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I speak in tongues every day and sing in tongues too...it's a great blessing from the Lord..
1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
Often times the tongue changes to a different language...why?,,don't know..it's my spirit talking mysteries to my Father.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
Often times the tongue changes to a different language...why?,,don't know..it's my spirit talking mysteries to my Father.
B
This is something I am interested in too..My ears have already heard the debates about the "Yes" and the "No". Some say it is no longer needed, some say it is..I will be researching this out some more. I sometimes wonder if is being able to speak another language that the one next to you does not know, or if it is really completely unrecognizable by humans period?
Paul says ...
1 Corinthians 13:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
It would appear that there tongues of men and of angels..i know I have spoken probably about 10-12 different languages but I have no idea what is being spoken..maybe that's why Paul says He who speaks in tongues speaks not unto men but God.
I speak under my breath everywhere I go for the most part...even when I pray racquetball..I love to sing in the spirit when I play..it seems to calm me down...
Here are the benefits..
1) those mysteries...which could be praying about things way in the future or praying about things your mind can't understand.
2) Blessing the Lord and giving thanks well.
3) speaking of His glorious works..
4) praying for others according to the will of God
5) building yourself up..kinda like charging a battery.
It's for everyone..just ask your Father and receive the free gift by faith!
It's a wonderful blessing from our Lord!
1 Corinthians 13:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
It would appear that there tongues of men and of angels..i know I have spoken probably about 10-12 different languages but I have no idea what is being spoken..maybe that's why Paul says He who speaks in tongues speaks not unto men but God.
I speak under my breath everywhere I go for the most part...even when I pray racquetball..I love to sing in the spirit when I play..it seems to calm me down...
Here are the benefits..
1) those mysteries...which could be praying about things way in the future or praying about things your mind can't understand.
2) Blessing the Lord and giving thanks well.
3) speaking of His glorious works..
4) praying for others according to the will of God
5) building yourself up..kinda like charging a battery.
It's for everyone..just ask your Father and receive the free gift by faith!
It's a wonderful blessing from our Lord!
Do you believe this is for today?
Do you have scripture to support your claim? (in support or refuting)
Do you have scripture to support your claim? (in support or refuting)
1. having children is a gift many abuse
2. being a pastor is a gift to the church many abuse
3. the gift of the Holy Spirit our gift that many misuse
all these are gift that can and are abused yet they all happen today none of them have ceased. And God is still trusting us with them....
Yes there is tongues today and no we do not need tongues today.
Tongues is the least of the Gifts from the Holy Spirit but yet many people put it first in the Gifts.
I do not have the gift of tongues and i never want the gift of tongues!
1 Corinthians 12:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
My Gift is the discernment of the Spirits and i do not want the Gift of tongues!
Tongues is the least of the Gifts from the Holy Spirit but yet many people put it first in the Gifts.
I do not have the gift of tongues and i never want the gift of tongues!
1 Corinthians 12:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
My Gift is the discernment of the Spirits and i do not want the Gift of tongues!
that is an interesting statement in ref to: "the Least of the gifts" you state that you do not have the gift nor do you want the gift of tongues , I think if you read 1 cor 12 all the gifts are distributed by the Holy Spirit as HE sees fit. I think one should be open to whatever the Holy Spirit is wanting us to do because HE knows the mind of Christ. And you can not claim the gift of "Discernment " as to having it because IT is as the Holy Spirit chooses to give for the betterment of the whole body not just the person with the gift. Maturity is something all need to learn and have
This stuff again... uh oh.
Acts 2 is the key about the cloven tongue of Pentecost. That MUST be used to define the true cloven tongue per God's Word. If it manifests in any other way, then that's not the true cloven tongue of Pentecost.
How did it manifest concerning language on Pentecost?
Everyone present heard the Apostles speaking not just in the people's own language of birth, but even in the dialects of their languages of birth where they were born. The cloven tongue is the pure speech that all nations and peoples once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event when God confused it into separate languages.
