IS that really in the bible? 3

[Grace777x70]

Some questions asked are in this video:

Where do you see this absolute "once for all " forgiveness talked about in the Bible?

You seem to think Christians don't have to ask for forgiveness on a continual basis. You said that the bible talks about our forgiveness in past tense. Show me that in the Bible?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OG0-TRAlVs

 

[KennethC]

I don't need a video for both Peter (2 Peter 1:9) and Paul (Romans 3:25) shows only past sins forgiven.

John shows us in 1 John confession needing to be made for future sins.

Also Paul warns Timothy twice about becoming impure again do to partaking in sin again. How can he become impure like Paul said if already forgiven ???

 

[Grace777x70]

Sometimes in my life I found the scripture below worked on me..lol I found that if I at least listened to see what was being said..it often turned out to be different from what "others" said... just sayin' ..bless you brother!

Proverbs 18:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] He who gives an answer before he hears, It is folly and shame to him.

I don't need a video for both Peter (2 Peter 1:9) and Paul (Romans 3:25) shows only past sins forgiven.

John shows us in 1 John confession needing to be made for future sins.

Also Paul warns Timothy twice about becoming impure again do to partaking in sin again. How can he become impure like Paul said if already forgiven ???

 

[KennethC]

Sometimes in my life I found the scripture below worked on me..lol I found that if I at least listened to see what was being said..it often turned out to be different from what "others" said... just sayin' ..bless you brother!

Proverbs 18:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] He who gives an answer before he hears, It is folly and shame to him.

There is sadly a lot being taught now days, and even some for many years that traditional teaching continues to hold to even though it does not align wit scripture.

I separated myself for 6 years from man made organization's and ideologies, and sat with the Word of God and the Holy Spirit to guide me in studies.

I prayed daily for His guidance in truth and only went to sources the Holy Spirit sent me to.

I wanted to make sure I was following Him and not man made versions that corrupt the Word.

I was lead to a number of things that was so badly taught.

Just like where in the bible does it say Jesus fulfilled all on the cross ???

I see that said a lot, but it is nowhere mentioned in scripture. Plus there is still some prophecies that are not fulfilled yet, and feasts that will not be fulfilled tell His second coming.

We must all learn to put God first in studies instead of man first, but unfortunately that is not how many study now days.

They may claim they do but if they are following a ism or keeping with tradition rather then following the Word we know the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't need a video for both Peter (2 Peter 1:9) and Paul (Romans 3:25) shows only past sins forgiven.

John shows us in 1 John confession needing to be made for future sins.

Also Paul warns Timothy twice about becoming impure again do to partaking in sin again. How can he become impure like Paul said if already forgiven ???

So Jesus paid for past sin. But the rest of our sin, we must earn and work to gain forgiveness.

ie, we are saved by the spirit (from past sin), but then must perfect that salvation in the flesh (future sin)

Thanks, But I will chose Gods word.

Does it frighten you to listen to what was said, how can you refute something you have not even heard. thats sad. but then again, you do it to us in the room, so I guess I should not be suprised.

 

[Grace777x70]

I did exactly the same thing as you. I am still learning stuff. I am constantly repenting as the Lord shows me new the beauty of our Lord's love for us!..It's absolutely how wonderful and unsearchable are the riches of His grace in Christ and in His finished work for us! Bless the Lord!

We have a good, good Father!

There is sadly a lot being taught now days, and even some for many years that traditional teaching continues to hold to even though it does not align wit scripture.

I separated myself for 6 years from man made organization's and ideologies, and sat with the Word of God and the Holy Spirit to guide me in studies.

I prayed daily for His guidance in truth and only went to sources the Holy Spirit sent me to.

I wanted to make sure I was following Him and not man made versions that corrupt the Word.

I was lead to a number of things that was so badly taught.

Just like where in the bible does it say Jesus fulfilled all on the cross ???

I see that said a lot, but it is nowhere mentioned in scripture. Plus there is still some prophecies that are not fulfilled yet, and feasts that will not be fulfilled tell His second coming.

We must all learn to put God first in studies instead of man first, but unfortunately that is not how many study now days.

