Speaking in Tongues

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LOLOKGal

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MYSAVIORJESUSCHRIST said:
Do you believe this is for today?:cool:
Do you have scripture to support your claim? (in support or refuting):confused:
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Yes, it's for today! :D God never changes:
-Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8
-And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM Exo 3:14 (He didn't say, "I WAS" or "I WILL BE") :)

Whatever God said in His Word, He'll do:
-So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isa 55:11
-Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matt 24:35

He gave us the Holy Spirit, which speaks in tongues through us:
-But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26
-Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7
-ALL OF THE BOOK OF ACTS! :D
 
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Euphemia said:
God does speak to His people directly.
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BenFTW said:
The point is personal relationship, not just information on God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit but knowing them intimately. One can read the bible and yet deny fellowship with the Lord. That is sad because the word of God is about the plan of reconciliation.
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the Almighty does not speak to me directly nor am i a profit like the great Elijah. i am just a man seeking our Lord. and all i have is the bible to go by. i do my best to make the most of what i have.
 
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Jaybird,

Let me expand on this and try it from a different angle... IF, just assume for a moment if, tongues were real, what purpose would they serve and how?

Obviously there is public prophecy, which comes with strings attached... there must be an interpretation, and must not be anything new to scripture - one might consider it a current application of the existing Word of God. It serves as evidence of God, and as a faith-builder to us. This kind of tongue is one that would typically be gifted to only a few, to those with a calling for leadership. It is a leadership tool used among a group for team building, if I may. But, while this is more towards a calling than a spur of the moment gift, don't think it can't involve you if God needs it to.

The individual non-public tongue Paul wished everyone spoke - this private "prayer language" as we have come to know it... what purpose might that have? God tells us that by it, we speak mysteries. You know, there is a spiritual power in the spoken word... it sets loose and binds things both here and in the heavens. Suppose you are praying for a friend... you pray about the things you know about. But what about the things you don't know about - how do you speak prayer over that? The Holy Spirit knows. If only the Holy Spirit Who knows could speak thru me who doesn't... imagine that concept. It benefits not just the speaker and the receiver, but again grows faith among them.

Now, you're right, Jesus didn't say much other than the generic we will speak with new tongues. But Jesus did say that we will speak with new tongues. Paul, whom Jesus made a mouthpiece after His resurrection and after the Holy Spirit had come upon us, gives us guidelines on how what Jesus said is to be implemented. Used according to the guidelines, it is a very uplifting and powerful tool. Used according to Paul's guidelines.

How do we test that spirit? It must not contradict or add to God's Word, and it's ultimate glory must rise up the food chain all the way to Christ. Anything that falls short of those, suspect.

Paul never said anything that contradicted Christ. So it is up to you to resolve how they fit together, not if they fit together.
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i believe there is truth in what you say. i also believe our Lord reveals different things to different people that seek Him. there have been many things revealed to me, things that very few others seem to see.
 
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jaybird88 said:
the Almighty does not speak to me directly nor am i a profit like the great Elijah. i am just a man seeking our Lord. and all i have is the bible to go by. i do my best to make the most of what i have.
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Sure He does, if you are listening. God speaks through the scriptures, which is why we need to make sure we have the right attitude about the word. By the way, God does speak outside of scripture to us. Holy Spirit is not bound by the letter. He also speaks to some of us audibly. I have been blessed by such a blessed occasion.

But, be assured that God is always speaking.


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i like paul but he is not Jesus. everything paul taught was directing people back to what Jesus taught. i would not take any writings of paul and place them above what Jesus taught.
Jesus teaches nothing about tongues but He does put great emphases on laws of man and for us not to get caught up in them as they lead you away from the Lord.
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2 Tim.3:16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

(It's not only the letters in red that are the Word of God. All scripture is inspired by God.)

2 Peter 1:20 But know this first of all that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the HolySpirit spoke from God. NASB


 
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Amen..I agree. God always speaks to us. The Father in these last days speaks to us through His Son..our Lord Jesus.

Jesus used creation to often talk about spiritual truths..like..consider the lilies..the birds..how the Father will look after them..will He not do the same for you?

The Lord can speak to us through movies..books..the testimony of other people's lives. remember He is not in us trying to "hide" Himself from us.

He is awesome!


Euphemia said:
Sure He does, if you are listening. God speaks through the scriptures, which is why we need to make sure we have the right attitude about the word. By the way, God does speak outside of scripture to us. Holy Spirit is not bound by the letter. He also speaks to some of us audibly. I have been blessed by such a blessed occasion.

But, be assured that God is always speaking.


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notuptome

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LOLOKGal said:
Yes, it's for today! :D God never changes:
-Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8
-And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM Exo 3:14 (He didn't say, "I WAS" or "I WILL BE") :)

Whatever God said in His Word, He'll do:
-So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isa 55:11
-Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matt 24:35

He gave us the Holy Spirit, which speaks in tongues through us:
-But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26
-Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7
-ALL OF THE BOOK OF ACTS! :D
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Well two out of three isn't bad but you completely missed on the last point.