In Acts 2, Apostle Peter quoted from Joel 2, saying, "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel" (Acts 2:16)
The words, "... this is that..." means an example of. It did not mean all those events in Joel 2 were then happening on Pentecost, which is very important to note:
Joel 2:28-32
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
KJV
Those events in bold that Peter quoted did not happen on Pentecost in his days. They are meant for the very end of this world, i.e., the tribulation timing just prior to the "day of the Lord" with our Lord Jesus' second coming.
Here is one of the Scriptures about the very end during the tribulation that the cloven tongue is actually purposed for in the end:
Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up,take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV
Acts 2 is the key about the cloven tongue of Pentecost. That MUST be used to define the true cloven tongue per God's Word. If it manifests in any other way, then that's not the true cloven tongue of Pentecost.
How did it manifest concerning language on Pentecost?
Everyone present heard the Apostles speaking not just in the people's own language of birth, but even in the dialects of their languages of birth where they were born. The cloven tongue is the pure speech that all nations and peoples once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event when God confused it into separate languages.
In Acts 2, Apostle Peter quoted from Joel 2, saying, "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel" (Acts 2:16)
The words, "... this is that..." means an example of. It did not mean all those events in Joel 2 were then happening on Pentecost, which is very important to note:
Joel 2:28-32
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
KJV
Those events in bold that Peter quoted did not happen on Pentecost in his days. They are meant for the very end of this world, i.e., the tribulation timing just prior to the "day of the Lord" with our Lord Jesus' second coming.
Here is one of the Scriptures about the very end during the tribulation that the cloven tongue is actually purposed for in the end:
Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up,take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV
Tongues are a sign for the Jews.
1 Cor 13:8 they have indeed ended.
8 ¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
First mention of tongues in the bible is the tower of Babel. Here we see Gods judgment upon evil men. Every time Israel was carried into captivity it was by a people whose language they did not understand. Stammering tongues of their captors.
God is not the author of confusion.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
1 Cor 13:8 they have indeed ended.
8 ¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
First mention of tongues in the bible is the tower of Babel. Here we see Gods judgment upon evil men. Every time Israel was carried into captivity it was by a people whose language they did not understand. Stammering tongues of their captors.
God is not the author of confusion.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Wrong again!
Acts 2v15-21,38,39 clearly teaches that the baptism in the Holy Spirit and ALL the gifts of the Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11) are available to the Church throughout the whole of the age of Grace right up until the Second Coming of Christ...
For those interested you might find This a worthwhile read...
Acts 2v15-21,38,39 clearly teaches that the baptism in the Holy Spirit and ALL the gifts of the Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11) are available to the Church throughout the whole of the age of Grace right up until the Second Coming of Christ...
For those interested you might find This a worthwhile read...
well I think this post has ran it's course but I could be wrong. Context of " tongues" both in the old and new Testament are well addressed. The understanding of the gifts is too addressed very much I do not want to be insulting as some have been, nor i'm I trying to change anyone's opinion on the subject. 1 Cor 12, 13, 14 all chapters provide the best information about the gift of the Holy Spirit. pray about it and in chapter 14 there is a verse that says " let the ignorant be ignorant still". which means it is not the job of the Believer to convince another about what the Holy Spirit will do or not do concerning the gifts.... 1COR 12, 13, 14 do that very well
but I could be wrong. Context of " tongues" both in the old and new Testament are well addressed. The understanding of the gifts is too addressed very much I do not want to be insulting as some have been, nor i'm I trying to change anyone's opinion on the subject. 1 Cor 12, 13, 14 all chapters provide the best information about the gift of the Holy Spirit. pray about it and in chapter 14 there is a verse that says " let the ignorant be ignorant still". which means it is not the job of the Believer to convince another about what the Holy Spirit will do or not do concerning the gifts.... 1COR 12, 13, 14 do that very well
Wrong again!
Acts 2v15-21,38,39 clearly teaches that the baptism in the Holy Spirit and ALL the gifts of the Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11) are available to the Church throughout the whole of the age of Grace right up until the Second Coming of Christ...
For those interested you might find This a worthwhile read...
