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You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink, but the spirit of the living God, NOT ON TABLETS OF STONE BUT ON TABLETS OF HUMAN HEARTS 2cor 3:3
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb 10:16&17
Under the old covenant the law hung on love God and love your neighbour, but the law was still in place.
Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS, not full stop!
Rom 10:4
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb 10:16&17
Under the old covenant the law hung on love God and love your neighbour, but the law was still in place.
Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS, not full stop!
Rom 10:4
The law on your heart cannot condemn you. It has been put there to cut out a licence to sin, that is why you get such grace. Notice how the covenant is worded and which comes first:
I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts
THEN HE ADDS( only because this has happened)
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember NO MORE
Heb 10:16&17
If you wilfully go against the law on your heart your conscience will seer you. Non christians are not subject to that conscience I they break Gods, laws. And you will have no rest, no peace until you come before your father in heaven and bow the knee when your conscience is seered.
It is the only way scripture fits under the new covenant.
For Jesus did die at Calvary for all the sin of a born again believer
Rom 10:4, rom3:20-22, Gal2:21, phil3:9 etc
I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts
THEN HE ADDS( only because this has happened)
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember NO MORE
Heb 10:16&17
If you wilfully go against the law on your heart your conscience will seer you. Non christians are not subject to that conscience I they break Gods, laws. And you will have no rest, no peace until you come before your father in heaven and bow the knee when your conscience is seered.
It is the only way scripture fits under the new covenant.
For Jesus did die at Calvary for all the sin of a born again believer
Rom 10:4, rom3:20-22, Gal2:21, phil3:9 etc
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Hey James57, Wanted to post both your posts and comment. My mind works somewhat differently than yours so here is mho interspersed in your 2 posts....
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There are two types of sin
One type is the sin you commit because you cannot be perfect in the flesh. You are a work in progress as a christian all your life.
2 types of sin? I just know sin as sin is sin is sin. Jesus blood washes all sin the same., doesn't need more blood for some and less for others. It's all the same. We cannot ever be perfect in the flesh and we are each day being transformed into the image of Christ.
You can be led of the holy spirit in the truth of the Gospel message and still sin( though it would be blasphemy to believe the holy spirit would lead you to commit sin) gal 2:15-18 explains this.
However, there is wilfull, deliberate sin when we choose to step outside of being a work in progress and do not follow after the holy spirit I the truth of the Gospel message. The two must be viewed very differently.
Can't see how we can see these sins as different since all sin is sin is sin. I must put before you James57 that the point of grace discussion for me is that grace is undeserved unmerited love favor forgiveness. Where there is sin, grace does much more abound. But also, it must be said that a Christian who is looking for a loophole to sin is not walking in grace. That there is a carnal Christian who is seeking to sin. There is something wrong here.
As was mentioned before --- what grace preaching teacher or Christian adheres to sin all you want for you are able to use Jesus blood to cover your sins so yiiippppeeee lets be sinning and show our appreciation for Jesus great awesome gift by sinning??? No no that is not the mindset of a Christian who understands the sacrifice and the sin that was paid for. no.no., that is not a man who understands grace.,or appreciates it properly.
IE
I sleep with a married woman who has three children. Her husband leaves her because of it. The children now do not have their father living with then because of their actions. You can say i should simply repent by having a change of heart, but few would agree with that view. In my spirit I couldn't, and most seem to think I promote a licence to sin!
A carnal Christian does not understand grace. For that man is seeking to ruin a marriage and family. That man is not walking as Christ walks. That man is NOT even SEEING to walk as Christ walks. That man does not love others as Christ has loved him. That man is carnal., and the carnal mind is enmity with God., it does not understand what grace in the life means for the Christian. And I have to say that man is NOT an example of a person who is walking in the fullness of his salvation. He is walking according to his flesh. That guy is not joyful., not content.,not walking out his salvation with all seriousness or sober mindedness.
