Hyper grace

Grace777x70 · Dec 17, 2015

....and what grieves the Holy Spirit is not giving words of grace..that is what grieves the Holy Spirit...Ephesians 4:29-30 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

The only time was recorded as being angry was when the Pharisees failed to let grace be done when Jesus when to heal a man..

Mark 3:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

The first eureka moment was saying Paul the Pharisee wouldn't admit to lust, therefore he is speaking as a christian in rom 7:7-11

The second is to say he didn't know what sin was because he broke the sixth commandment

Well you could say phinhues was guilty of the same in the wilderness but God approved of his actions

Paul the Pharisee excuses supporting breaking the sixth commandment because he believes he is defending the true religion

However he could have- or find no excuse for breaking the tenth commandment

That's the second eureka moment down the plughole, what's next?

Grace777x70 · Dec 17, 2015

it looks like Jesus with His word sanctifies us....we participate in His life...

John 17:17-19 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.[SUP]18 [/SUP] "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.Ephesians 5:26-27 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.

Hebrews 13:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.

There are lots more but I think we are catching on...

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

ladylynn · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

Some people don't want to get in an argument James57. There is no point in any of us falling into anger or sarcasm. A lot of times we can find being 'right' is highly over rated.

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

ladylynn said:

Are you just scolding me Lynn or are you being even handed?

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

if you have to preserve it, you have to earn it.

I love ya bro. But your sounding legalistic, trying to make salvation of works. not of faith.

it is Gods gift, Is Gods gift flawed so much it has to be preserved? what does that say about God?

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

ladylynn said:

Again., this is where is so important to know who we are in Christ. Believers are children of the light., they are not children of the night. And when that verse about judgment beginning in the house of the Lord...it is referring to the Jewish synagogues. Jesus said so Himself when He cast out the money changers and said "do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise"

The believer in the new covenant has been forgiven and judged already in the body of Jesus on the cross.
So important to know this because otherwise we mix up what is being said to the Jews and what is being said to the church. We are under the new covenant of grace and there is no fear of the bride being judged again. We can only be judged once and Jesus paid for alll our sin and paid for all God's judgment upon us. All His wrath fell upon Jesus at the cross on our behalf and for anyone else who receives Jesus, they too become the bride of Christ.

Judgment did come at the ouse of God. and when that judgment was enforced, the veil was torn in two. No longer do we need to go to the holy of holys to be in the presence of God. the barrier was removed.

ladylynn · Dec 17, 2015

Grace777x70 said:

it looks like Jesus with His word sanctifies us....we participate in His life...

John 17:17-19 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.[SUP]18 [/SUP] "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.Ephesians 5:26-27 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.

Hebrews 13:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.

There are lots more but I think we are catching on...

WOW, PRAISE JESUS AMEN WOW!!!! THANK YOU LORD!!!

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

You mean the same spirit we are sealed with till the day of redemption?

Grieving him is not losing him, His seal still stands, and that seal is our guarantee of eternal life (eph 1: 13-14)

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

My commiserations hrftd

If it is any consolation judgement has been passed on many- dont take it personally!

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

Your still in distress

You have someone ignoring one sin and excusing it as not sin, but not ignoring another sin, but admitting that is a sin.

You have to be united in what your claim is, it can not happen one way with one thing, and not set in stone with another.

if it is proven he did it with one sin, you can not prove he did not do it with the other.

The fact is, paul would not worry about his flesh sinning unless he was saved, He would not call himself a wretched man if he did not see his sin, And he would not say there is a battle between the soul and the spirit if he spoke of pre salvation.

You have far too many problems with your system, Yet your only objection is in opposition to itself.

ladylynn · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

Oh for sure I'm speaking from miserable experience, and if you mean by it 'being an even hand' that it's for all of us?... YES and AMEN Brother for sure.

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

ladylynn said:

I know we don't always agree. But the site tis better for your presence on it, I am sure of that!

But then, if we always agreed it wouldn't be any fun would it!

