Speaking in Tongues

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I've never spoken in "tongues" as is commonly referenced. I've known some who have. It does come with some qualifiers as to whether its authentic or now, which I think many people ignore. Is it for today? Probably. Is it a gift that should be specifically desired above others? No.
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I would say it is the most commonly used of the gifts. I would also say it aids the christian I their private prayer life. Paul said in private he prayed in tongues more than anyone in the Corinthian church.
However, the main problem i see I this. In some churches that believe in the gifts of the spirit fir today some who do not speak in tongues feel they are not truly part of the church. They feel( rightly or wrongly) they are viewed by others as lacking spirituality.
That is an awful thing for people to feel
 
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Jesus was in line to the cross. His focus was salvation. The Holy Spirit's gifting was for another time, and for those who have found salvation. His job is to equip the saints, and tongues is a part of His equipping.
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the prophecies about Jesus focus on His teachings and the teacher made no teachings on tongues.

Everything Paul teaches us is Jesus teaching us.
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is paul Jesus? is paul part of the trinity?

if these tongues you speak of really were in the teachings of Jesus, then you should have no problem finding them in the teachings of the Father or the Son, but you cant, its just not there.
 
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Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit in Detail found in Johns gospel chapter 14, and 16. The Gift of the holy Spirit are spoken in many location in the new testament 1 cor 12, 13, 14 And the Book of Acts. Paul did not add to or take away anything Jesus had said. Also Jesus had not yet suffered the cross when HE made these statements about the " Comforter" Holy the Holy Spirit operated in the Book of Acts is in Line with what Jesus said the Spirit would do. Jesus told them to go and wait until they received power. When the Power came it was manifested as we see in Acts and repeated throughout the Book of Acts many times. 1Cor 12, 13, 14 Jesus did not speak about in Detail because the Church had not yet been born which was on the day of Pentecost and their is no debating that all Orthodox Teaching of Christianity teach that and more importantly the Word of God shows that. Context is very important I think
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i agree, i dont believe paul added anything to the teachings of Jesus (teachings with no lessons on tongues). but i believe very strongly that mankind adds to these teachings everyday. something Jesus warned us about.
 
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Tongues are still used today and the bible does give clear instructions on how they are used.

Babbling out loud funny noises from the mouth is not one of them !!!

1) Is the language of angels only to be used in prayer to God....For self edification.

2) Actual human languages.

I read a article just about a year ago were a English speaking man shared the Word of God with a man who only spoke Chinese. Yet the Chinese man still understood what was shared with him.

The most misused passage to say they have ceased is 1Corinthians 13:8-10.

The whole chapter is about LOVE, yet they want to insert the completed bible in verse 10.
 
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the prophecies about Jesus focus on His teachings and the teacher made no teachings on tongues.



is paul Jesus? is paul part of the trinity?

if these tongues you speak of really were in the teachings of Jesus, then you should have no problem finding them in the teachings of the Father or the Son, but you cant, its just not there.
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How wrong that is! Jesus' teaching on tongues is that it is a mark of a believer! Mark 16.

Whatever Paul or any epistle-writer says is directly from Jesus Christ. If you cannot receive that truth, then you will have great trouble witg the scriptures and their authority for the believer.
 
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i agree, i dont believe paul added anything to the teachings of Jesus (teachings with no lessons on tongues). but i believe very strongly that mankind adds to these teachings everyday. something Jesus warned us about.
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Not really. The harm done is by those who reject tongues...and loudly.
 
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Yes..but in real life no one listens to what is said because they know the difference because they pray in tongues every day.

But I see your point in that it might distract true seekers to think it isn't for today. But God always has a way to surprise us!..lol

I am actually shocked that people actually still think that tongues have ceased...how can that be???

Makes me think of Jesus talking to Nicodemus and saying.."Are you a master of Israel and you don't know these things?"