Grace is not even a working thought in his mind since ----Grace TEACHES HOW to live soberly righteously and godly IN THIS PRESENT WORLD. That man is not learning how to live soberly,righteously and godly at all..,
Please., let's not blame the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought for how a carnal man is walking., for that carnal Christian (if he is a Christian) is not open to being taught 'grace' in the life. He is still walking according to his flesh and the Bible tells us to be sober., be vigilant for your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.... THAT man is 'devour able' and open to many consequences for his sinning. He will lose his joy, lose his mind in confusion, will also lose his health by being open to diseases this sort of lifestyle brings. satan hates humans but he especially hates the foolish Christian who is a son and is acting like a pig. satan has a field day with such Christians. And those sort of Christians are the ones people point to as examples of grace. Totally wrong. People like that are just like Christians who are walking as cowards., or walking in jealousy., or easily angered, or prideful, or condemning... or envying or drunk, or causing disputes and dissensions and factions.
No., those people do not know about grace for if they did they would be walking accordingly.
When you are led by the spirit you are not under lawGal5:18
That must be read in context I hope my two examples show that
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There are two types of sin
One type is the sin you commit because you cannot be perfect in the flesh. You are a work in progress as a christian all your life.
2 types of sin? I just know sin as sin is sin is sin. Jesus blood washes all sin the same., doesn't need more blood for some and less for others. It's all the same. We cannot ever be perfect in the flesh and we are each day being transformed into the image of Christ.
You can be led of the holy spirit in the truth of the Gospel message and still sin( though it would be blasphemy to believe the holy spirit would lead you to commit sin) gal 2:15-18 explains this.
However, there is wilfull, deliberate sin when we choose to step outside of being a work in progress and do not follow after the holy spirit I the truth of the Gospel message. The two must be viewed very differently.
Can't see how we can see these sins as different since all sin is sin is sin. I must put before you James57 that the point of grace discussion for me is that grace is undeserved unmerited love favor forgiveness. Where there is sin, grace does much more abound. But also, it must be said that a Christian who is looking for a loophole to sin is not walking in grace. That there is a carnal Christian who is seeking to sin. There is something wrong here.
As was mentioned before --- what grace preaching teacher or Christian adheres to sin all you want for you are able to use Jesus blood to cover your sins so yiiippppeeee lets be sinning and show our appreciation for Jesus great awesome gift by sinning??? No no that is not the mindset of a Christian who understands the sacrifice and the sin that was paid for. no.no., that is not a man who understands grace.,or appreciates it properly.
IE
I sleep with a married woman who has three children. Her husband leaves her because of it. The children now do not have their father living with then because of their actions. You can say i should simply repent by having a change of heart, but few would agree with that view. In my spirit I couldn't, and most seem to think I promote a licence to sin!
A carnal Christian does not understand grace. For that man is seeking to ruin a marriage and family. That man is not walking as Christ walks. That man is NOT even SEEING to walk as Christ walks. That man does not love others as Christ has loved him. That man is carnal., and the carnal mind is enmity with God., it does not understand what grace in the life means for the Christian. And I have to say that man is NOT an example of a person who is walking in the fullness of his salvation. He is walking according to his flesh. That guy is not joyful., not content.,not walking out his salvation with all seriousness or sober mindedness.
Grace is not even a working thought in his mind since ----Grace TEACHES HOW to live soberly righteously and godly IN THIS PRESENT WORLD. That man is not learning how to live soberly,righteously and godly at all..,
Please., let's not blame the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought for how a carnal man is walking., for that carnal Christian (if he is a Christian) is not open to being taught 'grace' in the life. He is still walking according to his flesh and the Bible tells us to be sober., be vigilant for your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.... THAT man is 'devour able' and open to many consequences for his sinning. He will lose his joy, lose his mind in confusion, will also lose his health by being open to diseases this sort of lifestyle brings. satan hates humans but he especially hates the foolish Christian who is a son and is acting like a pig. satan has a field day with such Christians. And those sort of Christians are the ones people point to as examples of grace. Totally wrong. People like that are just like Christians who are walking as cowards., or walking in jealousy., or easily angered, or prideful, or condemning... or envying or drunk, or causing disputes and dissensions and factions. No., those people do not know about grace for if they did they would be walking accordingly.
When you are led by the spirit you are not under lawGal5:18
That must be read in context I hope my two examples show that
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Hey James57, Wanted to post both your posts and comment. My mind works somewhat differently than yours so here is mho interspersed in your 2 posts....
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There are two types of sin
One type is the sin you commit because you cannot be perfect in the flesh. You are a work in progress as a christian all your life.
2 types of sin? I just know sin as sin is sin is sin. Jesus blood washes all sin the same., doesn't need more blood for some and less for others. It's all the same. We cannot ever be perfect in the flesh and we are each day being transformed into the image of Christ.