They may claim they do but if they are following a ism or keeping with tradition rather then following the Word we know the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did exactly the same thing as you. I am still learning stuff. I am constantly repenting as the Lord shows me new the beauty of our Lord's love for us!..It's absolutely how wonderful and unsearchable are the riches of His grace in Christ and in His finished work for us! Bless the Lord!

We have a good, good Father!

Thank God he FINISHED the work. if he did not. we would all have no hope..

 

[BenFTW]

I don't need a video for both Peter (2 Peter 1:9) and Paul (Romans 3:25) shows only past sins forgiven.

John shows us in 1 John confession needing to be made for future sins.

Also Paul warns Timothy twice about becoming impure again do to partaking in sin again. How can he become impure like Paul said if already forgiven ???

Jesus paid for your sin on the cross before you committed it. Using the logic that future sin isn't/cant be forgiven does that mean Jesus died in vain? If sin must happen first in order to receive forgiveness then what did Christ accomplish on the cross? How can He pay the penalty for something not yet committed, following inline with that logic? Also on a technical basis if sin is only sin once committed then that means all sin is past, because once you commit it its in the past.

I've noticed you always seem to point out Timothy and the verse about becoming impure but the context clearly reveals the impurity is in reference to his witness, not his judicial standing before God on the basis of Christ. Its about laying on of hands and appointing leadership, and if you're endorsing someone who is in blatant sin that is a reflection on you as a leader, thereby affecting your witness.

 

[Grace777x70]

Well said!

It looks like it all boils down to the "lens" we use to view scripture.

Jesus paid for your sin on the cross before you committed it. Using the logic that future sin isn't/cant be forgiven does that mean Jesus died in vain? If sin must happen first in order to receive forgiveness then what did Christ accomplish on the cross? How can He pay the penalty for something not yet committed, following inline with that logic? Also on a technical basis if sin is only sin once committed then that means all sin is past, because once you commit it its in the past.

I've noticed you always seem to point out Timothy and the verse about becoming impure but the context clearly reveals the impurity is in reference to his witness, not his judicial standing before God on the basis of Christ. Its about laying on of hands and appointing leadership, and if you're endorsing someone who is in blatant sin that is a reflection on you as a leader, thereby affecting your witness.

 

[KennethC]

Jesus paid for your sin on the cross before you committed it. Using the logic that future sin isn't/cant be forgiven does that mean Jesus died in vain? If sin must happen first in order to receive forgiveness then what did Christ accomplish on the cross? How can He pay the penalty for something not yet committed, following inline with that logic? Also on a technical basis if sin is only sin once committed then that means all sin is past, because once you commit it its in the past.

I've noticed you always seem to point out Timothy and the verse about becoming impure but the context clearly reveals the impurity is in reference to his witness, not his judicial standing before God on the basis of Christ. Its about laying on of hands and appointing leadership, and if you're endorsing someone who is in blatant sin that is a reflection on you as a leader, thereby affecting your witness.

Where or what are you reading, you still show you respond without actually reading what a person said.

NOBODY said future sins can't be forgiven !!!

Sins are not automatically forgiven at the cross. We still have to place our faith in Jesus to receive that remission for our sins.

Unbelievers are not forgiven, Paul even states the law still exists for the unrighteous.

And about Timothy it is not about his witness, as it clearly states and shows that Timothy would be guilty of sin as well for being a partaker in their sins.

In other words if you accept the sinful behavior of others to continue then you are guilty of sinning as well.

The impurity is from sinning, not his witnessing.

You continue to want to toss out Jesus instructions to receive remission for sins to claim they only applied before the cross.

The failure is because Jesus teachings are for the new covenant. He gave the milk and Paul by the Holy Spirit gave the meat.

If you don't follow the milk then you would wrongfully be following the meat. You can not properly follow what Paul said if you are not following Jesus words first !!!

 

[BenFTW]

Well said!

It looks like it all boils down to the "lens" we use to view scripture.

That lens being the cross, the finished work of Jesus. Hebrews really gives an awesome understanding to all of this, to His grace and the total and complete forgiveness we have.