The Holy Spirit ministers to us in many ways and on a continuous basis. Tongues are the least of the sign gifts but they are not for today nor are they for Gentiles. Joel clearly states that these sign gifts are for your daughters and sons meaning Israel not for all flesh as the Holy Spirit is intended. Joel chapter 2. This is what Peter was explaining in Acts 2 regarding Joel's prophecy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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The only babble I see is posts like the one above..... jus' sayin'
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Some things like Gods word are Spiritually discerned. God said that.

For the cause of Christ
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notuptome

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RickyZ said:
Paul expounds upon what Christ did and said. When Paul says something that you feel cannot be traced back to Christ you dismiss it. The fact that Paul says something, and God thought it was important enough to include in His Word - then I think it's not Paul saying something un-Christ like, but our lack of understanding that just makes it seem that way.
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Paul was correcting not praising the church at Corinth. Paul was not encouraging tongues but explaining the misuse of tongues.

My I only wonder how some who claim tongues as a prayer language pray? God is not far off. God has bid me come into His presence through the blood of Christ and make my prayers and petitions known to Him. God does not seek a secret language just a contrite heart.

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

James did not suggest prayer tongues or tongues of angels.

For the cause of Christ
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LOLOKGal

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notuptome said:
Well two out of three isn't bad but you completely missed on the last point.

The Holy Spirit ministers to us in many ways and on a continuous basis. Tongues are the least of the sign gifts but they are not for today nor are they for Gentiles. Joel clearly states that these sign gifts are for your daughters and sons meaning Israel not for all flesh as the Holy Spirit is intended. Joel chapter 2. This is what Peter was explaining in Acts 2 regarding Joel's prophecy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Yes, you're right. The Holy Spirit does do more than just speak in tongues through us, but I was answering the original question. :)
 
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notuptome said:
Paul was correcting not praising the church at Corinth. Paul was not encouraging tongues but explaining the misuse of tongues.

My I only wonder how some who claim tongues as a prayer language pray? God is not far off. God has bid me come into His presence through the blood of Christ and make my prayers and petitions known to Him. God does not seek a secret language just a contrite heart.

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

James did not suggest prayer tongues or tongues of angels.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Paul was not encouraging tongues at Corinth.?


I would like everyone of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy 1cor 14:5

The above was written to gentiles!
 
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notuptome said:
Well two out of three isn't bad but you completely missed on the last point.

The Holy Spirit ministers to us in many ways and on a continuous basis. Tongues are the least of the sign gifts but they are not for today nor are they for Gentiles. Joel clearly states that these sign gifts are for your daughters and sons meaning Israel not for all flesh as the Holy Spirit is intended. Joel chapter 2. This is what Peter was explaining in Acts 2 regarding Joel's prophecy.

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Roger
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Still sticking to this nonsense ???

You do realize that the Corinthian church is a gentile church located in Greece ???
 
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Well two out of three isn't bad but you completely missed on the last point.

The Holy Spirit ministers to us in many ways and on a continuous basis. Tongues are the least of the sign gifts but they are not for today nor are they for Gentiles. Joel clearly states that these sign gifts are for your daughters and sons meaning Israel not for all flesh as the Holy Spirit is intended. Joel chapter 2. This is what Peter was explaining in Acts 2 regarding Joel's prophecy.

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Here we go again..... nothing but utter nonsense. Can you quote where tongues are the least of the gifts?

You totally desecrate the teaching of Paul where He says the wild olive branches are grafted into the natural olive tree (Rom. 11:1-32).

You also overlooked the fact that servants & handmaidens were listed. Jews had gentile bondslaves as well as Jewish.

You spout so much disinformation..... you should join the CIA or the Illuminati..... or maybe you already have.
 
RickyZ

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notuptome said:
Paul was not encouraging tongues

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1 Corinthians 14: 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues.

Kinda goes along with these gems, Rog:

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Mark 11:3

Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

Matthew 12:21

Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.

Originally Posted by notuptome :
You are not going to move mountains with your faith.
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Originally Posted by notuptome
So you believe in taking up deadly serpents? Drinking deadly poisons?
Roger

Mark 16:8 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

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1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him

Originally Posted by notuptome
What possible reason would one have to speak in an unknown tongue to God?
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You don't even understand that you just don't understand, Rog. Scripture will become much clearer to you when you stop contradicting it!
 
RickyZ

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Here Roger, you've prompted me to dig a little more and edit the above for completeness and clarification:

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Mark 11:3

Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

Matthew 12:21

Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.

Originally Posted by notuptome :
You are not going to move mountains with your faith.
Roger

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Mark 16:8 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them

Originally Posted by notuptome
So you believe in taking up deadly serpents? Drinking deadly poisons?
Roger

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1Co 14:4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.


Originally Posted by notuptome
What possible reason would one have to speak in an unknown tongue to God?
Roger

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1 Corinthians 14: 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14: 39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

Originally Posted by notuptome :
Paul was not encouraging tongues
Roger

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