You can be led of the holy spirit in the truth of the Gospel message and still sin( though it would be blasphemy to believe the holy spirit would lead you to commit sin) gal 2:15-18 explains this.
However, there is wilfull, deliberate sin when we choose to step outside of being a work in progress and do not follow after the holy spirit I the truth of the Gospel message. The two must be viewed very differently.
Can't see how we can see these sins as different since all sin is sin is sin. I must put before you James57 that the point of grace discussion for me is that grace is undeserved unmerited love favor forgiveness. Where there is sin, grace does much more abound. But also, it must be said that a Christian who is looking for a loophole to sin is not walking in grace. That there is a carnal Christian who is seeking to sin. There is something wrong here.
As was mentioned before --- what grace preaching teacher or Christian adheres to sin all you want for you are able to use Jesus blood to cover your sins so yiiippppeeee lets be sinning and show our appreciation for Jesus great awesome gift by sinning??? No no that is not the mindset of a Christian who understands the sacrifice and the sin that was paid for. no.no., that is not a man who understands grace.,or appreciates it properly.
IE
I sleep with a married woman who has three children. Her husband leaves her because of it. The children now do not have their father living with then because of their actions. You can say i should simply repent by having a change of heart, but few would agree with that view. In my spirit I couldn't, and most seem to think I promote a licence to sin!
A carnal Christian does not understand grace. For that man is seeking to ruin a marriage and family. That man is not walking as Christ walks. That man is NOT even SEEING to walk as Christ walks. That man does not love others as Christ has loved him. That man is carnal., and the carnal mind is enmity with God., it does not understand what grace in the life means for the Christian. And I have to say that man is NOT an example of a person who is walking in the fullness of his salvation. He is walking according to his flesh. That guy is not joyful., not content.,not walking out his salvation with all seriousness or sober mindedness.
Grace is not even a working thought in his mind since ----Grace TEACHES HOW to live soberly righteously and godly IN THIS PRESENT WORLD. That man is not learning how to live soberly,righteously and godly at all.., Please., let's not blame the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought for how a carnal man is walking., for that carnal Christian (if he is a Christian) is not open to being taught 'grace' in the life. He is still walking according to his flesh and the Bible tells us to be sober., be vigilant for your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.... THAT man is 'devour able' and open to many consequences for his sinning. He will lose his joy, lose his mind in confusion, will also lose his health by being open to diseases this sort of lifestyle brings. satan hates humans but he especially hates the foolish Christian who is a son and is acting like a pig. satan has a field day with such Christians. And those sort of Christians are the ones people point to as examples of grace. Totally wrong. People like that are just like Christians who are walking as cowards., or walking in jealousy., or easily angered, or prideful, or condemning... or envying or drunk, or causing disputes and dissensions and factions.
No., those people do not know about grace for if they did they would be walking accordingly.
When you are led by the spirit you are not under lawGal5:18
That must be read in context I hope my two examples show that
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There are two types of sin
One type is the sin you commit because you cannot be perfect in the flesh. You are a work in progress as a christian all your life.
2 types of sin? I just know sin as sin is sin is sin. Jesus blood washes all sin the same., doesn't need more blood for some and less for others. It's all the same. We cannot ever be perfect in the flesh and we are each day being transformed into the image of Christ.
You can be led of the holy spirit in the truth of the Gospel message and still sin( though it would be blasphemy to believe the holy spirit would lead you to commit sin) gal 2:15-18 explains this.
However, there is wilfull, deliberate sin when we choose to step outside of being a work in progress and do not follow after the holy spirit I the truth of the Gospel message. The two must be viewed very differently.
Can't see how we can see these sins as different since all sin is sin is sin. I must put before you James57 that the point of grace discussion for me is that grace is undeserved unmerited love favor forgiveness. Where there is sin, grace does much more abound. But also, it must be said that a Christian who is looking for a loophole to sin is not walking in grace. That there is a carnal Christian who is seeking to sin. There is something wrong here.
As was mentioned before --- what grace preaching teacher or Christian adheres to sin all you want for you are able to use Jesus blood to cover your sins so yiiippppeeee lets be sinning and show our appreciation for Jesus great awesome gift by sinning??? No no that is not the mindset of a Christian who understands the sacrifice and the sin that was paid for. no.no., that is not a man who understands grace.,or appreciates it properly.
