The bible says God was angry with ALL flesh because they had corrupted God's way on earth.
Young Earth creationism
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eternally-gratefull
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Yeah, keep deflecting, I never said they were quacks, I said they interpreted based on what they had to go off of, using the tools available to them, And many of them have been shown to be in error. as more data is available.
Your assumtions of things based on todays knowledge and science is quite sad, because they,, too could be proven wrong.
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eternally-gratefull
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Did you know it was the secular scientists of Darwin's day that initially resisted his evolutionary theory? They didn't see it as anything more than fairytales for adults. Sadly, the Church lapped up Darwin's theory like the sheep they are. And we see how that's turned out for Europe.
and sadly, instead of sticking to their guns, they came up with things like gap theories and other things to try to make the bible match the science, instead of trying to make sciene match the bible.. (I bought hook line and sinker into the gap theory and for many years fell for its trap. Until I finally started studying and seein gthings which did not make any sense.
ie, the bible means nothing to them.
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eternally-gratefull
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Denominationalism caused me to believe in a gap theory.. so whats your point?
yeah lets start here, Why did paul have to call out peter face to face because peter offended the gentiles by not eating meat, like pork and stuff??
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eternally-gratefull
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eternally-gratefull
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Now here is denominationalism, you could say scofieldism. That is not proven, biblically or otherwise.
yep more denominational thinking.
Yet you yell at us for following denominations?
(PS) the denomination I gre up taought the very thing you are bringing forth. I bought into it all hook line and sinker, and called anyone who tought otherwise a heretic who did not understand things..
Doesn't matter if you think scientists are behind some conspiracy with digging up the fossil remains showing an ancient earth. They have nothing to do with the creation of those fossil remains!
But I wonder, just who did create all those ancient fossil remains???
If God was their Creator, then shouldn't you consider why He left them for us to discover?
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eternally-gratefull
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Yet those so called ancient remains are perfectly well described scientifically by a global flood only 4000 years ago.
But you all do not want to believe in a global flood. so you can not explain your science (or this is why you reject a global flood, because you realise it may contradict your science)
They will acknowledge these things in time, but most likely not until after our Lord Jesus' return. Until then, they are subject to the political battles of men with closed minds. I mean, many brethren still think the idea of God's River of the waters of life of Ezek.47 and Rev.22 is just a spiritual concept, and not even a literal one. If they can't accept what God has shown us will manifest in the future on earth, then why would they believe anything He showed about that time of old when Satan first rebelled against Him?
What you're actually referring to with Adam and Eve is perfection in the flesh, which is impossible, since we know how the weakness of the flesh was a major theme in causing the fall...
Gen 3:66 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
KJV
1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
KJV
This is why Apostle Paul said in 1 Cor.15 that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Thus the time of Adam and Eve before the Fall still was not a sign of God's Perfect creation. Even before Adam and Eve sinned, the devil had already sinned against God from the beginning (1 John 3:8).
By the time of Adam and Eve in God's Garden, He had already ordained His Son to come in the flesh and die on the cross to defeat death for us, as He was ordained to come before the foundation of this world like Apostles Paul and Peter taught...
1 Peter 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you
KJV
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eternally-gratefull
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So tell me, Satan is spirit, not flesh and blood
so, Why did Satan fall. Was it free will, or Gods flawed creation?
so, Why did Satan fall. Was it free will, or Gods flawed creation?
Well, there's true science, and then there's pseudo-science (what some try to pass off as true science). The Young Earth movement is just as much a political movement as the evolution movement is. Neither one is based on true science.
With Young Earth creationists I don't think many here fully understand what all they propose. They propose that dinosaurs are still living among us today!
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ATH1
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No The Adamah in the garden was Gods race that jesus was to come through and satan had his angels procreating with the daughters of eth ha adamah or the adam in the garden to try prevent Jesus from being born through a pure priestly and kingly generation (lineage)
God was only happy with what 2 churches taught. Do you know what these 2 church's taught? Don't you think the churches that DON'T teach these 2 things should close their doors before next Sunday?
I bet if you ask your church what these 2 things God was happy about, they won't even know.
Think about this...what better place for satan to be than standing behind a pulpit in a church?? people sucking in everything that is said without question because he is a pastor-priest ect>. People are not going to have their preacher or their lawyer standing beside them at judgement.
We better study for ourselves.
Some folks here would be surprised at how many pastors know about the time of Satan's overthrow of old with a previous world, but won't teach it in the Church because of the confusion it obviously would create in the minds of those who don't study for themselves, but just keep to traditions of men.
Here's some other ways the KJV translators translated Hebrew tohuw ("without form") in God's Word:
Isa 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
KJV
Yes, that "in vain" there is the same Hebrew word for "without form" in Genesis 1:2 about the earth. God said there He did NOT create the earth towhuw ("without form").
