The Immaculate Conception Error
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Neither infallible dogma has any basis in Scripture, and the one actually goes against Scripture. Sadly, Roman Catholics do accept the traditions of man above the revealed written Word of God. They continually defend the RCC even when it defies Scripture, and despite being corrected, they repeat RC lies.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work... Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching... My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins... He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it... Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work... Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching... My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins... He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it... Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
7 Christian Denominations with Most Liberal Stance on Abortion
Here are the seven of the Christian denominations with the most liberal approaches to abortion.
1. United Church of Christ
2. Unitarian Universalist Association
3. Metropolitan Community Church
4. Presbyterian Church USA
5. Evangelical Lutheran Church
6. Christ Church (Assembly of God)
7. United Methodist Church
more details here:7 Christian Denominations with Most Liberal Stance on Abortion
Church of Satan rallies to support Planned Parenthood
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Abortion as Pagan Sacrifice
"...As we read statements like foregoing, we ask ourselves: how could human beings be so deluded as to seriously believe that their gods required human sacrifice as a condition for receiving divine favors? The key word is “deluded.” Thirty years of teaching comparative religion has taught me that there is no limit to the irrational, indeed insane, practices that religious mythology will not put into practice as a mandate from the deities in whom they believed. Thus we read in the history of the Aztecs in South America before Columbus that they would kill up to ten thousand children on a major feast day in honor of one of their gods. Although seldom mentioned, infanticide as a religious ritual was practiced in India before its colonization by Great Britain.
Abortion as the widespread practice that it has become today is incredibly a religious practice. It is inspired by the evil spirits who, in Christian terms, were and are the malignant deities of paganism. These deities, often goddesses, demanded the sacrifice of children to be propitiated. Unless children were killed and offered to these gods, they would avenge their anger against the people in the most devastating ways..." Fr. Hardon Archives - Abortion as Pagan Sacrifice
Many would not call United churchers Christian.
Bill Phipps, moderator of the United church of Canada in October 1997: "I don't believe Jesus is the only way to God," he said. "I don't believe He rose from the dead as a scientific fact. I don't know whether those things happened. It's an irrelevant question."
Bill Phipps, moderator of the United church of Canada in October 1997: "I don't believe Jesus is the only way to God," he said. "I don't believe He rose from the dead as a scientific fact. I don't know whether those things happened. It's an irrelevant question."
Likewise, Unitarian Universalists...
Before about 1960, UUs were largely considered the most liberal of Christian denominations. Since then, the beliefs of Unitarian Universalists have become quite diverse. In June 1995, the UUA acknowledged that its sources of spirituality are: Christianity, Earth Centered Religions (Afro-American religions, Native American spirituality, Wicca, other Neopagan religions, etc.), Humanism, Judaism, other world religions, prophets, and the direct experience of mystery. Fewer than 10% identify themselves as Christians; the organization no longer qualifies as a Christian denomination; it is a multi-faith group.
http://www.eaec.org/cults/unitarianuniversalism.htm
Before about 1960, UUs were largely considered the most liberal of Christian denominations. Since then, the beliefs of Unitarian Universalists have become quite diverse. In June 1995, the UUA acknowledged that its sources of spirituality are: Christianity, Earth Centered Religions (Afro-American religions, Native American spirituality, Wicca, other Neopagan religions, etc.), Humanism, Judaism, other world religions, prophets, and the direct experience of mystery. Fewer than 10% identify themselves as Christians; the organization no longer qualifies as a Christian denomination; it is a multi-faith group.
http://www.eaec.org/cults/unitarianuniversalism.htm
I'll tell what foolish Valleyant. This statement of yours is so "out of here" I damn near dismissed responding to it due to its cockamamy nature. But then I thought...what the hell. 
Now as for what "you" conceive as Mary (and Joseph) "carelessly and foolishly" leaving Jesus behind, thus commiting a sin "foolishly' disreguards the historical aspect of their day. For example, on the historical side of things Valleyant, you fail to take note that when the ancients say 'family', it means the 'extended family' (i.e. counting kindred that are not considered part of the nuclear family). Jesus, Mary and Joseph travelled as part of a caravan most likely being composed of other relatives, friends and acquaintances. Young pilgrims like Jesus were considered safe as long as they were in the company as a whole, so Mary and Joseph would not have bothered to check, confident that Jesus was just in the back of the caravan with the other kids; it was just natural "not" to see one's child for hours at a time. This is hardly considerd a sin. (ask any parent)
St. Luke beautifully paints the humanity of the boy Jesus at this point: Jesus was so engaged in discussion that He probably did not realize that His parents already left without Him telling them where He was. Perhaps Jesus in His humanity thought naively that they would not leave without Him, or that if they left, they would certainly come back. After all, can a twelve year-old boy make the sixty-five mile (105 km in your Brit way of measurement) trek back to His home village alone and unarmed? In any case, He decided to stay put in the most likely place husband and wife could find Him in Jerusalem: the Temple.
