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I went to visit my grandkids, and have spent the last hour trying to get through this thread.
First, we do NOT want your misfits, rebels and rabble rousers here in Canada. We only accept true refugees, and besides which, they have to be Muslim, so no one here qualifies. (Just ask Justin!)
Second, I really like GIS's defense of the monarchy, esp. from a Biblical perspective. Of course, I may be somewhat prejudiced, since I was raised singing "God save the Queen" and I hated it when Trudeau repatriated the constitution so the Queen was only a figure head. (Trudeau the father, Pierre Elliot, not the Trudeau the son, Justin!)
Of course, it is much easier to be a monarchist, when the Queen lives across the Atlantic Ocean. And by the way, Canada was in WWII in 1939, well before the Americans. Well, we didn't have a say in those days, since we were a colony of the British Empire. OK, not quite, but close enough for our purposes.
I am recently converted to hard core conservative, after Justin, bless his little bar bouncer, ski board instructor heart, used BO trick of "Time for a Change," as his slogan, and deceived the incredibly stupid younger generation to vote for him, despite being singularly unqualified to be the Prime Minister. Being the son of a Prime Minister, as you well know from George W Jr is simply not a reason to vote for someone.
My semi-socialism which I cling to, is our national health care system. Where everyone receives treatment at no cost, at any hospital or doctor in any province you choose. I am a BIG drain on health care, and I am just so grateful to live under this system, and get cheap access to my very expensive drugs, and have about 5 doctors on speed dial. And yes, I realize it may not work in the US, as your country is not only bigger, but the doctors and HMO's are much greedier than ours!
I am looking to seeing a few more posts defending various viewpoints. However, I will say that Sydlit is really skirting the edge of civility, and not contributing at all to the conservative side of the debate. I do remember something of this kind of slogan being a popular, but basically useless rebuttal to the left during the Vietnam War - America, Love it or Leave it.
No wonder I became a totally left wing socialist for so many years with rhetoric that sucked like that!
And I would give it all away to have a slightly dishonest, Christian prime minister like Stephen Harper back in government!
(Respect your elders, and remember that I know more about America, than any of you could possibly know about Canada, by way of having lived there for 2 years, having 9 cousins, 2 aunts and 2 uncles who were American, to say nothing of being bombarded with American media my whole life, but especially now, on social media. I actually unfollowed a good portion of my extreme right and left wing American friends I got so sick of the attacks - much worse than CC, for sure!)
First, we do NOT want your misfits, rebels and rabble rousers here in Canada. We only accept true refugees, and besides which, they have to be Muslim, so no one here qualifies. (Just ask Justin!)
Second, I really like GIS's defense of the monarchy, esp. from a Biblical perspective. Of course, I may be somewhat prejudiced, since I was raised singing "God save the Queen" and I hated it when Trudeau repatriated the constitution so the Queen was only a figure head. (Trudeau the father, Pierre Elliot, not the Trudeau the son, Justin!)
Of course, it is much easier to be a monarchist, when the Queen lives across the Atlantic Ocean. And by the way, Canada was in WWII in 1939, well before the Americans. Well, we didn't have a say in those days, since we were a colony of the British Empire. OK, not quite, but close enough for our purposes.
I am recently converted to hard core conservative, after Justin, bless his little bar bouncer, ski board instructor heart, used BO trick of "Time for a Change," as his slogan, and deceived the incredibly stupid younger generation to vote for him, despite being singularly unqualified to be the Prime Minister. Being the son of a Prime Minister, as you well know from George W Jr is simply not a reason to vote for someone.
My semi-socialism which I cling to, is our national health care system. Where everyone receives treatment at no cost, at any hospital or doctor in any province you choose. I am a BIG drain on health care, and I am just so grateful to live under this system, and get cheap access to my very expensive drugs, and have about 5 doctors on speed dial. And yes, I realize it may not work in the US, as your country is not only bigger, but the doctors and HMO's are much greedier than ours!
I am looking to seeing a few more posts defending various viewpoints. However, I will say that Sydlit is really skirting the edge of civility, and not contributing at all to the conservative side of the debate. I do remember something of this kind of slogan being a popular, but basically useless rebuttal to the left during the Vietnam War - America, Love it or Leave it.
No wonder I became a totally left wing socialist for so many years with rhetoric that sucked like that!
And I would give it all away to have a slightly dishonest, Christian prime minister like Stephen Harper back in government!
(Respect your elders, and remember that I know more about America, than any of you could possibly know about Canada, by way of having lived there for 2 years, having 9 cousins, 2 aunts and 2 uncles who were American, to say nothing of being bombarded with American media my whole life, but especially now, on social media. I actually unfollowed a good portion of my extreme right and left wing American friends I got so sick of the attacks - much worse than CC, for sure!)