Deut 32:10
10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; He led him about, He instructed him, He kept him as the apple of His eye.
KJV
1 Sam 12:21
21 And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor deliver; for they are vain.
KJV
Job 6:18
18 The paths of their way are turned aside; they go to nothing, and perish.
KJV
Job 12:24
24 He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way.
KJV
Isa 24:10
10 The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in.
KJV
Isa 29:21
21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
KJV
Isa 34:11
11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.
KJV
Isa 40:17
17 All nations before Him are as nothing; and they are counted to Him less than nothing, and vanity.
KJV
Isa 41:29
29 Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.
KJV
Isa 44:9
9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
KJV
Isa 59:4
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
KJV
Then there is this, God speaking to Israel, saying they were "sottish" (stupid) with "none understanding":
Jer 4:23-28
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo,it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
KJV
There that "without form, and void" phrase is again, but this time... an obvious destruction upon the earth is associated with that Hebrew tohuw va bohuw phrase.
When did God shake the earth, with the mountains trembling and all the hills moving lightly, with no man left on the earth, and all the cities on earth broken down at His fierce anger??? He did not do that shaking at the time of Noah's flood, so when did God do that first shaking of the earth?
That isn't speaking of an earthquake in one location on earth either, for all the cities were broken down! When did He first do that?
And why would the earth then mourn because of it, and the heavens (sky) above be black (i.e., storm clouds)?
Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV
"Yet once more"????
Well when was the FIRST shaking of this earth on that LEVEL?
Don't try to tell me that is about some earthquake of history in one location on the earth. Hebrews is comparing the future shaking of this earth by God in final with His Kingdom to come manifesting and destroying man's work off the earth, with that same level of shaking that happened once before. But when was that once before?
Our Heavenly Father has shown us these things, but many are completely oblivious to them, revealing that same condition Israel was in there at Jeremiah 4.
Which would you call a show of true love towards you, one who used their own will and desire to love you, or one that you forced to love you? Which sign of love towards you would you treat as authentic?
Our Heavenly Father and His Son is no different. He won't force... us to love Him. He didn't make us that way. We each must choose, and that is what this present world is for with most, to decide.
The fact that Satan and one third of the angels were able to rebel against God reveals this too.
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ATH1
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Because God did not want Christians to be so "law" minded in religion like the heathen were. I can't quote this but didn't God say if you are eating do not offend your host by refusing to eat food like pork ect>. it may kill you (lol) but its not a salvation sin.
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eternally-gratefull
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1. I no longer believe in the gap theory, I started studying and came out from under that denominational teaching.
2. I think God gave all meat for food. some is better for us than others. He used meat as a teaching tool in Israel. but those rules are not for us.
And no one will be judged for eating the wrong stuff. It is not a sin.
Where did you read that I said I rejected the flood of Noah's day? You never read anything I've written saying that.
I believe the flood of Noah's day was definitely global. There's links in every ancient culture that mentioned it.
The difference with the flood of Noah's day is, God did NOT shake the earth like the Hebrews 12 and Jer.4 comparisons show. Instead in Noah's day, God brought rains and waters from the depths upon the earth to destroy His flesh part of creation off an existing earth. That's why only Noah and his family, and the animals aboard the ark were preserved. That was not a replenishing like the Gen.1:2 forward events.
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ATH1
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dp.stated.....Well when was the FIRST shaking of this earth on that LEVEL?
Don't try to tell me that is about some earthquake of history in one location on the earth. Hebrews is comparing the future shaking of this earth by God in final with His Kingdom to come manifesting and destroying man's work off the earth, with that same level of shaking that happened once before. But when was that once before?
Our Heavenly Father has shown us these things, but many are completely oblivious to them, revealing that same condition Israel was in there at Jeremiah 4.
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Allan responds
Amen brother. Not many Christians will know about the shaking that has and will take place again.
satan turned bad in that ist shaking and satan still has a contract for this earth until the 49th jubilee is up. I believe that will be when Christ comes back to earth to claim that contract again.
Don't try to tell me that is about some earthquake of history in one location on the earth. Hebrews is comparing the future shaking of this earth by God in final with His Kingdom to come manifesting and destroying man's work off the earth, with that same level of shaking that happened once before. But when was that once before?
Our Heavenly Father has shown us these things, but many are completely oblivious to them, revealing that same condition Israel was in there at Jeremiah 4.
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Allan responds
Amen brother. Not many Christians will know about the shaking that has and will take place again.
satan turned bad in that ist shaking and satan still has a contract for this earth until the 49th jubilee is up. I believe that will be when Christ comes back to earth to claim that contract again.