When Mary and Joseph returned, Jesus'reply, "Do you not that I must be in my Fathers house" was not a scolding that your personal interpretation of this passage implies. No, what it does, is gives us gives us a glimpse into the tension between the necessity felt by Him to obey His heavenly Father and the obedience which He renders His earthly parents. This passage gives us a glimpse that at age twelve Jesus is already feeling a necessity, a compulsion, to do His Father's will. Jesus already has the call to obey God, but part of that obedience involved submission to His mother and (earthly) father: "And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and His mother was keeping all these sayings in her heart." (Lk.2:51.)
Now Valleyant, on the spiritual side of it, Mary could obviously not know where Jesus is or what Jesus thinks, without the aid of Garmin or any other tracking devices. Mary being Immaculately conceived does not grant her omniscience or omnipresence. She's still human; at the time, the puzzle is still incomplete. Although Mary and Joseph already had a pretty good idea of what the Child is and what He would do, but there is still more that they would not fully understand until much later (cf. Luke 2:50). Such is human nature.
Total and complete cockamamy!
Pax Christi
Now as for what "you" conceive as Mary (and Joseph) "carelessly and foolishly" leaving Jesus behind, thus commiting a sin "foolishly' disreguards the historical aspect of their day. For example, on the historical side of things Valleyant, you fail to take note that when the ancients say 'family', it means the 'extended family' (i.e. counting kindred that are not considered part of the nuclear family). Jesus, Mary and Joseph travelled as part of a caravan most likely being composed of other relatives, friends and acquaintances. Young pilgrims like Jesus were considered safe as long as they were in the company as a whole, so Mary and Joseph would not have bothered to check, confident that Jesus was just in the back of the caravan with the other kids; it was just natural "not" to see one's child for hours at a time. This is hardly considerd a sin. (ask any parent)
St. Luke beautifully paints the humanity of the boy Jesus at this point: Jesus was so engaged in discussion that He probably did not realize that His parents already left without Him telling them where He was. Perhaps Jesus in His humanity thought naively that they would not leave without Him, or that if they left, they would certainly come back. After all, can a twelve year-old boy make the sixty-five mile (105 km in your Brit way of measurement) trek back to His home village alone and unarmed? In any case, He decided to stay put in the most likely place husband and wife could find Him in Jerusalem: the Temple.
When Mary and Joseph returned, Jesus'reply, "Do you not that I must be in my Fathers house" was not a scolding that your personal interpretation of this passage implies. No, what it does, is gives us gives us a glimpse into the tension between the necessity felt by Him to obey His heavenly Father and the obedience which He renders His earthly parents. This passage gives us a glimpse that at age twelve Jesus is already feeling a necessity, a compulsion, to do His Father's will. Jesus already has the call to obey God, but part of that obedience involved submission to His mother and (earthly) father: "And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and His mother was keeping all these sayings in her heart." (Lk.2:51.)
Now Valleyant, on the spiritual side of it, Mary could obviously not know where Jesus is or what Jesus thinks, without the aid of Garmin or any other tracking devices. Mary being Immaculately conceived does not grant her omniscience or omnipresence. She's still human; at the time, the puzzle is still incomplete. Although Mary and Joseph already had a pretty good idea of what the Child is and what He would do, but there is still more that they would not fully understand until much later (cf. Luke 2:50). Such is human nature.
Total and complete cockamamy!
Pax Christi
It makes no difference whether or not Pope St. Peter was married. That has no bearing on the 75+ verses indicating Peter's leadership. A note of interest: Peter's mother-in-law, after being healed, got up and served the guests. In Jewish custom, that would be a scandal. That is not the role of a mother-in-law to serve guests in her son-in-law's house. That is the role of Peter's wife to serve guests, unless of course, she is dead.
