Question About Gods Chosen People

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I can see that something has stirred in your spirit a hatred for the Jews. It also appears through what you've said about them in several posts that you might think they are not even true Israel, when the reality is that certain numbers of foreigners of the Canaanite nations did creep in among Judah and Israel, but that does not mean all of the Jews are foreigners, for even Apostle Paul called himself a Jew, and also called Peter a Jew. The title Jew simply became a title used by the three tribed "house of Judah" left in the land after the majority of the ten tribes were removed by the kings of Assyria. The strangers of the nations living among them, including the leftover Canaanite bondservants of Solomon's day also took that title of Jew then. When the nation of Edom was destroyed, many of those Idumeans became religious Jews and dwelt in Judea (the Herods were Idumeans descended from Esau).

I've already shown in a previous post here on this thread ample Scripture showing that GOD indeed DID put spiritual BLINDNESS upon the majority of the Jews, which is what Paul was talking about in the section of Romans 11 I quoted.

But you decide to REJECT all that, and it's obvious you do that because of a hatred you have for the Jews, otherwise you wouldn't be so fast to want to cast them off because of their ignorance and blindness God put upon them for this world.
You have showed me nothing if you had, then this would not be continuing. The only book, not a certain scripture you gave me was Roman 11, in which I broke part of it down for you and you choose to ignore which is fine. You are just like the Pharisees and the Sadducees of that day, refusing the truth. I have said nothing without scripture. You have said a lot with only one book which do not support majority of what you said. You are like most people you accept what you find easy to deal with--- only partial truth or else you will research the little knowledge you just gave and find out the truth. I know where the title JEWS come from, but what you don’t understand and need to research more is that Juda was not the only tribe left, part of the Benjaminites and Levites were there as well, but yes they started calling all of them JEWS. And I have said many times that all of the disciples were Israelites, so I don’t need your education on that, if you had read my posting as you stated, you would not have stated the obvious. And as for Paul, he did not say he was a JEW, he stated he was an Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin -- if you had seeked to provide proof of your claims, then you would have caught this – see Roman 11:1 – ( 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. ) And I don’t hate the JEWS, I only speak the truth, regarding them. And the nation of Edom was not destroyed, you have that wrong, but you are correct they were living among the JEWS when they were overthrown by the Romans. And they had a part in helping to bring down the JEWS because they were jealous and thought that they were the rightful heir, same as Ishmael descendants. But the truth you lack is that, after they help the Romans, they no longer exist because they simply stole the JEWS identity and started claiming to be the true JEWS. The even tells you this will happen – see Psalms 83:4 --- ( 1 (A Song or Psalm of Asaph.) Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; 7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. ) The true JEWS, not the practicing JEWS, all were took away in captive and sold into slavery. Except the ones who escaped in other parts of Africa, but did not ever return and claim their birthright. Except for one tribe, named the Lemba tribe, who claimed to be descendants of Israelite and were given a blood test and proven to be from the tribe of Levi. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJObiRyTBWw ) These people are black people in Zimbabwe, not white people. Just like all the other tribes were black, the Niger as the Bible dictionary reveals. As the black people in US, who are part of the lost tribes, possible the real JEWS. So you see, I don’t hate the JEWS or speak against them, only imposter do I show up. So you can do as you always do, reject what I have said and do not research for yourself. Its much better for you to believe a lie, after all the world is built upon many…especially when it comes to the JEWS and the many nations plot to get rid of them.

Jayoish.
 
And the only people that I know in which who think they are saved are ignorant and unlearned about the Bible. Please by all means prove me wrong and show me scriptures in the Bible which states that we are already saved. Because I gave two in my earlier posting that say we are not: 1 Peter 1:3 --- (3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ) and Jesus states in Matthew 24:13 -- ( 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ) And one of them from Jesus whom you state you are his, but I guess you do not believe him when he say you must endure to the end and then you shall be saved. Even Paul knew that he was not saved yet because in 2 Timothy 4:6-10 he states, ( 6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 9 Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me: 10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia. ) He also let us know that we can fall away from GOD when he states Demas had did so because of his loving of this present world. Also he states in 2 Timothy 4:3-5 --- ( 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. ) Which means you can turn away from GOD and people are not going to be willing to endure sound doctrine (not want to do what GOD say, but do what pleases them, satisfy their own lust and fleshy desires)
Definition of en·dure:
1. suffer (something painful or difficult) patiently. 2. remain in existence; last.

Remember, please prove me wrong, provide scriptures that say you are saved now!