Dang! This thread exploded in my absence haha. I'll try to respond to as many posts as time permits. Thanks for taking so much of the weight GIS lol
Here's the thing, many of the people who are complaining about America like BL, GIS, and I, aren't doing it for their own self interests. America hurts SO MANY innocent people that never reach real media attention it's phenomenal. The oppressed need voices and unfortunately, only the privileged voices are heard in this world. If there were no white people supporting black equality in the 60s, it would have never happened. No matter how hard African Americans protested.
This mentality is yet another disease of, not only conservatives (mostly though), but Statists in general. "As long as my family and I are ok, I don't care". Again. Conservatives couldn't care less when innocent people are killed as collateral damage for their "freedom" which is still taken away everyday. Again I say, for a group of people that beg and plead to keep their guns, they sure don't believe in using them for anything.
I would actually imagine that you would agree with about half of my views as most Anarcho-capitalists seem to be former conservatives who decided to take freedom one step further.
Keep in mind that there are a ton of new mechanical theories for Anarchist societies everyday and my description might not be the best one out there. My description doesn't answer specifics like voluntary court systems or environmental regulations for companies (although there are some good ideas on the subject) but here we go.
My ideal Anarchist world be like that of the current culture of Alaska. No government (duh). No police forces (just like most of Alaska). Everyone would be able to purchase firearms. Everyone would be able to freely possess drugs. and everyone would leave each other alone. funding for things like road construction/maintenance would be built upon a crowdfunding system (and not an extortion system like we currently have). Communal society (much like the small towns/villages in Alaska today and the Native American villages of yesterday) would be brought back because people would be forced to work together to survive or at least keep things convenient.
Keep in mind that none of this would be achievable without psychologically programming future generations to accept the mentalities required for this to work, just like we programmed generations to accept the Democratic/Marxist/Communist societies of today. If you throw in a generation that has been exposed to Statism as the norm, there will just be battles for power until governments are formed.
Also, for whatever future arguments you have against Anarchism, keep in mind that most Anarchists believe that a free society doesn't mean the same thing as a civilized one.
Here's the thing, many of the people who are complaining about America like BL, GIS, and I, aren't doing it for their own self interests. America hurts SO MANY innocent people that never reach real media attention it's phenomenal. The oppressed need voices and unfortunately, only the privileged voices are heard in this world. If there were no white people supporting black equality in the 60s, it would have never happened. No matter how hard African Americans protested.
This mentality is yet another disease of, not only conservatives (mostly though), but Statists in general. "As long as my family and I are ok, I don't care". Again. Conservatives couldn't care less when innocent people are killed as collateral damage for their "freedom" which is still taken away everyday. Again I say, for a group of people that beg and plead to keep their guns, they sure don't believe in using them for anything.
I would actually imagine that you would agree with about half of my views as most Anarcho-capitalists seem to be former conservatives who decided to take freedom one step further.
Keep in mind that there are a ton of new mechanical theories for Anarchist societies everyday and my description might not be the best one out there. My description doesn't answer specifics like voluntary court systems or environmental regulations for companies (although there are some good ideas on the subject) but here we go.
My ideal Anarchist world be like that of the current culture of Alaska. No government (duh). No police forces (just like most of Alaska). Everyone would be able to purchase firearms. Everyone would be able to freely possess drugs. and everyone would leave each other alone. funding for things like road construction/maintenance would be built upon a crowdfunding system (and not an extortion system like we currently have). Communal society (much like the small towns/villages in Alaska today and the Native American villages of yesterday) would be brought back because people would be forced to work together to survive or at least keep things convenient.
Keep in mind that none of this would be achievable without psychologically programming future generations to accept the mentalities required for this to work, just like we programmed generations to accept the Democratic/Marxist/Communist societies of today. If you throw in a generation that has been exposed to Statism as the norm, there will just be battles for power until governments are formed.
Also, for whatever future arguments you have against Anarchism, keep in mind that most Anarchists believe that a free society doesn't mean the same thing as a civilized one.
This guy make me wonder if more gun-control is not needed? 
Well the theory behind it is that
1. People who are going to do crack are going to do it whether it's legal or not and probably wont care much about gun laws anyway.
2. If crackheads were to shoot someone (which they already do), everyone around would be armed as well and could dispatch the perpetrator immediately. This is why mass shootings would become impossible. I would just about guarantee that there would be less deaths caused by guns if all Americans were armed right now. Yeah, crazies would get a hold of guns, but they already get a hold of them and they would only have them for a little while until things naturally played out.
Also, I'll respond to your big post sometime tonight probably.
1. People who are going to do crack are going to do it whether it's legal or not and probably wont care much about gun laws anyway.
2. If crackheads were to shoot someone (which they already do), everyone around would be armed as well and could dispatch the perpetrator immediately. This is why mass shootings would become impossible. I would just about guarantee that there would be less deaths caused by guns if all Americans were armed right now. Yeah, crazies would get a hold of guns, but they already get a hold of them and they would only have them for a little while until things naturally played out.