May I add that celibacy was never a doctrine, it is a discipline formalized in the 3rd and 4th centuries. It was a developmental discipline. "Development" scares anti-Catholics because they don't understand it, as the Bible itself is a development over the same time period. Lots of popes had wives during this time. So what. A discipline can be lifted, and that is why it happens that married men can be ordained in the Roman rite.
Jesus and Paul had lots to say about celibacy.
Matt. 19:11-12 - Jesus says celibacy is a gift from God and whoever can bear it should bear it. Jesus praises and recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church. Because celibacy is a gift from God, those who criticize the Church's practice of celibacy are criticizing God and this wonderful gift He bestows on His chosen ones.
Matt. 19:29 - Jesus says that whoever gives up children for the sake of His name will receive a hundred times more and will inherit eternal life. Jesus praises celibacy when it is done for the sake of His kingdom.
Matt. 22:30 - Jesus explains that in heaven there are no marriages. To bring about Jesus' kingdom on earth, priests live the heavenly consecration to God by not taking a wife in marriage. This way, priests are able to focus exclusively on the spiritual family, and not have any additional pressures of the biological family (which is for the vocation of marriage). This also makes it easier for priests to be transferred to different parishes where they are most needed without having to worry about the impact of their transfer on wife and children.
1 Cor 7:1 – Paul teaches that it is well for a man not to touch a woman. This is the choice that the Catholic priests of the Roman rite freely make.
1 Cor. 7:7 - Paul also acknowledges that celibacy is a gift from God and wishes that all were celibate like he is.
1 Cor. 7:27 – Paul teaches men that they should not seek marriage. In Paul’s opinion, marriage introduces worldly temptations that can interfere with one’s relationship with God, specifically regarding those who will become full-time ministers in the Church.
1 Cor. 7:32-33, 38 - Paul recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church so that they are able to focus entirely upon God and building up His kingdom. He “who refrains from marriage will do better.”
1 Tim. 3:2 - Paul instructs that bishops must be married only once. Many Protestants use this verse to prove that the Church's celibacy law is in error. But they are mistaken because this verse refers to bishops that were widowers. Paul is instructing that these widowers could not remarry. The verse also refers to those bishops who were currently married. They also could not remarry (in the Catholic Church's Eastern rite, priests are allowed to marry; celibacy is only a disciplinary rule for the clergy of the Roman rite). Therefore, this text has nothing to do with imposing a marriage requirement on becoming a bishop.
1 Tim. 4:3 - in this verse, Paul refers to deceitful doctrines that forbid marriage. Many non-Catholics also use this verse to impugn the Church's practice of celibacy. This is entirely misguided because the Catholic Church (unlike many Protestant churches) exalts marriage to a sacrament. In fact, marriage is elevated to a sacrament, but consecrated virginity is not. The Church declares marriage sacred, covenantal and lifegiving. Paul is referring to doctrines that forbid marriage and other goods when done outside the teaching of Christ and for a lessor good (Gnostics). Celibacy is an act of giving up one good (marriage and children) for a greater good (complete spiritual union with God).
1 Tim. 5:9-12 - Paul recommends that older widows take a pledge of celibacy. This was the beginning of women religious orders.
2 Tim. 2:3-4 - Paul instructs his bishop Timothy that no soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim his to satisfy the One who enlisted him. Paul is using an analogy to describe the role of the celibate priesthood in the Church.
Rev. 14:4 - unlike our sinful world of the flesh, in heaven, those consecrated to virginity are honored.
Isaiah 56:3-7 - the eunuchs who keep God's covenant will have a special place in the kingdom of heaven.
Jer. 16:1-4 - Jeremiah is told by God not to take a wife or have children.
Catholics don't look down on married ministers, so Protestants, who wish to ignore Jesus and Paul, have no business being critical of the Catholic discipline of celibacy.
Jesus and Paul had lots to say about celibacy.
Matt. 19:11-12 - Jesus says celibacy is a gift from God and whoever can bear it should bear it. Jesus praises and recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church. Because celibacy is a gift from God, those who criticize the Church's practice of celibacy are criticizing God and this wonderful gift He bestows on His chosen ones.
Matt. 19:29 - Jesus says that whoever gives up children for the sake of His name will receive a hundred times more and will inherit eternal life. Jesus praises celibacy when it is done for the sake of His kingdom.
Matt. 22:30 - Jesus explains that in heaven there are no marriages. To bring about Jesus' kingdom on earth, priests live the heavenly consecration to God by not taking a wife in marriage. This way, priests are able to focus exclusively on the spiritual family, and not have any additional pressures of the biological family (which is for the vocation of marriage). This also makes it easier for priests to be transferred to different parishes where they are most needed without having to worry about the impact of their transfer on wife and children.
