the rapture

[popeye]

"Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. my Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

So in the Scripture above, Jesus tells his disciples and which includes all believers that, he is going to the Father's house to prepare a place for us. The Father's house would be without a doubt referring to heaven. 1 Thes.4:13-18 and 1 Cor.15:51-53, are when Jesus returns to take us back to the Father's house. As I have already pointed out, the church is the group that is seen following Christ out of heaven wearing fine linen, white and clean and riding on white horses, which demonstrates that we have to already be in heaven in order to be following him out of it.



I have seen people try to use this scripture to support their position before, but they don't pay attention to the details. First, Jesus prays himself, then for his immediate disciples and then for all believers. In the scripture that you quoted, Jesus is praying for his immediate disciples, those who were with him, that they not to be taken out of the world. And even if you attempted to associate this prayer with all believers, it would be false because obviously, regardless of timing, Jesus is coming back to gather all believers and take us back to the Father's house.



Let's be clear about the Day of the Lord, according to Paul it begins with the resurrection and catching away, which is followed by the wrath of God, which is carried out via the seal, trumpets and bowl judgments. Therefore, the church must be gathered and taken back to the Father's house prior to the first seal being opened, which begins God's wrath.



The problem with what you said above is that, if believers were here on earth to see God's destruction of the wicked, then all believers would also be exposed to God's wrath and that because it will involve the entire earth and there will be no where to hide. Not only that, but the worlds financial system of electronic crediting and debiting will only be accessible for those having the mark of the beast, which would mean that all believers could have no jobs, couldn't not pay their rents, mortgages, buy food or pay any debts of any kind. I think that you need to go back and read up on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments to get an understanding of the severity and magnitude of God's wrath. By the time Christ returns to the earth to end the age there will hardly be anyone left on the earth. Regarding this Jesus said, "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."

The only people who are going to be here during that last seven years will be Israel, the 144,000 who will be caught up to God's throne during the middle of the seven years and the great tribulation saints, who are never referred to as the church, but will be those who become believers in Christ after the church has been removed. The church, though mentioned throughout Revelation 1 thru 3, is never mentioned from chapter 4 onward. It is not until Rev.19 that we see the Bride/Church mentioned at the wedding of the Lamb , which will take place in heaven. Then, the church follows Christ out of heaven to the earth to end the age, where he establishes his millennial kingdom.

Chronological order of end-time events:

1.) Jesus is currently building his Church

2.) Once the church is completed, Christ will gather the dead and living believers and take us to the Father's house

3.) First Seal is opened, which is the revealing of that antichrist and initiates the wrath of God

4.) The rest of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments follow chronologically throughout the seven years

5.) In the middle of the seven the antichrist/beast sets up the abomination in the temple and proclaims himself to be God

6.) Shortly after the seventh bowl judgment is poured out, Christ returns as described in Mt.24:29-31 and Rev.19:11-21

7.) The beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire

8.) An angel from heaven throws Satan into the Abyss and locks and seals it over him for a thousand years

9.) Judgment of the Goats and sheep

10.) Millennial period

nice post atawakee

 

[PlainWord]

And I'm telling you that according to scripture we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that because Christ already suffered it on our behalf. You and others need to understand the magnitude and severity of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and that these involve the entire earth. There will be no place to go to escape them. The scripture from Job doesn't prove anything in regards to the order of events. If you believe that Christ is going to build his church and then send it through his wrath, then you don't understand the nature of God. Christ's promise to remove the living believers is to keep us out of the time of his wrath, which is unprecedented as it will decimate the population of the earth and bring all human government to an end. The order of events is the Removal of the church, followed by God's wrath, which is then followed by the return of the Lord to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Only Israel and the great tribulation saints will be here during the last 3 1/2 years before Christ returns to end the age.

Therefore, if you want to continue to believe as you do, you are free to do so. But as for me, scripture demonstrates that the church will be removed prior to the first seal being opened, which initiates the wrath of God.

Please provide the passage that tells us the church is removed from the earth and transported to heaven to avoid the Tribulation. Does such a passage exist?

I am trying to tell you that your thinking on all of this is wrong.

The Tribulation is the Wrath of Satan aimed at God's People. We are clearly taught this in many, many places. There is no teaching of any distinction between a pre-Trib Saint and a Trib Saint. No such concept can be found.

God's wrath is after the Tribulation and is in response to it. The church escapes the wrath of God because the church is almost entirely removed from the area where God's wrath is poured out. No passage tells us the church is transported to heaven.

The passage from Job doesn't prove anything??? How can you say that? Would Job not participate in the Pre-Trib resurrection (if there was one)? Job doesn't think so as he makes clear he will be hidden in his grave until God's wrath is over and the heavens are no more.

As for the seals, we are in the 4th seal now and we are all still here.