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Not really. The harm done is by those who reject tongues...and loudly.
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How wrong that is! Jesus' teaching on tongues is that it is a mark of a believer! Mark 16.
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there are no teachings of tongues in mark 16. they are mentioned but there is no lesson about them.

Whatever Paul or any epistle-writer says is directly from Jesus Christ. If you cannot receive that truth, then you will have great trouble witg the scriptures and their authority for the believer.[/QUOTE]
i agree that pauls knowledge comes from Jesus. but it can be easily misunderstood. if something from his writings can not be attested by the Father or the Son then you are possibly misinterpreting it.

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Not really. The harm done is by those who reject tongues...and loudly.
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i only reject teachings of man that can not be confirmed by the Father or the Son. i do not reject tongues at all but i do not seek it or put any focus on it because Jesus did not teach on them.
 
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there are no teachings of tongues in mark 16. they are mentioned but there is no lesson about them.

Whatever Paul or any epistle-writer says is directly from Jesus Christ. If you cannot receive that truth, then you will have great trouble witg the scriptures and their authority for the believer.
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i agree that pauls knowledge comes from Jesus. but it can be easily misunderstood. if something from his writings can not be attested by the Father or the Son then you are possibly misinterpreting it.


i only reject teachings of man that can not be confirmed by the Father or the Son. i do not reject tongues at all but i do not seek it or put any focus on it because Jesus did not teach on them.[/QUOTE]

Jesus didn't teach sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace, but that wouldn't stop me from focusing on that! Do you reject that teaching because it isn't confirmed by the father or son?
 
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there are no teachings of tongues in mark 16. they are mentioned but there is no lesson about them.

Whatever Paul or any epistle-writer says is directly from Jesus Christ. If you cannot receive that truth, then you will have great trouble witg the scriptures and their authority for the believer.
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i agree that pauls knowledge comes from Jesus. but it can be easily misunderstood. if something from his writings can not be attested by the Father or the Son then you are possibly misinterpreting it.


i only reject teachings of man that can not be confirmed by the Father or the Son. i do not reject tongues at all but i do not seek it or put any focus on it because Jesus did not teach on them.[/QUOTE][/quote]

That Jesus plainly taught us that one of the marks of a believer is that he will speak in tongues is good enough for me. Everything Paul teaches is from God. If you find it easy to misunderstand, then seek from Holy Spirit what the truth is. It is only the flesh that misinterprets.
 
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The above post has an error in quote tags....fyi.I wasn't able to fix it in time.
 
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Yes, its still for today. Case in point, even this girl is speaking in a tongue. :D



On a serious note, yes tongues are for today and its an excellent way to fellowship with the Holy Spirit (when you have an interpreter present). There are many things that a person can learn about tongues, and its actually really fascinating the many different things that are accomplished through it by the Lord.
 
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That Jesus plainly taught us that one of the marks of a believer is that he will speak in tongues is good enough for me. Everything Paul teaches is from God. If you find it easy to misunderstand, then seek from Holy Spirit what the truth is. It is only the flesh that misinterprets.
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new languages in a foreign land would be a miracle i agree. but i dont see the tongues as a unique heavenly language between a man and our Lord.
i speak english and everyone around me speaks english, how would tongues make me a better servant to our Lord?

the overwhelming majority of tongues that i have seen consist of people jumping in the air, flopping on the floor and jabbering random noises. most seem to be trying to draw attention to themselves and in my opinion our relationship with the Lord should be between me and him and not a spectacle for everyone to see. makes me think of what Jesus said about the hypocrites praying in open public, not devoted to the Lord but trying to be seen by everyone. i also dont believe its proper way to conduct your self in an assembly to serve our Lord.
i am not saying you do any of these things. there may very well be truth in it, but most that i see these days involved in it dont do it for the Lords glory, they do it for themselves. hope that makes sense
 
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Way to obfuscate. Nobody said anything about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The passage in Acts 2 speaks of a filling not a baptism anyhow.