 

[KennethC]

A person is not forgiven before they repent !!!

Jesus paid the debt for sins on the cross, we still have to accept what He did and put our FAITH, LOVE, and TRUST in Him to receive that remission.

The cross does not void out Jesus teachings !!!

 

[KennethC]

Well said!

It looks like it all boils down to the "lens" we use to view scripture.

By stating it the way he did puts forgiveness of sins before repentance is made, or faith in Christ is established.

Debt is paid but still must be received !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A person is not forgiven before they repent !!!

Jesus paid the debt for sins on the cross, we still have to accept what He did and put our FAITH, LOVE, and TRUST in Him to receive that remission.

The cross does not void out Jesus teachings !!!

Our salvation was assured before the foundation. Jesus KNEW who would truly repent, and who would not. That is why we are predestined.

One does not repent over and over and over, that mocks the cross. and Gods character.

Your reading with tainted lenses.

 

[BenFTW]

Where or what are you reading, you still show you respond without actually reading what a person said.

NOBODY said future sins can't be forgiven !!!

Sins are not automatically forgiven at the cross. We still have to place our faith in Jesus to receive that remission for our sins.

Unbelievers are not forgiven, Paul even states the law still exists for the unrighteous.

And about Timothy it is not about his witness, as it clearly states and shows that Timothy would be guilty of sin as well for being a partaker in their sins.

In other words if you accept the sinful behavior of others to continue then you are guilty of sinning as well.

The impurity is from sinning, not his witnessing.

You continue to want to toss out Jesus instructions to receive remission for sins to claim they only applied before the cross.

The failure is because Jesus teachings are for the new covenant. He gave the milk and Paul by the Holy Spirit gave the meat.

If you don't follow the milk then you would wrongfully be following the meat. You can not properly follow what Paul said if you are not following Jesus words first !!!

You misread what I said, or misunderstood. Also, I read what you wrote. The future sin not being able to be forgiven was in reference to forgiveness prior to committing the sin, not that future sin is incapable of receiving forgiveness.

Also the world's sin has been taken care of at the cross, they only need to place faith in Christ to receive such forgiveness. That is why in John it speaks of Christ being the propitiation for the sins of the world. No, I am not speaking of universalism, but simply the finished work of the cross that offers reconciliation to God for the world through Jesus. How does it go, "God so loved the world..."?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By stating it the way he did puts forgiveness of sins before repentance is made, or faith in Christ is established.

Debt is paid but still must be received !!!

ya dont recieve it, give it back, recieve it, give it back, recieve it,, give it back..

Like some (like you) preach.

 

[Grace777x70]

Let's look at it through what scripture ahs to say about repentance concerning preaching the gospel. I know we have been taught differently through our religious upbringing and beliefs handed down to us. Let's let God's word speak life to us.

Peter preached the gospel of the grace of Christ. to Cornelius ..no repentence used

Acts 10:43-44 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
They were not told to "repent" here. I love how the Holy Spirit "falls upon " them as soon s they hear about the forgiveness of sins proclaimed to them because of Christ!

Peter got in trouble with the jewish Christians when he went back...he says in Acts 11:17,18

Acts 11:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

What was there repentance?...they changed their mind toward God and had faith in Jesus.

Notice that it was God that granted them repentance. New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce.

2 Tim 2:24-25 says that God may grant them repentance so that they may know the truth. God grants the repentance..not a work we do on our own.

Paul preached the gospel of grace here in the only recorded time in scripture.

Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,
[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Again ..no telling them to "repent"...but Paul did tell them .." urged them to continue in the grace of God"

Both of the examples we have of New Covenant preaching about the gospel of grace had NO words of telling people to repent.

These clearly show that "repentance " was not told to them

So, another point..does repentance mean to be sorrowful for your sin? Judas "repented "

Matthew 27:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

The word used here for "repent" is not the same word for normally used for repentance ( which is = change your mind in greek )..the word used here is completely different..it means to be sorrowful.

So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind and turn to God and believe in Jesus and hat He has done.

There is a change after we come to Christ and His life in us transforms us.