 

[popeye]

No post trib rapture verses???? How about 1Thes4

1 THES. 4 [13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye SORROW NOT, EVEN AS OTHERS which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1THES.4 – voice – clouds – trump of God – sorrow not as others -

ZEPH. 1 – voice – clouds – the trumpet – man shall cry bitterly -

ZEPH. 1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the Lord: the mighty MAN SHALL CRY THERE BITTERLY. [15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness, [16] A DAY OF THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. [17] And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

No doubt about it. Both scriptures are speaking of the same event. Both scriptures speak of what happens on the Day of the Lord.

The Day of the Lord takes place AFTER the tribulation period

The problem is,you have to ignore the pretrib verses to arrive at your formula.

That is what you guys do.

Ignore the pretrib verses,formulate,then Bingo,your postrib RAPTURE theory is born.

Sorry,you do not have a single verse.Not a one.

 

[popeye]

Please provide the passage that tells us the church is removed from the earth and transported to heaven to avoid the Tribulation. Does such a passage exist?

I am trying to tell you that your thinking on all of this is wrong.

The Tribulation is the Wrath of Satan aimed at God's People. We are clearly taught this in many, many places. There is no teaching of any distinction between a pre-Trib Saint and a Trib Saint. No such concept can be found.

God's wrath is after the Tribulation and is in response to it. The church escapes the wrath of God because the church is almost entirely removed from the area where God's wrath is poured out. No passage tells us the church is transported to heaven.

The passage from Job doesn't prove anything??? How can you say that? Would Job not participate in the Pre-Trib resurrection (if there was one)? Job doesn't think so as he makes clear he will be hidden in his grave until God's wrath is over and the heavens are no more.

As for the seals, we are in the 4th seal now and we are all still here.

Please provide the passage that tells us the church is removed from the earth and transported to heaven to avoid the Tribulation. Does such a passage exist?

Noah
lot
the last supper
The baby Jesus taken out prejudgement
Mat 25
Imminency

1 Thes 4
Luke 21;36
mat 24
Rev 3;10

Not to mention the jewish wedding and the fact that the Ac kills all humanoids on the planet w/o the mark

The 2 witnesses are raptured
The 144 k are raptured
Then in almost the same sentence the remnant jews are raptured ALL DURING THE GT

You guys have no case

 

[popeye]

Popeye,

Truth is not found in the words of men but from the Word of God. For you, and many others, teach of multiple future returns of Christ and multiple future resurrections, yet the Word teaches of one future resurrection of the just, and one resurrection of the unjust. They happen together at the end of days. You will not find a separate resurrection of the just before the Tribulation, then a double resurrection of both just and unjust after the Tribulation. Likewise, you will not find a Return of Christ before the Tribulation and another after.

The Word teaches us of one resurrection (both just and unjust) at the end of days when the old heaven and earth are to be no more and are replaced by a new heaven and new earth. This event coincides with the Return of the Lord and the changing of the living who remain. The resurrection coincides with the judgment of both wicked and righteous. The righteous inherit the Kingdom as spiritual beings. The wicked inherit eternal shame and contempt and are absent from the Kingdom.

Jesus does not teach in multiple future resurrections. He only teaches one:

Mat 22:[SUP] 29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.

Notice "the resurrection" is singular as in one event? Whenever the Resurrection is discussed, it is always placed at the end.

Dan 12: And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

How many times do you think the Book of Life is going to be opened? Daniel teaches that both the wicked and righteous are raised together. Daniel understood that he would not rise until the end of days. Daniel was not taught that he would come back to earth before the Tribulation to be resurrected then return back to heaven. Daniel finished telling us about the Tribulation before this passage:

Dan 12: [SUP]13 [/SUP]“But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

When does Daniel get his inheritance? Before the Tribulation" I don't think so.

Jesus also teaches us about one resurrection and locates it at the end, not once but 4 TIMES!!:

John 6: [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

And here:

John 6: [SUP]44 [/SUP]No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

And here:

John 6: [SUP]54 [/SUP]Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

And here:

John 11 [SUP]24 [/SUP]Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Again, Jesus says, "the resurrection" not the "first resurrection." Jesus doesn't reference the Tribulation at all in any of the above 4 passages. Don't you find that odd? The old world is still here before the tribulation. Corruption still exists.

We see the resurrection tied to the end of the world meaning it cannot happen before the tribulation which is of course before wrath and judgment. The teaching of the resurrection being at the end of the world is found in the oldest and newest books of the Bible as we see from Job. Job understood the same as Daniel and the same as Jesus:

Job 14: [SUP]10 [/SUP]But man dies and is laid away; Indeed he breathes his last And where is he?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]As water disappears from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dries up,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, They will not awake
Nor be roused from their sleep.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would appoint me a set time, and remember me! [SUP]14 [/SUP]If a man dies, shall he live again? All the days of my hard service I will wait, Till my change comes.