IE
I sleep with a married woman who has three children. Her husband leaves her because of it. The children now do not have their father living with then because of their actions. You can say i should simply repent by having a change of heart, but few would agree with that view. In my spirit I couldn't, and most seem to think I promote a licence to sin!
A carnal Christian does not understand grace. For that man is seeking to ruin a marriage and family. That man is not walking as Christ walks. That man is NOT even SEEING to walk as Christ walks. That man does not love others as Christ has loved him. That man is carnal., and the carnal mind is enmity with God., it does not understand what grace in the life means for the Christian. And I have to say that man is NOT an example of a person who is walking in the fullness of his salvation. He is walking according to his flesh. That guy is not joyful., not content.,not walking out his salvation with all seriousness or sober mindedness.
Grace is not even a working thought in his mind since ----Grace TEACHES HOW to live soberly righteously and godly IN THIS PRESENT WORLD. That man is not learning how to live soberly,righteously and godly at all..,
Please., let's not blame the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought for how a carnal man is walking., for that carnal Christian (if he is a Christian) is not open to being taught 'grace' in the life. He is still walking according to his flesh and the Bible tells us to be sober., be vigilant for your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.... THAT man is 'devour able' and open to many consequences for his sinning. He will lose his joy, lose his mind in confusion, will also lose his health by being open to diseases this sort of lifestyle brings. satan hates humans but he especially hates the foolish Christian who is a son and is acting like a pig. satan has a field day with such Christians. And those sort of Christians are the ones people point to as examples of grace. Totally wrong. People like that are just like Christians who are walking as cowards., or walking in jealousy., or easily angered, or prideful, or condemning... or envying or drunk, or causing disputes and dissensions and factions. No., those people do not know about grace for if they did they would be walking accordingly.
When you are led by the spirit you are not under lawGal5:18
That must be read in context I hope my two examples show that
An alcoholic becomes a christian. He earnestly desires to see victory over his alcohol addiction. He is seeking to cross over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness( gal2:15-18)
He seeks this crossing over by faith in Christ, not works of the law. Lets say for example it takes him a month to be set free from his addiction to alcohol. During this time he is seeking victory over something he is a slave to, by faith in Christ as he I called to do. He desperately wants to see this victory. His job in these circumstances I to keep looking to his saviour for he I following the truth of the Gospel message. He needs to trust Jesus, not keep repenting of what he is desperate to be free from.
So then by faith in Christ he is set free from being a slave of alcohol.
A couple of months later he is bored one night, goes to the pub and gets drunk.
Two totally different things, and they must be viewed as such
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no., not what I see in the Bible James57. If you are saved by grace through faith you must learn how to walk in that grace. This man who is not having victory over his sin (and since he is a believer) has yet to learn to walk in the freedom Christ has paid for him to walk. Do you know how many believers are still jealous envious mean spirited as well as nasty? Those kind of Christians also have not yet learned how to walk in newness of life. That man you described who is the alcoholic has yet to learn how Christ can set him free.
He is no different than those nasty people in church who gossip about the pretty young woman who just joined the church., or the angry man who belittles his wife at home but at church he is a deacon. We are all learning how to walk (work out our own salvation with fear and trembling) meaning in seriousness and sober mindedness. Some are farther along than others.
I was saved many years before I understood Jesus paid for all my sins past present and future. Another reason why it is so important not to label people and be so quick to call out the name "heretic" as is so often done in these forums.
Our salvation is so great a salvation and so many of us have yet to walk in the fullness of it. Jesus can and will free us from our issues that came from our sin. He is willing and able. Our minds need to be transformed but many of us have yet to give up our minds to Him. That alcoholic can survive without that drink he just thinks he can't. Jesus is able where we are not. As a matter of fact we are learning how to let Him live through us. We have already been given the gift., now we learn to walk it out. He has already given us the spirit of self control., ... the man needs to walk it out. Work out what He has put in.... Amen!!
He is no different than those nasty people in church who gossip about the pretty young woman who just joined the church., or the angry man who belittles his wife at home but at church he is a deacon. We are all learning how to walk (work out our own salvation with fear and trembling) meaning in seriousness and sober mindedness. Some are farther along than others.