Jayoish


I provided you plenty of scriptures. READ THEM
 
so where does it say Jesus was talking to Israel in that verse?

45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables,
they perceived that [he spake of them].

Who else would he be talking to, he said himself, he came to only the lost sheep of the house of Israel? He ignored the Canaan woman. see Matthew 15:22-24 -- ( 22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. )


Jayoish
 
see Psalms 83:4 --- ( 1 (A Song or Psalm of Asaph.)

Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation;
that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. )
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Psalms 83 alliance confederate together, to cut them off from being a nation;
that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance ,

Has [never] happened before in history.

but that alliance is starting to form now in these end times.



also I did not see the video, but know they are not black people
 
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God kept the covenant they did not .. The covenant was based on obedience it was conditional ..

Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Abraham's obedience
Gen 18:17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.


the Lord spoke to Isaac
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:


conditional ...


That fact that Israel today does not have the land promised to Abraham speaks to the condition they did not keep... Had they keep the conditions Israel would be this big..
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates.
 
conditional ...

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all the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and
the glory,belong sole to Israel (Romans 9:4).

God promised Abraham’s literal, human,flesh-and blood descendants
should become “a great nation” Gen12:2

that He would “multiply thee exceedingly” (Genesis 17:2);
that“thou shalt be a father of many nations”(verse 4);

“I will make thee exceeding fruitful,
and I will make nations of thee”(verse 6).

In Genesis 17:8, God promised “all the land of Canaan,”
but in other scriptures He promised much more.

In Genesis 15:18:Unto thy seed have I given this land,
from the river of Egypt [the Nile] unto the great river,

-The Euphrates is a considerable distance to
the east in the ancient land of Babylon,

Genesis 24:60 to Abraham’s daughter-in-law: “e thou
the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed
possess the gate of those which hate them.”

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“By myself have I sworn, saith the [Eternal],
because thou hast done,not withheld thy only son

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will
multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore;
and thy seed shall possess the gates of his enemies.

The promise now is [unconditional].

This legacy guaranteed on the authority of God Almighty
unconditionally, multitudinous population,untold wealth
and material resources, national greatness
and world power!owning enemys [sea] gates

The spiritual promises,the promises of the “one seed,”Christ,
and of salvation through Him—Bible calls the scepter.

But the material and national promises relating to many
nations, national wealth, prosperity and power, and possession
of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.

Both the birthright and the scepter were repromised
by the Eternal to Abraham and Isaac and to Jacob.
 
where do the Scriptures say the promise is/was unconditional ?

Edited to add:

second reading of your posts (Which i should have read at least twice before responding.. ) i believe reads a bit different ..
 
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Then they still have the land and were never in captivity to Babayon right?
 
when God brought them out of Egypt - God was there King, and law giver, but they wanted a man,
they would have become the most powerful nation then, if followed his words.

Howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of
the king that shall reign over them” (1 Samuel 8:7-9).

“Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee:
for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me,
that I should not reign over them.

-up to this point they had only disobeyed God, now they reject him as there king.
Saul was their first human king. but rejected by God (2 Samuel 2)

David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.
David’s [son] Solomon succeeded him, also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.

1 Chronicles 29:23
23Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father,

2 Chronicles 9:8)
Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne,
to be king for the Lord thy God:

because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever,
therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.


2 Samuel 23:1, 5
1“Now these be the last words of David.

5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:

“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan,
saying, Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me
an house for me to dwell in,

[W]hen thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers,
I will set up thy seed after thee,

which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.

[He shall build] an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.

I will be his father, and he shall be my son. [Solomon]

- Solomon build an house for God

If he commit iniquity, I will chasten (him) with (the rod of men),
and with the stripes of the children of men:

-The [punishment for disobedience] would be chastening at the hands of men,
read about that in the blessing and curses book [lev]

people say this is talking about [Jesus], problem is Christ did not sin ,
or even think of .

But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul,
whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be
established for ever before thee:

shall be established for ever” (2 Samuel 7:4-5, 12-16).
again was established forever in Solomon

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.


4And Abijah stood up upon mount Zemaraim, which is in mount Ephraim, and said,
Hear me, thou Jeroboam, and all Israel;

5Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over
Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by [a covenant of salt? ]


3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto [David my servant],
4Thy seed will I establish for ever, and [build up thy throne] [to all generations]. Selah.

That term “all generations” certainly must include those generations from Zedekiah
to the birth of Christ. Who occupied that throne during those generations?

did Jesus take over that throne first trip, is he sitting on that throne, not on Gods side?