Grace777x70 · Dec 17, 2015

The scripture in 1Peter about judgment in the house of God must come first is a beautiful promise of the sealing of God's people off before judgment comes.

1 Peter 4:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

peter was the apostle to the Hebrews...It is a hebrewism from Eze 9 in which they had set aside the jewish elders and marked them before judgment came..these ones were saved from the judgment....

In other words we get protected/marked by the Spirit of God before judgment comes to protect us..but ti starts at the house of God first..It's awesome!! it's a beautiful picture of us.. We have a good, good Father! and a mighty salvation in Jesus our Lord!

eternally-gratefull said:

Grace777x70 · Dec 17, 2015

REPENT

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

In truth eternally grateful, you are out of your depth I am afraid.

I would stick to the basics of grace and calling people legalists if I were you, Tha is more your comfort zone

eternally-gratefull · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

is this your answer for everything? That's what gets you in trouble. You think your right, and everyone who does not happen to agree with what you cay are out of their league whatever name you feel you have to call them.

why do you think I went after you the way I did, because we disagreed? I disagree with a lot of people in here. That's not the problem, the problem is your attitude and your refusal to humble yourself. You think your right and everyone else is wrong. I grew up with that frame of mind because everyone I knew had it, and I saw what it did to people. I can spot you all a mile away, because I spent a few decades being surrounded by people just like that, and I was raised by a father who was a master of doing that.

I doubt you will learn to humble yourself. But I can pray, It is not just me saying this, You have had multiple people tell you the same thing over and over. But it does not seem to get through.

If you want to believe Paul spoke of pre conversion, that's your right, but telling people they are (whatever slandering name you can think of who disagrees with you, is not the Christ like thing to do.

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

You go after anyone who you think nay be a slight bit legalistic according to your silly definition of what legalism is. Then you keep going and going until you wear someone out to get the last word.

You are too hyper for your own good.

I'm sorry I you had a rough past, truly I am, mine wasn't much fun either I am sure it hasn't been for many.

But really, your position on this subject is absurd. But it would be impossible to talk to you about it because you get too htper-worked up and always have to be right.

If you had any fairness in you you would plainly see euphemia couldn't address his inconsistencies but you are like a bull at a china shop, unable to pause and see the way things truly are
Neither could you defend your stance in Thi debate, but you would never admit you could be wrong, just keep carrying on and on

Call me whatever you like, but you cant understand the truth in this subject, nor would you have it in yourself to learn.
So carry on coming after me if you like lol. But I won't take you seriously

james57 · Dec 17, 2015

Under the new covenant eternally grateful would of course be right. You would not be able to excuse your actions by breaking any law God desires you to keep. For under the new covenant the law is within you God desires you to keep. There can be no hiding from I or excuses for breaking it.
However, Paul the Pharisee was not under the new covenant. The most ardent of Pharisees was convinced he was doing his duty by approving of Stevens death and persecuting christians. Just as in church history religious people have been convinced they were doing Gods will by having people killed to defend their faith
But this is what eternally grateful does not understand.
It is not possible to justify breaking the tenth commandment. You can hardly say you are doing Gods will by breaking that one. You can hardly say you are de fending the true religion by breaking it. No excuse can be found for coveting.
Discernment is called for.

BenFTW · Dec 17, 2015

james57 said:

No one is looking to excuse sin, and the very reason why is that its already been paid for. Jesus paid the penalty for sin, once and for all. No one is trying to justify their sin, we don't even need to make a case. Jesus is our case, matter of fact He is our Advocate and High Priest. Sin has been taken care of, put it behind you and move onward.

People talk so much about sin they forget to mention that it doesn't have dominion over us, yet you would hardly think so when all the focus is on it. James, for as many times as you have spoken on sin it hasn't even set one person free from it. You can tell a sinner they are sinning by the law but until you bring them to Christ and reveal to them grace sin will continue to dominate their lives. You are not setting any person free from sin's grip by holding the Law to their face, you are only condemning them.

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