I was saved many years before I understood Jesus paid for all my sins past present and future. Another reason why it is so important not to label people and be so quick to call out the name "heretic" as is so often done in these forums.
Our salvation is so great a salvation and so many of us have yet to walk in the fullness of it. Jesus can and will free us from our issues that came from our sin. He is willing and able. Our minds need to be transformed but many of us have yet to give up our minds to Him. That alcoholic can survive without that drink he just thinks he can't. Jesus is able where we are not. As a matter of fact we are learning how to let Him live through us. We have already been given the gift., now we learn to walk it out. He has already given us the spirit of self control., ... the man needs to walk it out. Work out what He has put in.... Amen!!
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Hey James57, Wanted to post both your posts and comment. My mind works somewhat differently than yours so here is mho interspersed in your 2 posts....
Who is blaming the gospel of grace for how a carnal man walks?
Do you believe it I not possible for a person who understands grace to as a one time event sleep with someone?
Is it not possible for someone who understands grace ever to give into the flesh?
Do you and grace not believe all of Paul's life he could not do the good he wanted to do, but rather what he hated to do, the evil he did not want to do he kept on doing. Paul was sold as a slave to sin all of his christian life.
If you believe Tha of Paul who understood grace would you not believe someone else who understands grace would find it impossible to do Tha which he knows he should not do-even once?
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There are two types of sin
One type is the sin you commit because you cannot be perfect in the flesh. You are a work in progress as a christian all your life.
2 types of sin? I just know sin as sin is sin is sin. Jesus blood washes all sin the same., doesn't need more blood for some and less for others. It's all the same. We cannot ever be perfect in the flesh and we are each day being transformed into the image of Christ.
You can be led of the holy spirit in the truth of the Gospel message and still sin( though it would be blasphemy to believe the holy spirit would lead you to commit sin) gal 2:15-18 explains this.
However, there is wilfull, deliberate sin when we choose to step outside of being a work in progress and do not follow after the holy spirit I the truth of the Gospel message. The two must be viewed very differently.
Can't see how we can see these sins as different since all sin is sin is sin. I must put before you James57 that the point of grace discussion for me is that grace is undeserved unmerited love favor forgiveness. Where there is sin, grace does much more abound. But also, it must be said that a Christian who is looking for a loophole to sin is not walking in grace. That there is a carnal Christian who is seeking to sin. There is something wrong here.
As was mentioned before --- what grace preaching teacher or Christian adheres to sin all you want for you are able to use Jesus blood to cover your sins so yiiippppeeee lets be sinning and show our appreciation for Jesus great awesome gift by sinning??? No no that is not the mindset of a Christian who understands the sacrifice and the sin that was paid for. no.no., that is not a man who understands grace.,or appreciates it properly.
IE
I sleep with a married woman who has three children. Her husband leaves her because of it. The children now do not have their father living with then because of their actions. You can say i should simply repent by having a change of heart, but few would agree with that view. In my spirit I couldn't, and most seem to think I promote a licence to sin!
A carnal Christian does not understand grace. For that man is seeking to ruin a marriage and family. That man is not walking as Christ walks. That man is NOT even SEEING to walk as Christ walks. That man does not love others as Christ has loved him. That man is carnal., and the carnal mind is enmity with God., it does not understand what grace in the life means for the Christian. And I have to say that man is NOT an example of a person who is walking in the fullness of his salvation. He is walking according to his flesh. That guy is not joyful., not content.,not walking out his salvation with all seriousness or sober mindedness.
Grace is not even a working thought in his mind since ----Grace TEACHES HOW to live soberly righteously and godly IN THIS PRESENT WORLD. That man is not learning how to live soberly,righteously and godly at all.., Please., let's not blame the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought for how a carnal man is walking., for that carnal Christian (if he is a Christian) is not open to being taught 'grace' in the life. He is still walking according to his flesh and the Bible tells us to be sober., be vigilant for your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.... THAT man is 'devour able' and open to many consequences for his sinning. He will lose his joy, lose his mind in confusion, will also lose his health by being open to diseases this sort of lifestyle brings. satan hates humans but he especially hates the foolish Christian who is a son and is acting like a pig. satan has a field day with such Christians. And those sort of Christians are the ones people point to as examples of grace. Totally wrong. People like that are just like Christians who are walking as cowards., or walking in jealousy., or easily angered, or prideful, or condemning... or envying or drunk, or causing disputes and dissensions and factions.