28My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and [his throne as the days] of heaven.

30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.

34My covenant [will I not break], nor [alter] the thing that is gone out of my lips.

35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.


31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son,
and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called
the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over [the house of Jacob] for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Jesus earthly kingdom has not happened yet.
 
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Jesus earthly kingdom has not happened yet.
disagree..


Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

The Jewish leaders of Jesus' day wanted a King about like David or Solomon .. The King of Kings was rejected. and He became the corner stone ...

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
 
Jesus earthly kingdom has not happened yet.

disagree..

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-so this has happened allready?


The second [woe is past]; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;

and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 
Jesus said: .


Luk 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.



Mat_11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Mat_11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.


Luk_22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
 
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night,

[hope to come]. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.


3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying,
Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of [thy coming],
and of the end of the world?

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is [not yet].
 
Psalms 83 alliance confederate together, to cut them off from being a nation;
that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance ,

Has [never] happened before in history.

but that alliance is starting to form now in these end times.



also I did not see the video, but know they are not black people

The difference in you and I is I research every lead I get, you ignore and choose not to follow up on thing, laid in your lap. Of course you did not look at it, you don't want to know the truth, instead, give your own reality of it. By saying stuff like, it never happened in history, when I know for a fact it did. Your problem is you know nothing and think you know everything. I don't feel sorry for someone who is going to be lost due to lack of knowledge who rejects it.



Good luck with the reminder of your life, I only wish I could send you a message when you end up right in the middle of the great tribulation, takin that mark of the beast and getting yourself cut off from GOD forever with no more chances or forgiveness!

Jayoish
 
-so this has happened allready?


The second [woe is past]; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;

and he shall reign for ever and ever.
wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Who else would he be talking to, he said himself,
he came to only the lost sheep of the house of Israel?

Jayoish

During Shalmaneser’s three-year siege of Samaria in the eighth century b.c.,
the Assyrians uprooted the Israelites from their homeland and deported them
as slaves into the land of Assyria, then located between the Euphrates River
and the southern shores of the Caspian Sea (see 2 Kings 17:23-24).

After this event, many historians and scholars lose track of the Israelites.
Some assume that the 10 tribes vanished from off the Earth!

But they didn’t disappear. They just lost their identity, as Jesus plainly confirmed
a full eight centuries later. As a direct descendant of King David, of the tribe of Judah,
Jesus had been born in a Jewish colony that was subordinate to the Roman Empire.

“He came unto his own,” it says in John 1:11, “and his own received him not.”


The Jews rejected Jesus and so He turned to the Gentiles instead, some assume.
But he didn’t! Notice what Jesus said to a Gentile woman in Matthew 15:24:

“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”


Jesus said His mission was to reach the house of Israel (not the house of Judah)
and that Israel’s identity (obviously not Judah’s) had become lost.


How then—since Christ’s life was cut short soon after He made that statement
—was that divine mission fulfilled? Read it yourself in Matthew 10:5-6.

In that account, Jesus commanded His disciples not to preach the gospel in Gentile
regions (Paul would take care of that—see Acts 18:6), but to go instead to
the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.

In Jesus’s stead, all the original apostles were sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

This is why, after Acts 11, you read very little about the original 12.
Once they went to the lost sheep of Israel, history lost sight of them.

Notice the way the Apostle James introduced his epistle: “James, a servant of God
and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”

James didn’t even address the Gentiles. Nor is his letter exclusively directed at
the house of Judah. His target audience was primarily the tribes of Israel that
had been “scattered abroad” during their Assyrian captivity eight centuries earlier!

the book of James ends without any closing salutations about the people he was writing to


one important clue that sheds light on the location of the lost sheep during the first century.
It’s in James 4:1: “From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence,
even of your lusts that war in your members?” While this passage has a spiritual application
that applies to God’s people today, in James’s day, he was speaking about literal wars
that were raging in the areas where Israelites had been scattered.

James wrote his book around a.d. 60, about 10 years before the Roman Empire sacked
Jerusalem. It was a relatively peaceful time in the world, with Rome towering above
regional powers. At the time, Rome was engaged in just two major skirmishes

—one in Britain and the other in Parthia, located around the southern shores of the Caspian Sea!

These were the wars going on “among” the Israelites James addressed.
 
Good luck with the reminder of your life, I only wish I could send you a message when you end up right in the middle of the great tribulation, takin that mark of the beast and getting yourself cut off from GOD forever with no more chances or forgiveness!

Jayoish

thanks for condeming me without a trial