We do not say it's ok to sin...grace says the exact opposite...and maybe no matter how many times we say it..people will only "hear" what they want to believe.

We all need to repent every day as we hear the beauty of our Lord proclaimed!

Brethern ...I urge you to believe in the awesome greatness and splendor of our Lord's magnificent finished work on our behalf!

A person is not forgiven before they repent !!!

Jesus paid the debt for sins on the cross, we still have to accept what He did and put our FAITH, LOVE, and TRUST in Him to receive that remission.

The cross does not void out Jesus teachings !!!

 

[Grace777x70]

John 1:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Sin is taken away in Christ..Believe the gospel of the grace of Christ! Repent ( change your mind ) It is finished as Jesus said before He died.


1 Timothy 4:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

You misread what I said, or misunderstood. Also, I read what you wrote. The future sin not being able to be forgiven was in reference to forgiveness prior to committing the sin, not that future sin is incapable of receiving forgiveness.

Also the world's sin has been taken care of at the cross, they only need to place faith in Christ to receive such forgiveness. That is why in John it speaks of Christ being the propitiation for the sins of the world. No, I am not speaking of universalism, but simply the finished work of the cross that offers reconciliation to God for the world through Jesus. How does it go, "God so loved the world..."?

 

[valiant]

By stating it the way he did puts forgiveness of sins before repentance is made, or faith in Christ is established.

Debt is paid but still must be received !!!

But what debt was paid by Christ? ALL our debt. It is because of this that we have no further need of a sacrifice for sins. 'He has perfected for ever those who are being sanctified' (Heb 10.14). He could not have put it clearer. If we are in process of sanctification we are perfected for ever in His sight. Where then is the need for further forgiveness in order to be acceptable in His sight? We are perfected for ever.

What you overlook is the necessity of the forgiveness of sins in the sight of the Judge, which is once for all, covered by our substitute, where the verdict is 'perfected for ever', and the need of a child for forgiveness from his daily sins in order to restore daily relationship with his father. It is these for which he is chastened.

 

[KennethC]

Let's look at it through what scripture ahs to say about repentance concerning preaching the gospel. I know we have been taught differently through our religious upbringing and beliefs handed down to us. Let's let God's word speak life to us.

Peter preached the gospel of the grace of Christ. to Cornelius ..no repentence used

Acts 10:43-44 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
They were not told to "repent" here. I love how the Holy Spirit "falls upon " them as soon s they hear about the forgiveness of sins proclaimed to them because of Christ!

Peter got in trouble with the jewish Christians when he went back...he says in Acts 11:17,18

Acts 11:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

What was there repentance?...they changed their mind toward God and had faith in Jesus.

Notice that it was God that granted them repentance. New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce.

2 Tim 2:24-25 says that God may grant them repentance so that they may know the truth. God grants the repentance..not a work we do on our own.

Paul preached the gospel of grace here in the only recorded time in scripture.

Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,
[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Again ..no telling them to "repent"...but Paul did tell them .." urged them to continue in the grace of God"

Both of the examples we have of New Covenant preaching about the gospel of grace had NO words of telling people to repent.

These clearly show that "repentance " was not told to them

So, another point..does repentance mean to be sorrowful for your sin? Judas "repented "

Matthew 27:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

The word used here for "repent" is not the same word for normally used for repentance ( which is = change your mind in greek )..the word used here is completely different..it means to be sorrowful.

So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind and turn to God and believe in Jesus and hat He has done.

There is a change after we come to Christ and His life in us transforms us.

We do not say it's ok to sin...grace says the exact opposite...and maybe no matter how many times we say it..people will only "hear" what they want to believe.

We all need to repent every day as we hear the beauty of our Lord proclaimed!

Brethern ...I urge you to believe in the awesome greatness and splendor of our Lord's magnificent finished work on our behalf!

Really, pulling scriptures to make them say what you want and leaving off other parts.

That does God's word no justice !!!

Peter did preach and teach repentance, so did Paul, so I suggest more study done.

Word of advice: Just because a word is not mentioned in every place/scripture does not mean it was voided or done away with.