EEEHHHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! *happy dance*

[GandalfTheWhite]

How can you understand the message of sin( transgression of the law) righteousness and judgement if you spend far less time studying the books that in detail explain it in preference of other matters?

You must be left with a lack of understanding these things. The only way you learn of a subject is by reading about it.

At the moment, in reality, according to your beliefs, you believe a person in open rebellion against God without conscience is your christian brother. Read Paul, pray to be led into truth as you do so

Oh boy, ok here we go. If I read the message from Paul I can clearly see that he did not tell us to transgress the law and that he actually have great respect for the law. Paul even go so far as to say the following

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Jesus never ever said that we should not keep the law and commandments. He actually said

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I can continue with Paul if you want me to?

 

[james57]

Oh boy, ok here we go. If I read the message from Paul I can clearly see that he did not tell us to transgress the law and that he actually have great respect for the law. Paul even go so far as to say the following

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Jesus never ever said that we should not keep the law and commandments. He actually said

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I can continue with Paul if you want me to?

Please do continue with Paul:
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


The above verses relate to Pauls exasperation at the Galatians turning back to a righteousness of obeying the law rather than faith in Christ
Please continue

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

What normally happens in a Paul argument is that people will have a few verses and they will quote them. Both parties will look as if they are correct but in the end it causes great division in the body of Christ.

 

[james57]

Oh boy, ok here we go. If I read the message from Paul I can clearly see that he did not tell us to transgress the law and that he actually have great respect for the law. Paul even go so far as to say the following

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Jesus never ever said that we should not keep the law and commandments. He actually said

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I can continue with Paul if you want me to?

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[SUP][ Gal3:1-3

In support of previous post[/SUP]

 

[james57]

What normally happens in a Paul argument is that people will have a few verses and they will quote them. Both parties will look as if they are correct but in the end it causes great division in the body of Christ.

You don't seem to mind having great division in the body of Christ concerning OT law

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Please do continue with Paul:
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


The above verses relate to Pauls exasperation at the Galatians turning back to a righteousness of obeying the law rather than faith in Christ
Please continue

Ok James, give me the verse where Jesus said we should forsake His commandment and the law? If we add to the word of God the plagues will be added to our lives brother. We must keep to the gospel like Paul did. Paul never ever contradicted Jesus but he also said that Jesus is the authority.

 

[james57]

Ok James, give me the verse where Jesus said we should forsake His commandment and the law? If we add to the word of God the plagues will be added to our lives brother. We must keep to the gospel like Paul did. Paul never ever contradicted Jesus but he also said that Jesus is the authority.

You are running away from discussing Paul aren't you?

I will repeat, you will never properly, or fully understand the new covenant without understanding Paul's message for he was commissioned by Christ to be the chief explainer of it.

If you have a bible, where you study the OT, Gospels and James I guess, that gives you 44 books, of which 39 are in the OT. what do you think the result will be?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

You don't seem to mind having great division in the body of Christ concerning OT law

People are teaching falsely that we should not keep the law and they rape books written by Paul to give us "the truth". Paul never contradicted Jesus and if he did he will be a false prophet.

The division is not caused by what I said, but from what people believe. If I am contradicting anything in the Bible please show it to me so that I can change, repent and turn to God brother.

 

[james57]

Ok James, give me the verse where Jesus said we should forsake His commandment and the law? If we add to the word of God the plagues will be added to our lives brother. We must keep to the gospel like Paul did. Paul never ever contradicted Jesus but he also said that Jesus is the authority.

Carry each others burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ Gal6:2

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Carry each others burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ Gal6:2

Brother this is Paul, let us not get petty but give it to me from the mouth of Yeshua

 

[james57]

People are teaching falsely that we should not keep the law and they rape books written by Paul to give us "the truth". Paul never contradicted Jesus and if he did he will be a false prophet.

The division is not caused by what I said, but from what people believe. If I am contradicting anything in the Bible please show it to me so that I can change, repent and turn to God brother.

Sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14

I am being sincerely honest here. To ignore, or hardly study the books of the person charged with being the chief exponent of the new covenant is simply going to leave you with at best a hybrid covenant, at worst, pretty much living under the old one at its core.
Surely you see you cannot properly understand the new covenant without understanding what Paul wrote.
Do you deny Christ charged him to be the chief explainer of the new covenant to the world?

 

[james57]

Brother this is Paul, let us not get petty but give it to me from the mouth of Yeshua

That is an awful statement it truly is.

I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come


So, without the holy Spirit guiding you into truth you can understand Jesus words, but to understand the Epistles you must rely on the Spirit to lead you into truth

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

You are running away from discussing Paul aren't you?

I will repeat, you will never properly, or fully understand the new covenant without understanding Paul's message for he was commissioned by Christ to be the chief explainer of it.

If you have a bible, where you study the OT, Gospels and James I guess, that gives you 44 books, of which 39 are in the OT. what do you think the result will be?

What you are explaining to me is change.

The Word of God was the same since day 1 brother. We can see Yeshua in the OT time and time again. Yeshua lived the perfect life without Paul's teachings so can we. He taught us the perfect love and grace by living the law. Should we fear the law? I don't think so.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

That is an awful statement it truly is.

I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come


So, without the holy Spirit guiding you into truth you can understand Jesus words, but to understand the Epistles you must rely on the Spirit to lead you into truth

So I will take it you couldn't find a verse like that?

Why then will Paul curse himself and contradicts what Yeshua taught while He was on earth?

 

[james57]

Yeshua lived the perfect life without Paul's teachings so can we. .

So you can live the perfect life without Paul's teachings?

In other words, you will ignore Pauls teachings and think you will be fine. No wonder you have the views you do.
Peter likened Pauls letters to the scriptures, obviously in your view he must have made a mistake.

Anyway., thank you for writing what you have, and for explaining you have no need to read half the books of the NT

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The Word of God will always explain the Word of God. Nothing Paul taught will be something new or outside the Word of God. If it is new and outside God's word it is a false teaching.

 

[james57]

So I will take it you couldn't find a verse like that?

Why then will Paul curse himself and contradicts what Yeshua taught while He was on earth?

P lease explain what you mean

 

[james57]

The Word of God will explain the Word of God. Nothing Paul taught will be something new or outside the Word of God. If it is new and outside God's word it is a false teaching.

want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. Gal1:11&12

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Ok James, give me the verse where Jesus said we should forsake His commandment and the law? If we add to the word of God the plagues will be added to our lives brother. We must keep to the gospel like Paul did. Paul never ever contradicted Jesus but he also said that Jesus is the authority.

This was my question and you quoted Paul.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. Gal1:11&12

You see this is my problem, you keep on quoting me Paul. What if I am a Jew and you are giving me the gospel, what will you teach me? Paul?! I wouldn't believe in Paul so give me some meat on the bone from the OT...