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Don't forget Martin Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli. Are the Protestant reformers apostate as well? Where does that leave you?
THE PROTESTANT REFORMERS ON MARY
I can prove Mary is Full of Grace; the claim that Mary is a sinner denies this. It can't be both. I have harmony, you have contradiction, so it's not me contradicting scripture. Jesus having biological siblings is not found in the early church, until Helvidius came along 400 years later with a wackado theory. Jerome refuted his false teachings (so did John Calvin). You are re-inventing the wheel.
THE PROTESTANT REFORMERS ON MARY
I can prove Mary is Full of Grace; the claim that Mary is a sinner denies this. It can't be both. I have harmony, you have contradiction, so it's not me contradicting scripture. Jesus having biological siblings is not found in the early church, until Helvidius came along 400 years later with a wackado theory. Jerome refuted his false teachings (so did John Calvin). You are re-inventing the wheel.
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Mary full of grace does not mean she is not a sinner,
If mary was sinless. SHE WOULD NOT NEED GRACE! so she would not be full of grace, she would be full of righteousness. who earned her way to heaven by fulfilling the law in a way that scripture says only Christ did.
Thats the problem with the roman church and their allegorical interpretation of the word. They take words which have definitions, Destroy the definition, Make a religious interpretation (allegorize it) and make a new doctrine out of it.
it is why they reject sola scriptura, the bible does not support their doctrines, they need outside resources to help their allegorical pagan religion to be true.
If mary was sinless. SHE WOULD NOT NEED GRACE! so she would not be full of grace, she would be full of righteousness. who earned her way to heaven by fulfilling the law in a way that scripture says only Christ did.
Thats the problem with the roman church and their allegorical interpretation of the word. They take words which have definitions, Destroy the definition, Make a religious interpretation (allegorize it) and make a new doctrine out of it.
it is why they reject sola scriptura, the bible does not support their doctrines, they need outside resources to help their allegorical pagan religion to be true.
Nope. They were just wrong regarding this issue.
What makes the Catholic Church apostate is the fact they have another Jesus - one who's work on the cross is never finished. A "church" who's "salvation" is merit based.
If that were true, then I guess all Christians are on the same level as Mary, because the Bible says all believers in Jesus are:
1. Holy (Hebrews 10:10, 13:12, Colossians 3:12)
2. Perfect (Hebrews 10:14)
3. Righteous (Romans 3:22)
4. Saints (Philippians 4:21-22, 1 Corinthians 1:2)
5. (Have) Grace (John 1:16, Ephesians 4:7)
And we are all still sinners (1 John 1:8)
It's certainly found in the Bible. But, of course, Catholics pretty much ignore the Bible.
sure enough the HS inspired the scriptures but He certainly did not inspire you and your interpretation - I know at least two that did not sin and remained righteous - it seems Jesus surrendered His divinity and became semi human whilst Mary's surrendered humanity would have made her semi divine - wincam
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whatever the roman church tells him, He can not think for himself. he may screw it up.. (at least that is what every romanist I have spoke to believes)
It sad, when paul tells us to study to shew ourselves approved a workman who needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
How can we do this, if we have to rely on MEN?
It sad, when paul tells us to study to shew ourselves approved a workman who needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
How can we do this, if we have to rely on MEN?
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Hebrews 4, "We have a high priest who was tempted in every point like we are, yet without sin."
Where is the verse saying Mary was without sin? There is none.
2 Cor.
"he who knew no sin was counted as sin in order that we might become the righteousness of God."
Verse for Mary? Zero.
1 Peter
WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH
Speaking of Christ,not Mary!
First, I must acknowledge that there is no explicit verse that directly settles this issue. At the same time, I don't think that an explicit verse is necessary to prove that something is scriptural. I think that if a doctrine is implied in Scripture or logically follows from what we find in Scripture, and if there is nothing in Scripture that directly refutes it, then that belief can be considered scriptural. I think most people agree with me on that point, but it bears repeating, especially when considering the Marian dogmas. When it comes to Catholic beliefs about Mary, people tend to place demands on the evidence they will accept that are way more stringent and unyielding than the demands that they place on their own beliefs.