When does Job say man will arise? When does Job think he will arise. AFTER THE WRATH!! TIL THE HEAVENS ARE NO MORE!! The oldest book agrees with the newest book:

Rev 20 [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. [SUP]13 [/SUP]The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

You see Popeye, Paul doesn’t teach anything new and different such as a pre-trib resurrection and return of the Lord.

1 Cor 15: [SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then comes the end.

Paul didn’t say, “Then comes the Tribulation” did he? You see nowhere in the above passage does Paul suggest a separate resurrection of believers before the Tribulation and another resurrection after the Tribulation. He only discusses one resurrection of those who are Christ’s at His coming. The very next thing Paul tells us is the end comes.

Nowhere in Mat 24 or Mark 13 are we told of a Pre-Trib Rapture return of Christ. The only return of Christ mentioned is the one AFTER the Tribulation. Don't you find that odd? Yet you still believe that the below happens before the Tribulation when the Tribulation isn't even discussed or mentioned. This famous "Pre-Trib Rapture" passage you locate before the Tribulation all because of a misguided belief that in order to avoid God's wrath, that we have to be removed from the planet which is unprecedented even during Noah's Flood. NEVER was man ever removed from the planet to avoid God's wrath.

Therefore, see the below passage where it belongs - AT THE END.

1 Thes 4: [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

Those who remain all the way to the final day of earth are changed, in the twinkling of an eye. Paul teaches this in 1 Cor 15. Peter adds to all of the above and is also in total agreement.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, [SUP]12[/SUP]looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? [SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Peter did not tell us to look forward to the Tribulation now did he? If we were to be resurrected before the Tribulation, shouldn't that be the event we are to look forward to? But no, we are told to look for the COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD WHEN THE HEAVENS WILL BE DISSOLVED.

Sorry Popeye. I'm not going to listen to the fabrications of man. I think I will stick with the Word. You would be well served to do the same.

Hey PW,how's married life?



The 2 witnesses are resurrected during the GT

Which makes "1st resurrection" outside a pretrib rapture/resurrection into a farce

BTW using your same yardstick that you hold us to,show us the word "Muslim" in the bible.

 

[Wall]

The problem is,you have to ignore the pretrib verses to arrive at your formula.

That is what you guys do.

Ignore the pretrib verses,formulate,then Bingo,your postrib RAPTURE theory is born.

Sorry,you do not have a single verse.Not a one.

Oh im sorry. I thought 1Thes.4 {13-18} was to you a pretrib verse. Is it, or isnt it?

 

[PlainWord]

Hey PW,how's married life?



The 2 witnesses are resurrected during the GT

Which makes "1st resurrection" outside a pretrib rapture/resurrection into a farce

BTW using your same yardstick that you hold us to,show us the word "Muslim" in the bible.

Hey Popeye. Married life is great. The Lord has truly blessed me with an amazing wife. I hope you and yours have a wonderful and bless Christmas and incredible 2016.

As for anything in Revelation as I've been saying, it's a highly spiritual book filled with OT symbols which represent something quite different than the literal meaning of those symbols.

The 2 witnesses are indeed the 2 churches, east and west. The spiritual power they once had to convict the world of its sin ("fire from their mouths") will completely be "overcome" by the Beast. The world will celebrate and give gifts to each other once the churches have been silenced.

As for the resurrection, please go back the post you responded to. There are only two resurrections, one when Christ was raised and the other at the end of days which corresponds to judgment. The resurrection happens just prior to the living being transformed.

And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. [SUP]13 [/SUP]In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven. [SUP]14 [/SUP]The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”


In the same hour was the great earthquake. This is the same great earthquake that proceeds the return of Christ and is part of His wrath as we see in Rev 6:

Revelation 6:12
I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

This is the same earthquake foretold here.

Ezekiel 38:19
For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel...

Thus these passages are describing the same events.

As for not seeing the word, "Muslim" in the Bible, the reason is obvious. The word, "Muslim" has the same origin as the word, "Islam" and since Islam wasn't founded until 632 AD, neither word would have been available by any of the Biblical authors. See below:

The Truth About -
"Muslims" - By Yusuf Estes, Former Christian Preacher

Everyone is asking about "Muslims" - who they are, where they come from, what they believe and what they are doing around the world.​

Some are interested to know why so many people are turning to Islam and how it has become the world's fastest growing religion in the world today, being only second to Christianity.
Good questions. But before we begin, it is necessary to provide some understanding of the meaning of words from the Arabic language so as to better present an accurate picture of what is "ISLAM" and who are the "MUSLIMS."
According to the Arabic dictionary, the word "Muslim" comes from the word "Islam."