Acts 2v15-21,38,39 clearly teaches that the baptism in the Holy Spirit and ALL the gifts of the Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11) are available to the Church throughout the whole of the age of Grace right up until the Second Coming of Christ...
For those interested you might find This a worthwhile read...
The passage I presented clearly states that tongues would end, cease or fail.
You have no intention of listening to the word of God so proceed at your own risk.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
1 Corinthians 14:1-5 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
In this scripture, we see Paul comparing these two gifts. Paul uses a whole chapter to speak about these gifts.
What's so special about these two gifts? They are the only two wherein God speaks directly to His church.
Why does the liberal church speak so harshly against these two gifts? They are the only two wherein God speaks directly to His church! It's hard to twist scripture to cover up one's sins it God is still speaking thru His people to reveal those sins!
In the OT, it was the prophet who spoke directly to kings, the priests, Israel as a nation, even to gentile kings!
When the people rebelled against God, He spoke thru them, & them alone.
When these gifts are active, they always agree with Scripture.
When Paul or the other apostles wrote to the churches, they wrote by the leading of the Holy Spirit(prophetically). That is how they always knew what the people were doing, & how they needed to be disciplined, taught, or encouraged.
I know I've wrote more about prophecy, but both gifts are about God speaking to the church, & both gifts are equal when messages in tongues are interpreted to the church.
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
In this scripture, we see Paul comparing these two gifts. Paul uses a whole chapter to speak about these gifts.
What's so special about these two gifts? They are the only two wherein God speaks directly to His church.
Why does the liberal church speak so harshly against these two gifts? They are the only two wherein God speaks directly to His church! It's hard to twist scripture to cover up one's sins it God is still speaking thru His people to reveal those sins!
In the OT, it was the prophet who spoke directly to kings, the priests, Israel as a nation, even to gentile kings!
When the people rebelled against God, He spoke thru them, & them alone.
When these gifts are active, they always agree with Scripture.
When Paul or the other apostles wrote to the churches, they wrote by the leading of the Holy Spirit(prophetically). That is how they always knew what the people were doing, & how they needed to be disciplined, taught, or encouraged.
I know I've wrote more about prophecy, but both gifts are about God speaking to the church, & both gifts are equal when messages in tongues are interpreted to the church.
1) Not so, as great darkness continues to fall upon the earth as the Second Coming of Christ approaches, the gift of tongues is vital to come through it with an overcoming faith, for one of the purposes of the gift of tongues is to edify the believer and build them up in faith and love. Rom 8v26-28, 1Cor 14v4, Jude v20,21
2) Again, not so, it is the greatest of all 9 gifts of the Spirit, as it is the gateway into the manifestation and use of the other 8, Paul valued it MOST highly and indeed his diligent use of it was one of the reason's for his great ministry! 1Cor 14v18, 2Cor 12v11,12
3) Exactly, as you don't exercise this gift how on earth can you make definitive statements about it? (you quite happily reject a beautiful gift that the Lord Jesus obtained at great cost and suffering to Himself by being crucified and descending into Hades! Acts 2v23-31, Rom 10v7, Eph 4v7-16 (esp. v8,9))
4) It is NOT your gift, the gift of the discerning of spirits is given and exercised by God, the Holy Spirit! 1Cor 12v11
(Maybe you mistake the gift of discerning of spirits for the spirit of criticism?)
2) Again, not so, it is the greatest of all 9 gifts of the Spirit, as it is the gateway into the manifestation and use of the other 8, Paul valued it MOST highly and indeed his diligent use of it was one of the reason's for his great ministry! 1Cor 14v18, 2Cor 12v11,12
3) Exactly, as you don't exercise this gift how on earth can you make definitive statements about it? (you quite happily reject a beautiful gift that the Lord Jesus obtained at great cost and suffering to Himself by being crucified and descending into Hades! Acts 2v23-31, Rom 10v7, Eph 4v7-16 (esp. v8,9))
4) It is NOT your gift, the gift of the discerning of spirits is given and exercised by God, the Holy Spirit! 1Cor 12v11
(Maybe you mistake the gift of discerning of spirits for the spirit of criticism?)