1 Cor 7:1 – Paul teaches that it is well for a man not to touch a woman. This is the choice that the Catholic priests of the Roman rite freely make.
1 Cor. 7:7 - Paul also acknowledges that celibacy is a gift from God and wishes that all were celibate like he is.
1 Cor. 7:27 – Paul teaches men that they should not seek marriage. In Paul’s opinion, marriage introduces worldly temptations that can interfere with one’s relationship with God, specifically regarding those who will become full-time ministers in the Church.
1 Cor. 7:32-33, 38 - Paul recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church so that they are able to focus entirely upon God and building up His kingdom. He “who refrains from marriage will do better.”
1 Tim. 3:2 - Paul instructs that bishops must be married only once. Many Protestants use this verse to prove that the Church's celibacy law is in error. But they are mistaken because this verse refers to bishops that were widowers. Paul is instructing that these widowers could not remarry. The verse also refers to those bishops who were currently married. They also could not remarry (in the Catholic Church's Eastern rite, priests are allowed to marry; celibacy is only a disciplinary rule for the clergy of the Roman rite). Therefore, this text has nothing to do with imposing a marriage requirement on becoming a bishop.
1 Tim. 4:3 - in this verse, Paul refers to deceitful doctrines that forbid marriage. Many non-Catholics also use this verse to impugn the Church's practice of celibacy. This is entirely misguided because the Catholic Church (unlike many Protestant churches) exalts marriage to a sacrament. In fact, marriage is elevated to a sacrament, but consecrated virginity is not. The Church declares marriage sacred, covenantal and lifegiving. Paul is referring to doctrines that forbid marriage and other goods when done outside the teaching of Christ and for a lessor good (Gnostics). Celibacy is an act of giving up one good (marriage and children) for a greater good (complete spiritual union with God).
1 Tim. 5:9-12 - Paul recommends that older widows take a pledge of celibacy. This was the beginning of women religious orders.
2 Tim. 2:3-4 - Paul instructs his bishop Timothy that no soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim his to satisfy the One who enlisted him. Paul is using an analogy to describe the role of the celibate priesthood in the Church.
Rev. 14:4 - unlike our sinful world of the flesh, in heaven, those consecrated to virginity are honored.
Isaiah 56:3-7 - the eunuchs who keep God's covenant will have a special place in the kingdom of heaven.
Jer. 16:1-4 - Jeremiah is told by God not to take a wife or have children.
Catholics don't look down on married ministers, so Protestants, who wish to ignore Jesus and Paul, have no business being critical of the Catholic discipline of celibacy.
Of course it has bearing. The RCC forbids marriage to anyone in clergy while those they adulate and elevate were themselves married. Therefore the RCC mounts a pretense of following in the footsteps of certain people while they in fact do not follow. Peter said, a word to you who are elders in the churches. I, too, am an elder... He did not elevate himself above others, counting himself as one among many. In fact, he submitted to Paul, who said, James, Cephas (Peter) and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me... When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
How can the Catholic Church be a True Christian Church when it teaches Mary was without sin?
How can the Catholic Church be a True Christian Church when it teaches Mary is our Mediator?
How can the Catholic Church be a True Christian Church when it teaches Mary was assumed into Heaven?
The Catholic Church today HAS rejected God to follow Mary as their god!
Everything about Peter being a Pope is pure garbage made up by the Corrupted Catholic Church. There is not one shred of evidence anywhere in the Scriptures where God made Peter a Pope AND the Catholic Church did not appear on the scene until centuries AFTER Jesus arose into Heaven.
It was the 8th century when the Catholic Church appeared, not the 1st century like the Catholics want you to believe. Its amazing how the Catholics see nothing wrong with telling lies.
Exodus 20:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP] " You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Lying IS a Mortal sin that will destroy both your Soul and body in the Lake of Fire epostle!
How can the Catholic Church be a True Christian Church when it teaches Mary is our Mediator?
How can the Catholic Church be a True Christian Church when it teaches Mary was assumed into Heaven?
The Catholic Church today HAS rejected God to follow Mary as their god!
Everything about Peter being a Pope is pure garbage made up by the Corrupted Catholic Church. There is not one shred of evidence anywhere in the Scriptures where God made Peter a Pope AND the Catholic Church did not appear on the scene until centuries AFTER Jesus arose into Heaven.