No., those people do not know about grace for if they did they would be walking accordingly.
When you are led by the spirit you are not under lawGal5:18
That must be read in context I hope my two examples show that
Who is blaming the gospel of grace for how a carnal man walks?
Do you believe it I not possible for a person who understands grace to as a one time event sleep with someone?
Is it not possible for someone who understands grace ever to give into the flesh?
Do you and grace not believe all of Paul's life he could not do the good he wanted to do, but rather what he hated to do, the evil he did not want to do he kept on doing. Paul was sold as a slave to sin all of his christian life.
If you believe Tha of Paul who understood grace would you not believe someone else who understands grace would find it impossible to do Tha which he knows he should not do-even once?
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There are two types of sin
One type is the sin you commit because you cannot be perfect in the flesh. You are a work in progress as a christian all your life.
2 types of sin? I just know sin as sin is sin is sin. Jesus blood washes all sin the same., doesn't need more blood for some and less for others. It's all the same. We cannot ever be perfect in the flesh and we are each day being transformed into the image of Christ.
You can be led of the holy spirit in the truth of the Gospel message and still sin( though it would be blasphemy to believe the holy spirit would lead you to commit sin) gal 2:15-18 explains this.
However, there is wilfull, deliberate sin when we choose to step outside of being a work in progress and do not follow after the holy spirit I the truth of the Gospel message. The two must be viewed very differently.
Can't see how we can see these sins as different since all sin is sin is sin. I must put before you James57 that the point of grace discussion for me is that grace is undeserved unmerited love favor forgiveness. Where there is sin, grace does much more abound. But also, it must be said that a Christian who is looking for a loophole to sin is not walking in grace. That there is a carnal Christian who is seeking to sin. There is something wrong here.
As was mentioned before --- what grace preaching teacher or Christian adheres to sin all you want for you are able to use Jesus blood to cover your sins so yiiippppeeee lets be sinning and show our appreciation for Jesus great awesome gift by sinning??? No no that is not the mindset of a Christian who understands the sacrifice and the sin that was paid for. no.no., that is not a man who understands grace.,or appreciates it properly.
IE
I sleep with a married woman who has three children. Her husband leaves her because of it. The children now do not have their father living with then because of their actions. You can say i should simply repent by having a change of heart, but few would agree with that view. In my spirit I couldn't, and most seem to think I promote a licence to sin!
A carnal Christian does not understand grace. For that man is seeking to ruin a marriage and family. That man is not walking as Christ walks. That man is NOT even SEEING to walk as Christ walks. That man does not love others as Christ has loved him. That man is carnal., and the carnal mind is enmity with God., it does not understand what grace in the life means for the Christian. And I have to say that man is NOT an example of a person who is walking in the fullness of his salvation. He is walking according to his flesh. That guy is not joyful., not content.,not walking out his salvation with all seriousness or sober mindedness.
Grace is not even a working thought in his mind since ----Grace TEACHES HOW to live soberly righteously and godly IN THIS PRESENT WORLD. That man is not learning how to live soberly,righteously and godly at all..,
Please., let's not blame the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus brought for how a carnal man is walking., for that carnal Christian (if he is a Christian) is not open to being taught 'grace' in the life. He is still walking according to his flesh and the Bible tells us to be sober., be vigilant for your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.... THAT man is 'devour able' and open to many consequences for his sinning. He will lose his joy, lose his mind in confusion, will also lose his health by being open to diseases this sort of lifestyle brings. satan hates humans but he especially hates the foolish Christian who is a son and is acting like a pig. satan has a field day with such Christians. And those sort of Christians are the ones people point to as examples of grace. Totally wrong. People like that are just like Christians who are walking as cowards., or walking in jealousy., or easily angered, or prideful, or condemning... or envying or drunk, or causing disputes and dissensions and factions. No., those people do not know about grace for if they did they would be walking accordingly.
When you are led by the spirit you are not under lawGal5:18
That must be read in context I hope my two examples show that
I am truly sorry if you cannot see the difference in those two examples.
I can only repeat, you and grace770 believe all of Paul's christian life he was sold as a slave to sin. He could not do the good he wanted to do but rather the evil he did not want to do- that which he hated he kept on doing.