The passage I presented clearly states that tongues would end, cease or fail.

You have no intention of listening to the word of God so proceed at your own risk.

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Rog, you have it right that these things will cease. You just don't understand when.
 
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Tongues are spoken of as passing away with knowledge and prophecies. How many on this website believe knowledge has passed away?
 
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the context of this is a new language being as they were about to go out in new places that didnt speak their language.

yet many believe tongues means a unique heavenly language that is spoken between the speaker and the Lord that no one else can understand. im sure its possible, but what makes no sense at all, in all the teachings of Jesus, the great teacher, he does not mention this tongue language one time.
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It's not an either or situation. It is both. Paul makes a distinction between the two... in public they are to be interpreted for the understanding of those assembled (and that includes self interpretation ie hearing your own language from someone who doesn't know it), and in private they are for edification between you and God.

It's not either/or!
 
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new languages in a foreign land would be a miracle i agree. but i dont see the tongues as a unique heavenly language between a man and our Lord.
i speak english and everyone around me speaks english, how would tongues make me a better servant to our Lord?

the overwhelming majority of tongues that i have seen consist of people jumping in the air, flopping on the floor and jabbering random noises. most seem to be trying to draw attention to themselves and in my opinion our rela
tionship with the Lord should be between me and him and not a spectacle for everyone to see. makes me think of what Jesus said about the hypocrites praying in open public, not devoted to the Lord but trying to be seen by everyone. i also dont believe its proper way to conduct your self in an assembly to serve our Lord.
i am not saying you do any of these things. there may very well be truth in it, but most that i see these days involved in it dont do it for the Lords glory, they do it for themselves. hope that makes sense
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Tongues is not an ability we have that is for show, nor does it make us better servants of the Lord. It is an ability Holy Spirit gives us for Him to communicate through us to God's heart about anything and everything that concerns us. That you reject it doesn't affect me, but it only means that you miss a greater dimension in your prayer life. Not only that, the biggest drawback is that you do not share in the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is available to all believers. God desires it so that we will be filled to overflowing with His anointing and power to fulfill the callings on our lives with ease and with success. Biblically, every believer in the New Testament experienced it. In fact, we are taught in scripture to continue being filled always by the Holy Spirit. It is not the same thing as the measure we are given of the Holy Spirit at salvation. There is more.
 
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I would say it is the most commonly used of the gifts. I would also say it aids the christian I their private prayer life. Paul said in private he prayed in tongues more than anyone in the Corinthian church.
However, the main problem i see I this. In some churches that believe in the gifts of the spirit fir today some who do not speak in tongues feel they are not truly part of the church. They feel( rightly or wrongly) they are viewed by others as lacking spirituality.
That is an awful thing for people to feel
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Thank you!

This is important - tongues are available to everyone, but those who do not speak in them should never be made to feel like they are "less". Missing out, maybe, but less never. It is an adjunct to, not the progenitor of, one's faith.
 
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the prophecies about Jesus focus on His teachings and the teacher made no teachings on tongues.



is paul Jesus? is paul part of the trinity?

if these tongues you speak of really were in the teachings of Jesus, then you should have no problem finding them in the teachings of the Father or the Son, but you cant, its just not there.
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John 14:12 - Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Those were Jesus' words, telling us there was more to come than that which He spoke of and did.

And Jesus did speak of tongues... did you not read the beginning of this thread?

I find it amazingly appalling that you would dismiss Paul so easily. I assume then that you've ripped all of his letters out of your Bible, since they evidently mean nothing to you.

Paul is not part of the trinity... but he is part of the Ministry, thru which the trinity spoke.
 
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Babbling out loud funny noises from the mouth is not one of them !!!
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And therein lay the problem... satan has so falsified it with muddied waters that many are tossing the baby with the bathwater. Here's a hint: satan doesn't bother to mimic things that are not truths of God.
 
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