It was the 8th century when the Catholic Church appeared, not the 1st century like the Catholics want you to believe. Its amazing how the Catholics see nothing wrong with telling lies.
Exodus 20:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP] " You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Lying IS a Mortal sin that will destroy both your Soul and body in the Lake of Fire epostle!
Once again you just proved your lack of knowledge concerning the Catholic Church.
I know you try so hard to make yourself seem knowledgable of the Catholic Churches beliefs/ practices/ect. but your not doing yourself any favors. FYI....Celibacy is a practice in the Catholic Church, not a doctrine or dogma. (if you beleive otherwise, please show some official proof from the Catholic Church herself, like the Catechism) The practice of celibacy can be changed. Furthermore, there are married priests today in the Catholic Church (in some of the Eastern Rites, for example), and even a few in the Latin Rite (such as married Anglican priests that converted to the Catholic Church).Even the parish I belong has a married priest with three kids!
So you see Magenta, It makes one wonder, if you can't get this simple practice in the Catholic Church right, how many other of your accusations are incorrect. Something to think about. So.... if I may suggest, in the future, you may want to do some research on an official web-site of the Catholic Church, so not to make yourself look so witless in reguards to our Catholic faith.
Pax Christi
I know you try so hard to make yourself seem knowledgable of the Catholic Churches beliefs/ practices/ect. but your not doing yourself any favors. FYI....Celibacy is a practice in the Catholic Church, not a doctrine or dogma. (if you beleive otherwise, please show some official proof from the Catholic Church herself, like the Catechism) The practice of celibacy can be changed. Furthermore, there are married priests today in the Catholic Church (in some of the Eastern Rites, for example), and even a few in the Latin Rite (such as married Anglican priests that converted to the Catholic Church).Even the parish I belong has a married priest with three kids!
So you see Magenta, It makes one wonder, if you can't get this simple practice in the Catholic Church right, how many other of your accusations are incorrect. Something to think about. So.... if I may suggest, in the future, you may want to do some research on an official web-site of the Catholic Church, so not to make yourself look so witless in reguards to our Catholic faith.
Pax Christi
The celibate makes his life into a visible witness for the priority of God in our lives, a sign to remind all people that without the inner sanctum our lives lose contact with their source and goal. We belong to God. All people do. Celibates are people who, by not attaching themselves to any one particular person, remind us that the relationship with God is the beginning, the source, and the goal of all human relationships.
By his or her life of non-attachment, the celibate lifts up an aspect of the Christian life of which we all need to be reminded. The celibate is like the clown in the circus who, between the scary acts of the trapeze artists and lion tamers, fumbles and falls, reminding us that all human activities are ultimately not so important as the virtuosi make us believe. Celibates live out the holy emptiness in their lives by not marrying, by not trying to build for themselves, a house or a fortune, by not trying to wield as much influence as possible, and by not filling their lives with events, people, or creations for which they will be remembered.
They hope that by their empty lives God will be recognized as the source of all human thoughts and actions. Especially by not marrying and by abstaining from the most intimate expression of human love, the celibate becomes a living sign of the limits of interpersonal relationships and of the centrality of the inner sanctum that no human being may violate.
To whom, then, is this witness directed? I dare to say that celibacyis, first of all, a witness to all those who are married. I wonder ifwe have explored enough the very important relationship betweenmarriage and celibacy. Lately we have become aware of this inter- relatedness in a very painful way. The crisis of celibacy and the crisis of married life appeared together. At the same time that many priests and religious persons move away from the celibate life, we see many couples questioning the value of their commitment to each other. These two phenomena, although they are not connected with each other as cause and effect, are closely related because marriage and celibacy are two ways of living within the Christian community that support each other.
Celibacy is a support to married people in their commitment to each other. The celibate reminds those who live together in marriage of their own celibate center, which they need to protect and nurture in order to live a life that does not depend simply upon the stability of emotions and affections, but also on their common love for God, who called them together. On the other hand, married people also witness to those who have chosen the celibate life, reminding them that it is the love of God that indeed makes rich and creative human relationships possible and that the value of the celibate life becomes manifest in a generous, affectionate, and faithful care for those in need. Married people remind celibates that celibates also live in covenant and are brides and grooms. Thus celibacy and marriage need each other.