I mean Thi sincerely. If that is how you believe Paul lived his whole christian life, and he certainly understood grace, I cannot understand how you believe a christian today- even once could not do that which he knows he should not do.
Wouldn't Tha be expecting more of christians today than was expected of Paul?
I would reiterate. In my examples I gave examples of one off events, not a continued lifestyle of the things mentioned
I can only repeat, you and grace770 believe all of Paul's christian life he was sold as a slave to sin. He could not do the good he wanted to do but rather the evil he did not want to do- that which he hated he kept on doing.
I mean Thi sincerely. If that is how you believe Paul lived his whole christian life, and he certainly understood grace, I cannot understand how you believe a christian today- even once could not do that which he knows he should not do.
Wouldn't Tha be expecting more of christians today than was expected of Paul?
I would reiterate. In my examples I gave examples of one off events, not a continued lifestyle of the things mentioned
So..let's say that I am fearful of what is going to happen on this earth next year...I am breaking that "Sabbath rest"..will I go to hell for that?
Ley's say that I get in a fight with my brother..I am angry at him...and tell him ..I will not forgive you!.... I go to bed with this stupid attitude..I die in my sleep..will I go to hell because I have not loved my brother..seeing I broke a commandment?
I'm trying to find out how much sin is too much..that even though Jesus's blood has taken all sin away...how much sin is needed before God throws out His salvation to us?..Which He said ..I will never leave you nor forsake you..and the Holy Spirit will never leave either..
So..does God lie to us?
You see Ken..these are legitimate questions that come to a person's mine when salvation is based on our performance and not belief in what Christ has already finished for us...see the dilemma we have here?
BTW I agree that Jesus fulfilled all the law for us including the Sabbath!..and a christian would never even have to have heard about the 10 commandments and he would fulfill them in Christ.
Ley's say that I get in a fight with my brother..I am angry at him...and tell him ..I will not forgive you!.... I go to bed with this stupid attitude..I die in my sleep..will I go to hell because I have not loved my brother..seeing I broke a commandment?
I'm trying to find out how much sin is too much..that even though Jesus's blood has taken all sin away...how much sin is needed before God throws out His salvation to us?..Which He said ..I will never leave you nor forsake you..and the Holy Spirit will never leave either..
So..does God lie to us?
You see Ken..these are legitimate questions that come to a person's mine when salvation is based on our performance and not belief in what Christ has already finished for us...see the dilemma we have here?
BTW I agree that Jesus fulfilled all the law for us including the Sabbath!..and a christian would never even have to have heard about the 10 commandments and he would fulfill them in Christ.
I forgot about the scripture that talks about our rest in Him..
Hebrews 4:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
So, we are to rest completely on what HE has done..and we stop our own works.....the rest does not depend on "following the teachings of Jesus"..(which of course we do because of His life in us).... but the Sabbaoth rest is Jesus..not the works we do..
Again..it's that pesky ..how we view things..the "lens"..
Hebrews 4:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
So, we are to rest completely on what HE has done..and we stop our own works.....the rest does not depend on "following the teachings of Jesus"..(which of course we do because of His life in us).... but the Sabbaoth rest is Jesus..not the works we do..
Again..it's that pesky ..how we view things..the "lens"..
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I'm sorry James57, you misunderstand my posts., I do not believe Paul's Christian life was one of being 'sold as a slave to sin' ???? not sure how you interpreted this from any of my posts. Paul ran the race he finished the course. He let Christ live through him., and the life Paul lived - Paul lived by the faith of the Son of God who loved Paul - and gave His life for Paul. Paul 'got it' Paul lived his life as one who was totally sold out to Christ. Unlike the men you mentioned in your posts who could not control the flesh and kept drinking alcohol or the man who committed adultery. Paul was taught by grace how to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts.,Paul learned how to live soberly, righteously and godly in his present world at that time he was here on earth. He surely understood grace in the life.
Paul learned as any learning believer does who has the HolySpirit that Jesus will live His life through us when we believe the truth of who we are IN Christ. We have this treasure in earthen vessels.
We have been given salvation., now we walk it out.
Paul knew he had been given self control, he knew he did not have a spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind. Just like we do. But Paul walked it out. And that is what we are learning to do.
Again., so much can get lost in these posts we try to clearly put our ideas down yet still they can be mis-read or mis-judged.
