauls. Yet Jesus said he was limited in what he could teach his disciplies for they could not yet bear such knowledge as the holy Spirit had not yet come upon them.
The holy Spirit had come upon Paul and the other writers of the epistles, yet you say you can ignore what they write and just stick with Jesus teaching.
Therefore you have to acknowledge you are limited in your knowledge of the new covenant according to Jesus own words
The scripture says that the gospel is to the Jew first then to the Gentiles....and we are grafted into Israel too....butr it says that in romans ( it's that Paul thing again ) .So, the jews get a new heart and they get "Their sins I will remember no more!" ( beautiful promise ) but we gentiles don't?.......
Romans 2:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
good news guys..We are the real jews! Shalom!
Romans 2:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
good news guys..We are the real jews! Shalom!
I am interested. Do you believe a Jew must obey as a Christian all OT law that is possible to obey apart from animal sacrifices obviously?
Do you believe under the new covenant Gentile Christians are not expected/need to obey the same Jewsih law a Jew must obey?
So you truly do believe that what happened after Jesus left was something new?
Boy oh boy, brother you should read the OT
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
The disciples didn't understand the teachings of Yeshua because they haven't received the Holy Spirit yet. That is true but the Holy Spirit did not give them a changed gospel. That is false doctrine. Nothing is new under the sun and the gospel is the same since the first second God created the world. If you don't find that in your OT you are in trouble
The law is not dead..it's just that we Christians are dead to the law..the law is good..it's just not for the righteous but the unrighteous.
We are the righteous because we are in Jesus. A Christian would never have to read the law and we would fulfill it because of what is written on our hearts. ( Can we learn things from reading the Old Covenant?..yes..of course.) .but Christ fulfilled all the law for us
We are the righteous because we are in Jesus. A Christian would never have to read the law and we would fulfill it because of what is written on our hearts. ( Can we learn things from reading the Old Covenant?..yes..of course.) .but Christ fulfilled all the law for us
You are not a Jew
but you are Israel. Good to see you have that revelation brother.So you truly do believe that what happened after Jesus left was something new?
Boy oh boy, brother you should read the OT
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
The disciples didn't understand the teachings of Yeshua because they haven't received the Holy Spirit yet. That is true but the Holy Spirit did not give them a changed gospel. That is false doctrine. Nothing is new under the sun and the gospel is the same since the first second God created the world. If you don't find that in your OT you are in trouble
You wrote:
Yeshua lived the perfect life without Paul's teachings
so can weJesus said:
have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth John 16:12
So you truly do believe that what happened after Jesus left was something new?
Boy oh boy, brother you should read the OT
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
The disciples didn't understand the teachings of Yeshua because they haven't received the Holy Spirit yet. That is true but the Holy Spirit did not give them a changed gospel. That is false doctrine. Nothing is new under the sun and the gospel is the same since the first second God created the world. If you don't find that in your OT you are in trouble
The new covenant was explained by the Epistle writers.
You want me to put up some verses and you explain them from the OT?
I always start with the 10 commandments because this was the covenant and marriage contract from God to His people.
Do I think we should obey the Talmud? Absolutely not because that was what Paul warns us about. The Jewish laws
You wrote:
Yeshua lived the perfect life without Paul's teachings
Jesus said:
have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth John 16:12
So up to that point not even Yeshua understood His own teachings
now I am confused
Romans 2:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
It seems the real Jew is one that lives by faith in the gospel of the grace of Christ. I am circumcised...( in my heart )
I wasn't planning on going to the wailing wall to pray...in case ya'll thought I was a Jew physically....lol
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
It seems the real Jew is one that lives by faith in the gospel of the grace of Christ. I am circumcised...( in my heart )
I wasn't planning on going to the wailing wall to pray...in case ya'll thought I was a Jew physically....lol
You are not a Jew
If you give me the verse first that said Jesus was born of a virgin... you can do whatever you want.
I always start with the 10 commandments because this was the covenant and marriage contract from God to His people.
Do I think we should obey the Talmud? Absolutely not because that was what Paul warns us about. The Jewish laws
Can you clarify please
Should a Jewish Christian obey ALL OT law still available to obey apart from animal sacrifices?
Does a Gentile convert need to obey the same laws a Jewish Christian does?
They are two very simple questions, easy to answer I would think
This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[SUP][d][/SUP]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[SUP][e][/SUP] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.[SUP]20 [/SUP]But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. [SUP]21 [/SUP]She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[SUP][f][/SUP] because he will save his people from their sins.”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: [SUP]23 [/SUP]“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[SUP][g][/SUP] (which means “God with us”).
[SUP]24 [/SUP]When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. [SUP]25[/SUP]But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
So up to that point not even Yeshua understood His own teachings
Well so am I. You might like to explain how you arrived at that conclusion