The word "Moslem" is inappropriate in both spelling and meaning, as there is a word in Arabic, "mozlum" which means a "wrongdoer" or "oppressor" and does not come from the same root.
​

Both "Muslim" and "Islam" come from the same root: "S", "L", "M" (silm) -
meaning; "to submit in peace"; "surrender in obedience"; and this immediately implies a relationship between two entities, one being superior to the other or in charge of matters.
It must be mentioned before going any further, the teachings of Islam are based on the "Recitation of Speech" (Arabic; "Quran") to Muhammad, peace be upon him, and his teachings ("sunnah").

Muslims literally "submit" to the Will of Almighty Allah (Arabic for "The One God of the universe, and stronger in meaning than "god" in English).​

Everything is in the control of Allah and the Muslim is the one who recognizes this and submits himself or herself to the Allah's Will in all matters.

However, we do see the identity of those who follow Mystery Babylon clearly spelled out in Jer 51. Further, we know the origin of the nations which rise up against Israel to be from Muslim nations. Further, in Ezek 28 we see that it is the nations which surround Israel and hate her which will be destroyed.


[SUP]25 [/SUP]‘Thus says the Lord God: “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God.”’”

Here we are clearly told who God executes judgment against. It is Muslims who follow their beast and who take peace from the earth at the 4th seal. Muslims are the tares which are growing alongside the wheat (Israel). Just look at world events and the size of their religion and the global caliphate they announced. It shouldn't come as any big surprise.

 

[PlainWord]

Noah
lot
the last supper
The baby Jesus taken out prejudgement
Mat 25
Imminency

1 Thes 4
Luke 21;36
mat 24
Rev 3;10

Not to mention the jewish wedding and the fact that the Ac kills all humanoids on the planet w/o the mark

The 2 witnesses are raptured
The 144 k are raptured
Then in almost the same sentence the remnant jews are raptured ALL DURING THE GT

You guys have no case

Sorry, I just checked every verse you cited. Could not find the church being raptured off to heaven before the Tribulation.

Actually, the AC does not kill everyone on the planet who refuses the mark. He only kills those he finds. If the AC killed everyone, there would be no ELECT for Christ to gather. So, that idea fails.

Rev 3:10 speaks of keeping a group from Satan's Tribulation. It doesn't say they are removed from the planet. Geez.

Satan's Tribulaton
God's Wrath
Return of the Lord

 

[Ahwatukee]

Rev 3:10 speaks of keeping a group from Satan's Tribulation. It doesn't say they are removed from the planet. Geez.

Oh, but it does. The scripture says " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world." The word used is "Ek" which means "out of." I will keep you "out of" the hour of trial. Not through, not during, but I will keep you out of that time of trial that is coming.

 

[PlainWord]

Who is those whose names are not written in the Book of Life?

[SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Why it's those who follow Mystery Babylon (ISLAM).

Revelation 17:8

The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

What is their destiny?

Revelation 20:15
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Paul teaches in Gal 4 below that there are two covenants, one is free, one is slave. One of promise, one of flesh. One who is desolate, one who has a husband (us). The Abomination of _________(What?). Who are the desolate? The ones born of flesh persecutes the one born of promise and freedom. The one of flesh far outnumber the ones of promise.

For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— [SUP]25 [/SUP]for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— [SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written:“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”


[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”


If you look closely, you will see a reference to a baron one and one with many children above. The baron one (Israel) is to rejoice. The husband is the LORD and the Baron One does not have a husband. Hagar, the Egyptian is the mother of Ishmael who is considered the Father of all Muslims. Here is your proof Popeye. Now look at this:

What does Babylon say when faced with destruction?

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’

She claims to be no widow, but Paul teaches the Galatians that she indeed is a widow and has no husband. She is married to the wrong god, ALLAH, who is actually Satan himself. Now turn to Mat 24:

[SUP]19 [/SUP]But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!

Who are the pregnant? It is the Muslims. Who is the one in the field taken? Again - Muslims.

Now here is the clincher. The below is an except from ISLAM TOMORROW website:

Calculations according the United Nations put the number of Muslims on earth today between 1.2 billion and 1.5 billion, making Islam the number two religion in the world after Christianity. That would mean about 1 in four people today are Muslim.

Did you catch that???? How much of the world do they represent? 1 in 4?? Ring a bell???

How about now?

[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

How much of the earth do they control? Did I read a fourth??? Where do Muslims think they go when they die in their Jihad? Paradise? The color green represents Paradise in ISLAM. Where is the above tell us they really go? Hades. DEATH AND HADES.

Who gets cast in the Lake of Fire?

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

DEATH AND HADES.

Again, what happens to those who have been worshiping the Beast? It all agrees and fits only ISLAM and MUSLIMS. I rest my case.