Romans tells us about the battle of the young Christian or the Christian who has not read the Bible a lot.
Paul told how there is a battle for the mind. He wants to do the right but ended up doing or thinking the wrong. But that is a comfort for Christians all over who see the duel fight. The answer... JESUS.
Thank God HE not Paul.
A Christian like Paul is able to discern how to walk in the fullness of salvation. No condemnation but full salvation.
Paul learned as any learning believer does who has the HolySpirit that Jesus will live His life through us when we believe the truth of who we are IN Christ. We have this treasure in earthen vessels.
We have been given salvation., now we walk it out.
Paul knew he had been given self control, he knew he did not have a spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind. Just like we do. But Paul walked it out. And that is what we are learning to do.
Again., so much can get lost in these posts we try to clearly put our ideas down yet still they can be mis-read or mis-judged.
Romans tells us about the battle of the young Christian or the Christian who has not read the Bible a lot.
Paul told how there is a battle for the mind. He wants to do the right but ended up doing or thinking the wrong. But that is a comfort for Christians all over who see the duel fight. The answer... JESUS.
Thank God HE not Paul.
A Christian like Paul is able to discern how to walk in the fullness of salvation. No condemnation but full salvation.
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This here is the other issue that grace only, or osasers do that I have seen.
They focus to much in understanding on the quantity of things done, and not the quality of life one lives.
Quantity plays no role, but quality does.
A true believer in Christ walk will be evident of the faith.
A person can not claim to be in Christ and be hateful, unforgiving, and unloving toward others at the same time.
They focus to much in understanding on the quantity of things done, and not the quality of life one lives.
Quantity plays no role, but quality does.
A true believer in Christ walk will be evident of the faith.
A person can not claim to be in Christ and be hateful, unforgiving, and unloving toward others at the same time.
So, in reality..God does lie to us when He says..I will never leave you nor forsake you?.....how much sin is too much?..of course He doesn't..it's foolish..
If went out tonight and had sex with a homosexual ..then lied about it..then got drunk..if I died tonight..would I go to hell?
(BTW..I am not doing that..lol..just in case ya'll read stuff into it..)
If went out tonight and had sex with a homosexual ..then lied about it..then got drunk..if I died tonight..would I go to hell?
(BTW..I am not doing that..lol..just in case ya'll read stuff into it..)
Enmity does not mean not reconciled..This is a classic example of taking "words' or parts of scripture and then telling them what they mean according to what we think which is based on our religious beliefs ( which could be not not be biblical in truth )
[FONT="Galatia Sil" !important][SIZE=6]ἔχθρα[/SIZE][/FONT]. [/B] [INDENT] [B]"Hatred," "hostility[/B]," as an inner disposition, as objective opposition and as actual conflict between nations, groups and individuals.
[/INDENT]
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament - Theological Dictionary of the New Testament – Volume II.
So, you made up a doctrine saying "enmity means not reconciled and in order to receive eternal life we have to be reconciled to God. ".....your premise was wrong with the understanding of the word enmity to begin with....then of course with that..it completely leads to an unbiblical conclusion of that scripture.
It's the nature of the beast..just sayin'
[QUOTE="KennethC, post: 2396627"]Paul said and shown the no condemnation is to those who walk by the Spirit.
He said those who walk by the flesh do not please God and are enmity to Him.
Enmity means not reconciled, and in order to receive eternal life we have to be reconciled to God.[/QUOTE]
[FONT="Galatia Sil" !important][SIZE=6]ἔχθρα[/SIZE][/FONT]. [/B] [INDENT] [B]"Hatred," "hostility[/B]," as an inner disposition, as objective opposition and as actual conflict between nations, groups and individuals.
[/INDENT]
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament - Theological Dictionary of the New Testament – Volume II.
So, you made up a doctrine saying "enmity means not reconciled and in order to receive eternal life we have to be reconciled to God. ".....your premise was wrong with the understanding of the word enmity to begin with....then of course with that..it completely leads to an unbiblical conclusion of that scripture.
It's the nature of the beast..just sayin'
[QUOTE="KennethC, post: 2396627"]Paul said and shown the no condemnation is to those who walk by the Spirit.
He said those who walk by the flesh do not please God and are enmity to Him.
Enmity means not reconciled, and in order to receive eternal life we have to be reconciled to God.[/QUOTE]