Clowning in Rome
Reflections on Solitude, Celibacy, Prayer, andContemplation
by Henri Nouwen
By his or her life of non-attachment, the celibate lifts up an aspect of the Christian life of which we all need to be reminded. The celibate is like the clown in the circus who, between the scary acts of the trapeze artists and lion tamers, fumbles and falls, reminding us that all human activities are ultimately not so important as the virtuosi make us believe. Celibates live out the holy emptiness in their lives by not marrying, by not trying to build for themselves, a house or a fortune, by not trying to wield as much influence as possible, and by not filling their lives with events, people, or creations for which they will be remembered.
They hope that by their empty lives God will be recognized as the source of all human thoughts and actions. Especially by not marrying and by abstaining from the most intimate expression of human love, the celibate becomes a living sign of the limits of interpersonal relationships and of the centrality of the inner sanctum that no human being may violate.
To whom, then, is this witness directed? I dare to say that celibacyis, first of all, a witness to all those who are married. I wonder ifwe have explored enough the very important relationship betweenmarriage and celibacy. Lately we have become aware of this inter- relatedness in a very painful way. The crisis of celibacy and the crisis of married life appeared together. At the same time that many priests and religious persons move away from the celibate life, we see many couples questioning the value of their commitment to each other. These two phenomena, although they are not connected with each other as cause and effect, are closely related because marriage and celibacy are two ways of living within the Christian community that support each other.
Celibacy is a support to married people in their commitment to each other. The celibate reminds those who live together in marriage of their own celibate center, which they need to protect and nurture in order to live a life that does not depend simply upon the stability of emotions and affections, but also on their common love for God, who called them together. On the other hand, married people also witness to those who have chosen the celibate life, reminding them that it is the love of God that indeed makes rich and creative human relationships possible and that the value of the celibate life becomes manifest in a generous, affectionate, and faithful care for those in need. Married people remind celibates that celibates also live in covenant and are brides and grooms. Thus celibacy and marriage need each other.
Clowning in Rome
Reflections on Solitude, Celibacy, Prayer, andContemplation
by Henri Nouwen
Once again you have proven you have little to no understanding of what you read and respond to. I said exactly nowhere that not marrying was a doctrine or dogma of your heretical papist institution. You making a pretense of your misrepresentations being somehow a fair portrayal of what was said seems to be a hobby for you. I suggest you give it up for honesty, and lessons in comprehension.
Once again: marriage is forbidden to the clergy in the RCC.
Here is what one Catholic site had to say on the matter:
Celibacy is the renunciation of marriage implicitly or explicitly made, for the more perfect observance of chastity, by all those who receive the Sacrament of Orders in any of the higher grades... by co-operating in the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege. (emphasis added with the hope it makes for easier comprehension)
Additionally: we grant that the motive here appealed to is in some measure utilitarian, we shall probably be justified in saying that the principle which underlies the Church's action in enforcing celibacy is not limited to this utilitarian aspect...
So you see, fordman, I know you try hard to appear bright and smart and even wise, but your inability to grasp even the simplest of concepts makes me think that those who do not understand you as well as I do should wonder: if you can't get this simple practice of the Catholic Church right, if you continually misrepresent your conversation partner, and if you constantly pretend to be doing something other than what you are in fact doing, how trustworthy are you, really? Something to think about. So.... if I may suggest, in the future, you may want to do some research on an official web-site of the Catholic Church, so not to make yourself look so witless in regards to your Roman Catholic faith, and their policies.
Once again: marriage is forbidden to the clergy in the RCC.
Here is what one Catholic site had to say on the matter:
Celibacy is the renunciation of marriage implicitly or explicitly made, for the more perfect observance of chastity, by all those who receive the Sacrament of Orders in any of the higher grades... by co-operating in the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege. (emphasis added with the hope it makes for easier comprehension)
Additionally: we grant that the motive here appealed to is in some measure utilitarian, we shall probably be justified in saying that the principle which underlies the Church's action in enforcing celibacy is not limited to this utilitarian aspect...
So you see, fordman, I know you try hard to appear bright and smart and even wise, but your inability to grasp even the simplest of concepts makes me think that those who do not understand you as well as I do should wonder: if you can't get this simple practice of the Catholic Church right, if you continually misrepresent your conversation partner, and if you constantly pretend to be doing something other than what you are in fact doing, how trustworthy are you, really? Something to think about. So.... if I may suggest, in the future, you may want to do some research on an official web-site of the Catholic Church, so not to make yourself look so witless in regards to your Roman Catholic faith, and their policies.