 

[DP]

"Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. my Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

So in the Scripture above, Jesus tells his disciples and which includes all believers that, he is going to the Father's house to prepare a place for us. The Father's house would be without a doubt referring to heaven. 1 Thes.4:13-18 and 1 Cor.15:51-53, are when Jesus returns to take us back to the Father's house. As I have already pointed out, the church is the group that is seen following Christ out of heaven wearing fine linen, white and clean and riding on white horses, which demonstrates that we have to already be in heaven in order to be following him out of it.



I have seen people try to use this scripture to support their position before, but they don't pay attention to the details. First, Jesus prays himself, then for his immediate disciples and then for all believers. In the scripture that you quoted, Jesus is praying for his immediate disciples, those who were with him, that they not to be taken out of the world. And even if you attempted to associate this prayer with all believers, it would be false because obviously, regardless of timing, Jesus is coming back to gather all believers and take us back to the Father's house.



Let's be clear about the Day of the Lord, according to Paul it begins with the resurrection and catching away, which is followed by the wrath of God, which is carried out via the seal, trumpets and bowl judgments. Therefore, the church must be gathered and taken back to the Father's house prior to the first seal being opened, which begins God's wrath.



The problem with what you said above is that, if believers were here on earth to see God's destruction of the wicked, then all believers would also be exposed to God's wrath and that because it will involve the entire earth and there will be no where to hide. Not only that, but the worlds financial system of electronic crediting and debiting will only be accessible for those having the mark of the beast, which would mean that all believers could have no jobs, couldn't not pay their rents, mortgages, buy food or pay any debts of any kind. I think that you need to go back and read up on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments to get an understanding of the severity and magnitude of God's wrath. By the time Christ returns to the earth to end the age there will hardly be anyone left on the earth. Regarding this Jesus said, "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."

The only people who are going to be here during that last seven years will be Israel, the 144,000 who will be caught up to God's throne during the middle of the seven years and the great tribulation saints, who are never referred to as the church, but will be those who become believers in Christ after the church has been removed. The church, though mentioned throughout Revelation 1 thru 3, is never mentioned from chapter 4 onward. It is not until Rev.19 that we see the Bride/Church mentioned at the wedding of the Lamb , which will take place in heaven. Then, the church follows Christ out of heaven to the earth to end the age, where he establishes his millennial kingdom.

Chronological order of end-time events:

1.) Jesus is currently building his Church

2.) Once the church is completed, Christ will gather the dead and living believers and take us to the Father's house

3.) First Seal is opened, which is the revealing of that antichrist and initiates the wrath of God

4.) The rest of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments follow chronologically throughout the seven years

5.) In the middle of the seven the antichrist/beast sets up the abomination in the temple and proclaims himself to be God

6.) Shortly after the seventh bowl judgment is poured out, Christ returns as described in Mt.24:29-31 and Rev.19:11-21

7.) The beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire

8.) An angel from heaven throws Satan into the Abyss and locks and seals it over him for a thousand years

9.) Judgment of the Goats and sheep

10.) Millennial period

So it was problem that the children of Israel were NOT removed from Egypt when God sent plagues upon Pharaoh and Egypt?

Was it a problem when Nebuchadnezzar looked over into the hot fiery furnace at Meshech, Shadrach, and Abednigo and saw a Fourth Man in the furnace with them with the appearance of The Son of God, and they came out unscathed, and their clothing didn't even smell of smoke? (Dan.3)

You don't understand God's Power of protection upon His faithful. We can be standing right in the midst of the storm of heat on that "day of the Lord" among the wicked, and not a single hair on our head touched. That's how accurate our Heavenly Father can be with His Judgments upon the wicked while protecting His servants.

 

[PlainWord]

Oh, but it does. The scripture says " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world." The word used is "Ek" which means "out of." I will keep you "out of" the hour of trial. Not through, not during, but I will keep you out of that time of trial that is coming.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

And this "Hour of Trial" is what? The Great Tribulation? The Wrath of God? Something else?

They are being kept from or "out of" the hour of trial why? Because they persevered, right. You know the word, "persevere" is used only twice in the entire Bible, both in Revelation? Here is the other use.

Revelation 2:3
and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary.

and have patience.

PERSEVERE - PATIENCE - WAIT

Right in the middle of all the chaos of Rev 13 when we are told about the Beast of the Sea, just before the Beast of the earth we are given this:

Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

We must we be patient? What is the CHURCH promised it will go through?

2 Corinthians 6:4

But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God: in much patience, in tribulations, in needs, in distresses...

2 Thessalonians 1:4
so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure...

James 1:3
knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.

James 5:10
My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord, as an example of suffering and patience.