Also, I'll respond to your big post sometime tonight probably.
How Anarchists debate:
Bushido8000: Conservative Statism is crap because *lists logical reasons to debate* and Anarcho-capitalism is better because *lists logical reasons to debate*.
How Conservatives debate:
Conservative 1: Yeah...well....*can't think of a logical argument against anything presented so he/she inserts personal attack here*.
Conservative 2: LOL! You tell him! dumb liberal!
Conservative 3: Wow! Owned! You can't even compare to Conservative 1's logic, Bushido! Just get out of mah country!
Bushido8000: Conservative Statism is crap because *lists logical reasons to debate* and Anarcho-capitalism is better because *lists logical reasons to debate*.
How Conservatives debate:
Conservative 1: Yeah...well....*can't think of a logical argument against anything presented so he/she inserts personal attack here*.
Conservative 2: LOL! You tell him! dumb liberal!
Conservative 3: Wow! Owned! You can't even compare to Conservative 1's logic, Bushido! Just get out of mah country!
1. I get that, very common argument. It is pretty much the hardest argument for both drug legalization and gun proliferation. Basically it amounts to "they'll do it anyways, why should we even try?" I would say we have to at least make the attempt to control drugs and guns if anything for the sake of the people that get caught in the crossfire.
2. Lol I have heard this argument before many times, but it kinda falls apart in the context of anarchism. Basically once you have vigilantism you no longer have anarchy. This is what happens a lot too when a government collapses and an anarchist period happens. It doesn't take long for factions to begin formulating to dispense their version of justice and culture. Then not long after rival factions form as well. A good modern example would be Libya. Libya had an absolutist ruler, but Gaddafhi was an evil king. People overthrew the evil king. They tried to have a democracy, but it failed. So there was relative anarchy and then several factions begin to form and compete against each other. Not only that, but you have foreign intervention too.
A more American example would be the Wild West period before federal government intervention. Wild West period is admittedly a more controlled form of anarchy. However same basic problems. You have a lack of governance, mob justice, and criminal factions form. The factions begin to jostle with each other for power and resources. You even have a little bit of foreign encroachment via Mexico.
Also was browsing around youtube a bit and found this short clip on Mercantilism. I think the guy does a pretty good job showing the pros and cons of Mercantilism. Even economics aside is a pretty good basic overview of absolutist ideology. At least how absolutist and mercantilist ideology worked in the past. Granted some of the ideas have to be updated because not everything has remained the same since the fathers fell asleep. Shows basic absolutist concepts like seeing the nation or the State as a team, rivalry with other nations, the competition for resources and power as being a zero-sum game, and the overall goal being to maximize and protect the domestic economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOdf_o7yu8
[video=youtube;ZlOdf_o7yu8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOdf_o7yu8[/video]
2. Lol I have heard this argument before many times, but it kinda falls apart in the context of anarchism. Basically once you have vigilantism you no longer have anarchy. This is what happens a lot too when a government collapses and an anarchist period happens. It doesn't take long for factions to begin formulating to dispense their version of justice and culture. Then not long after rival factions form as well. A good modern example would be Libya. Libya had an absolutist ruler, but Gaddafhi was an evil king. People overthrew the evil king. They tried to have a democracy, but it failed. So there was relative anarchy and then several factions begin to form and compete against each other. Not only that, but you have foreign intervention too.
A more American example would be the Wild West period before federal government intervention. Wild West period is admittedly a more controlled form of anarchy. However same basic problems. You have a lack of governance, mob justice, and criminal factions form. The factions begin to jostle with each other for power and resources. You even have a little bit of foreign encroachment via Mexico.
Also was browsing around youtube a bit and found this short clip on Mercantilism. I think the guy does a pretty good job showing the pros and cons of Mercantilism. Even economics aside is a pretty good basic overview of absolutist ideology. At least how absolutist and mercantilist ideology worked in the past. Granted some of the ideas have to be updated because not everything has remained the same since the fathers fell asleep. Shows basic absolutist concepts like seeing the nation or the State as a team, rivalry with other nations, the competition for resources and power as being a zero-sum game, and the overall goal being to maximize and protect the domestic economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOdf_o7yu8
[video=youtube;ZlOdf_o7yu8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOdf_o7yu8[/video]
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◆Originally Posted by Utah :
For liberals to run the world effectively,
they need to use common sense.◆
◆Oncefallen replied : Oxymoron...◆
◆And now for something completely different :
Liberals DO run the world...
(Just not EFFECTIVELY!)
In order for liberals to
run the world effectively...
They need to
quit being liberals.
For liberals to run the world effectively,
they need to use common sense.◆
◆Oncefallen replied : Oxymoron...◆
◆And now for something completely different :
Liberals DO run the world...
(Just not EFFECTIVELY!)
In order for liberals to
run the world effectively...
They need to
quit being liberals.
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