SUFFERING - DISTRESS - TRIBULATIONS

We, as a CHURCH and CHILDREN OF CHRIST are PROMISED THESE THINGS. Therefore when the Great Tribulation comes, it will be more of the same but on steroids.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

We see the results of Mat 24:9 here in Rev 7:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb...So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb...

We are promised TRIBULATION and even DEATH for our faith. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere are we as a CHURCH body promised a cake walk and certainly nowhere are we promised a flight to heaven to avoid the worst tribulation.

Ask yourself: What is the purpose of the WRATH of GOD??? What has been going on to make God so angry?

ANSWER: The Great Tribulation (Satan's Great Tribulation) has been going on. That's why God is so angry. If GOD doesn't put a stop to it, Satan will kill everyone. So for the ELECT'S sake, God puts a stop to it:

[SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

The above is not God's Wrath!! God does not need to shorten His own days. God is shortening Satan's Wrath, Satan's Tribulation whereby Satan is trying to kill everyone believers and sinners alike. Satan is a murder and the father of all murders.

Rev 12: Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Why do you suppose we have the above warning? What is the devil going to do on the earth in the above passage?

Why do you think the souls of the slain at the 5th seal are calling out for vengeance? Is it because God killed them with His wrath or is it because Satan did? When does God get his vengeance, before or after Satan? Paul tells us in 2 Thes 1:

[SUP]6 [/SUP]since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels...

and again by the writer of Hebrews.

Hebrews 10:30
For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

GOD REPAYS. So the wicked had to be doing something for God to repay, right? And when does the REPAYING happen? The answer is right there in the above. WHEN JESUS IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS.

Rev 18: “Come out of her, my people... [SUP]6 [/SUP]Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.

We aren't told of a fly away to heaven. We are simply told to get out. This command is repeated in Jer 51:

[SUP]44 [/SUP]I will punish Bel in Babylon, And I will bring out of his mouth what he has swallowed; And the nations shall not stream to him anymore. Yes, the wall of Babylon shall fall. [SUP]45 [/SUP]“My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the Lord.

The RAPTURE has nothing to do with the Tribulation or escaping it. The Tribulation is aimed at us. Satan has deceived so many of my brothers and sisters into complacency telling you, "not to worry, you are going to fly away to heaven and be safe." Satan is coming to kill us - as many of us as he can!!! Jeremiah makes clear we are to deliver ourselves. We are to leave the area of Babylon.

 

[popeye]

Oh, but it does. The scripture says " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world." The word used is "Ek" which means "out of." I will keep you "out of" the hour of trial. Not through, not during, but I will keep you out of that time of trial that is coming.

They have no such list as what I posted off the top of mu head

In fact they have no verses at all....zero

Comical

 

[popeye]

Oh, but it does. The scripture says " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world." The word used is "Ek" which means "out of." I will keep you "out of" the hour of trial. Not through, not during, but I will keep you out of that time of trial that is coming.

I just thought of something
They say the the part of the GT that is"just satans tribulation" is the part that see's the GM in heaven

Billions beheaded,but they,with a straight face believe they are PROTECTED.

OH DEAR WHAT A FARCE

 

[popeye]

Sorry, I just checked every verse you cited. Could not find the church being raptured off to heaven before the Tribulation.

Actually, the AC does not kill everyone on the planet who refuses the mark. He only kills those he finds. If the AC killed everyone, there would be no ELECT for Christ to gather. So, that idea fails.

Rev 3:10 speaks of keeping a group from Satan's Tribulation. It doesn't say they are removed from the planet. Geez.

Satan's Tribulaton
God's Wrath
Return of the Lord

Well,using that ridiculous formula you shot down your own deal,cuz I don't see "Muslim" anywhere,which is the heart of your message

 

[PlainWord]

Well,using that ridiculous formula you shot down your own deal,cuz I don't see "Muslim" anywhere,which is the heart of your message

The word, "Muslim" did not exist before 630 AD. When was the last book of the Bible written? Maybe as late as 96 AD? You don't see "Color TV" or the "internet" or "jet planes" or "Facebook" in the Bible either. But does that mean those don't exist?

I showed you many passages which prove they could only be Muslims.

Jer 51:54: And great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans... - Where is Chaldea and who are their descendants?

Rev 20:4: Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus... - What religion beheads?

Rev 20: [SUP]10 [/SUP]The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. - What religion has a False Prophet?

Rev 17: [SUP]3 [/SUP]So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast - What false religion's head quarters can be found in the wilderness?

Rev 6:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a green horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth. - What religion has power over a fourth of the earth?

Ezek 28: then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God.”’” - Who lives all around Israel and hates them?

Zechariah 14:21
Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. - Who are the Canaanites?

Jer 25: [SUP]24 [/SUP]all the kings of Arabia and all the kings of the mixed multitude who dwell in the desert; [SUP]25 [/SUP]all the kings of Zimri, all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes; [SUP]26 [/SUP]all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another; and all the kingdoms of the world which are on the face of the earth. Also the king of Sheshach shall drink after them. [SUP]27 [/SUP]“Therefore you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.”’ - Who dwells in Arabia and these other places?

What is it they are drinking in the above? How about this?

Revelation 14:10

he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

The "Drink" is the Wrath of God.

 

[PlainWord]

I just thought of something
They say the the part of the GT that is"just satans tribulation" is the part that see's the GM in heaven

Billions beheaded,but they,with a straight face believe they are PROTECTED.

OH DEAR WHAT A FARCE

Just want to clarify a confusion. I do not think we are protected from Satan's Great Tribulation. In fact, I think we are the target of it. All of us. Muslim, Christians and Jews alike. We are all subject to Satan's Wrath which = The Great Tribulation.

However, we are not appointed to God's Wrath. God's Wrath is not aimed at us. It's aimed at the killing thugs who are following Satan (Allah).

Since you think the Great Tribulation = The Wrath of God then by necessity the GM in heaven are killed by God. So you believe that the so-called "Tribulation Saint" is the focus of God's Wrath??? So you believe that the so-called Pre-Trib (to be Raptured) Saint" is not appointed to God's wrath but the "Trib Saint (missed the Rapture) is?????

Please show me a verse that teaches ANY Saint is appointed to God's Wrath?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Just want to clarify a confusion. I do not think we are protected from Satan's Great Tribulation. In fact, I think we are the target of it. All of us. Muslim, Christians and Jews alike. We are all subject to Satan's Wrath which = The Great Tribulation.

However, we are not appointed to God's Wrath. God's Wrath is not aimed at us. It's aimed at the killing thugs who are following Satan (Allah).

Since you think the Great Tribulation = The Wrath of God then by necessity the GM in heaven are killed by God. So you believe that the so-called "Tribulation Saint" is the focus of God's Wrath??? So you believe that the so-called Pre-Trib (to be Raptured) Saint" is not appointed to God's wrath but the "Trib Saint (missed the Rapture) is?????

Please show me a verse that teaches ANY Saint is appointed to God's Wrath?

Hello Plainword,

What you are not understanding is that God's wrath begins with the opening of the first seal, which is the revealing of the antichrist. He is the one who is depicted as the rider on the white horse. The entire seven years is the fulfillment of the day of the Lord which is carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Even the events that are carried out by the beast and the false prophet are apart of God's wrath and run parallel to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. If you don't believe that, it is God who puts it into the hearts of the beast and the ten kings to hate the woman, Mystery Babylon and destroying her and by doing so, will be fulfilling God's will.

It is this attempt to divide tribulation from God's wrath that is the problem. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are God's fulfillment of the long prophesied "Day of the Lord." This unprecedented out-pouring of God's wrath upon the entire earth is meant to decimate the population of the world (Zeph.1, Isa.13:12, Dan.2:31-45) and to dismantle all human government in preparation for the Lord's millennial kingdom on earth. That is what is soon to come. But before that first seal is opened our Lord will appear and will gather into the air, the dead and living who belong to him to take us back to the Father's house. Then God's wrath will be poured out laying waste to the earth and its inhabitants. Stop attempting to separate tribulation from God's wrath, for they take place during the same time frame. The church must be removed before the Lamb opens the first seal.

 

[PlainWord]

What you are not understanding is that God's wrath begins with the opening of the first seal, which is the revealing of the antichrist.

Well, you are on the right track. You are correct to think that the seals are evil. Revelation is a study of the contrast between good and evil. The "heroes" are the Saints and the villains are those who follow Mystery Babylon. However, the first seal is not the A/C. The A/C leads the final war of the Tribulation, he doesn't lead the first one. Thus the first seal was opened back in 632 AD with the revealing of the False Prophet, Muhammad. It is Muhammad who rides the White Horse. In his case he rode a Mule/Donkey Mystical creature called Barrack (Al-Barrak) to Jerusalem then to heaven. He conquered Mecca (Mekkah). He throw out all of the idols (360 of them) and founded Islam and became the Prophet of Allah.

All the seals deal with ISLAM which I have been showing is Mystery Babylon. The 2nd Seal was the Ottoman Empire. It's official color was Red. The Ottomans killed millions of Christians, especially in Armenia. After their empire collapsed in 1922 following WW1, their remnant sided with Hitler who killed 6 million Jews and tens of millions of non-Jews. The Ottoman was the last of 7 Evil Empires which carried Mystery Babylon.

The entire seven years is the fulfillment of the day of the Lord which is carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Even the events that are carried out by the beast and the false prophet are apart of God's wrath

With respect, the seals are 100% the workings of Satan. They are ABSOLUTELY NOT part of God's Wrath. God does not kill the Saints which were killed by the 3 of the 4 horsemen and are manifested as the 5th seal. God allows everything. God created Satan but to attribute Satan's deeds to God is... I won't even say what it is. God's wrath is in response to the seals my friend and His wrath begins at the 6th Seal.

If you don't believe that, it is God who puts it into the hearts of the beast and the ten kings to hate the woman, Mystery Babylon and destroying her and by doing so, will be fulfilling God's will.

This is true. But the victim here is evil. God often uses enemies to exact revenge. Mystery Babylon is Islam and the 10 terror groups will in fact destroy Muhammad's invention. This happens later.

It is this attempt to divide tribulation from God's wrath that is the problem. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are God's fulfillment of the long prophesied "Day of the Lord."

I don't know how much more proof you need from what I already showed you in scripture. God's wrath is in direct retaliation to Satan's Great Tribulation. God does not kill the Saints under the Alter seen at the 5th Seal, neither does He kill the Great Multitude in Heaven spoken of in Rev 7. There is NOTHING that tells us all the seals, trumps and bowls are God's Wrath.

I'm not going to debate you over whether or not The Tribulation covers the whole world. It doesn't.

and to dismantle all human government in preparation for the Lord's millennial kingdom on earth.

Where does all of this come from? Human government is not ended. Christ merely rules with a Rod of Iron. But nations and human governments continue as we see in Zech 14. If there was no human government, how could Egypt or other nations be given a choice?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. [SUP]18 [/SUP]If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

But before that first seal is opened our Lord will appear and will gather into the air, the dead and living who belong to him to take us back to the Father's house.

Obviously not, we are still here and in the 4th seal now.

Stop attempting to separate tribulation from God's wrath, for they take place during the same time frame.

I don't know what more I can show you. I provide 100% Biblical proof of the falsity of your thinking on this but either your mind is totally closed to consider any views other than your own or you simply cannot see the obvious. I will try one final time.

This is all Satan's Wrath AKA the Great Tribulation:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. [SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false Christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

God does not send false Christs and Prophets to tempt people, Satan does. God does not set up Abominations of Desolation, Satan does. God does not show great signs and wonders to deceive, Satan does. God doesn't need to shorten His days to save the ELECT, He shortens Satan's days.

This is the Wrath in response:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Incidentally, the above lines up here in Revelation.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,[SUP][e][/SUP] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon[SUP][f][/SUP] became like blood. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[SUP][g][/SUP] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

 

[Ahwatukee]

Thus the first seal was opened back in 632 AD with the revealing of the False Prophet, Muhammad

Hi PlainWord,

Forgive me, but you are already on the wrong track. Revelation is not a study of good vs. evil, but is a detailed account of the day of the Lord, the wrath of God that was prophesied of by the OT prophets and is quickly coming. All of the events of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will take place within that last seven years. Again, when people assign the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments to historical events, it tells me that they don't understand end-time events nor the magnitude of God's wrath. Jesus said that all of those events would take place in that last generation leading up to his return.

These judgments of wrath that are coming will not be events that will silently be able to take place in the background of history, but as scripture states they will begin during that last seven years and will decimate the immediate population of that time and will dismantle all human government. Believe me, I know what I am talking about! I'm not just some guy spouting off his personal belief of what I think scripture has to say.

This time of wrath is coming regardless of what you or other's views are and they will bring this age to its end. As Jesus said, unless this time of wrath had been shortened, no one would be left on the earth. By the end, this world will be unrecognizable! Right at the beginning, a fourth of the earth's immediate population will be killed by war, famine, disease and by wild beasts of the earth, a third of the earth will be burnt up, a third of the creatures in the sea will be killed and third of the ships destroyed, a third of the rivers and fresh water will be poisoned and many people will die from drinking the waters, the sun, moon and stars will be darkened by a third, demonic beings will be let out of the Abyss and will torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like scorpions, a third of the earth's population will be killed by those angels released from the River Euphrates, Satan and his angels will be cast down to the earth and restricted here for that last 3 1/2 years and I haven't even gotten to the bowl judgments yet nor the judgments that will come about via the two witnesses. The oceans and all fresh water will be turned in to literal blood, the cities of the nations will collapse, the mountains and the islands will be gone and that due to the greatest earthquake to ever take place since man has been on the earth, as well as the rest of the bowl judgments .

Do those events sound like something that could take place behind the scenes of history? As I said, those who try to relate these events of wrath as being past historical events have no idea of what they are talking about. So, when you see a political leader make a seven year covenant with Israel allowing them to build their long awaited temple, then you will know that the last seven years has begun and that these events are to be interpreted literally. And all of the judgments of wrath that I mentioned above will follow in the order listed. When that happens, think back on this post, because it is coming, whether you believe it or not.