The difference between discipline and punishment

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This afternoon my perfect little boy ate all the licorice after I told him not too. It's funny how our childrens disobedience parallels Adam and Eves in the garden... in that it creates separation. I decided to seize the moment as it was definitely a teachable moment. We want our children to fail when they are under our roof and the consequences are small. I sent him to his room and told him that I would come get him in a bit... and that I wanted him to think about some consequences. When he was in his room I decided to use it as an illustration of how sin/disobedience creates separation.

So here is what I did. I explained to him how Adam and Eve's disobedience in the garden separated them from God and it caused them to be naked and alone when God threw them out of the garden because of their disobedience..... I let that sink in.

Then I explained to him that it was my job as his dad to tech him the importance of obedience to his earthly father as practice for obedience to his heavenly father...and I let that sink in.

Then I explained to him the cross and grace and what Jesus did to reconnect us with God. I then told him no more playstation for the night and I instructed him to write me a page of his perspective of what I just explained to him...here is what he wrote:

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This is all him and he nailed it I think. We are gonna put his little essay inside the empty licorice wrapping as a reminder of the importance of obedience.


 
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I loved that he was crying a little when he first started writing it. It really was apparent that he had a repentant heart. So proud of him for being repentant yet knowing that he is loved and secure.
 
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Fantastic parenting!!! :) You are blessed and so is he!
 
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Interesting. But, shouldn't you have told him the true reason Adam and Eve had to leave the garden? He's going to get enough mixed-up "explanations" in his life without you starting him out with mistakes he will later have to correct on his own.
 
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That is great !Your son is precious!
*** If it were me I would frame it and put it on his dresser! You can tell him you are proud of him for understanding and you want him to be reminded of his success! Besides, it will be something you can transfer to the "special moments box". Many years from now(Lord willing) you can look back at this and so can he! IDK,these kinda things are just great to save.

Looks to me that you are training your boy up right! God bless you!!
 
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Willie-T said:
Interesting. But, shouldn't you have told him the true reason Adam and Eve had to leave the garden? He's going to get enough mixed-up "explanations" in his life without you starting him out with mistakes he will later have to correct on his own.
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He is eight. Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden because they disobeyed God and that God cannot associate with sin. How is that explanation not what it says in Genesis?

Besides...when I told him to write the letter that I would not judge it. I kept my word and he did fantastic. Does God judge your relatively pathetic attempts at repentance?
 
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Willie-T said:
Interesting. But, shouldn't you have told him the true reason Adam and Eve had to leave the garden? He's going to get enough mixed-up "explanations" in his life without you starting him out with mistakes he will later have to correct on his own.
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Leave it to you to rain on his parade. smh....
 
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Leave it to you to rain on his parade. smh....
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I'm afraid we need our parades rained on sometimes if we are passing on stories to our kids that sound good, but do not reflect the Biblical truths.

Just as valid a lesson could have been taught by showing what Adam & Eve caused themselves to lose (Genesis 3:22-24) by not obeying.
 
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I'm afraid we need our parades rained on sometimes if we are passing on stories to our kids that sound good, but do not reflect the Biblical truths.

Just as valid a lesson could have been taught by showing what Adam & Eve caused themselves to lose (Genesis 3:22-24) by not obeying.
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Take your rain storm somewhere else Willie. I have a word for you right now that I won't use here.
 
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Sirk said:
He is eight. Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden because they disobeyed God and that God cannot associate with sin. How is that explanation not what it says in Genesis?

Besides...when I told him to write the letter that I would not judge it. I kept my word and he did fantastic. Does God judge your relatively pathetic attempts at repentance?
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I imagine you have already read my reply to BITH. But even in your post here, you are inadvertently perpetuating a falsehood that he will have to work his way through later in life. You know very well not to tell ANYONE that God cannot be around sin when sinners (mired in their sin) are exactly who He came to seek and save.
 
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Take your rain storm somewhere else Willie. I have a word for you right now that I won't use here.
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Kris,
You need to think more about what you may be planting in his mind..... rather than looking for a pat on the back for your parenting skills.
 
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I imagine you have already read my reply to BITH. But even in your post here, you are inadvertently perpetuating a falsehood that he will have to work his way through later in life. You know very well not to tell ANYONE that God cannot be around sin when sinners (mired in their sin) are exactly who He came to seek and save.
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Of course you can Willie. If people think they can have communion with God without Jesus... that is a falsehood. Jesus paid the penalty so we can be in communion with God. Not sure what doctrine you are perpetuating here but it ain't a biblical one.
 
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I'm afraid we need our parades rained on sometimes if we are passing on stories to our kids that sound good, but do not reflect the Biblical truths.

Just as valid a lesson could have been taught by showing what Adam & Eve caused themselves to lose (Genesis 3:22-24) by not obeying.
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Your pride is getting in the way of good judgement. This is about HIS SON and HIS PARENTING !! What part of that didnt you understand? If you take issue with his lesson to his son,you may have PM'd him or started a thread. You are out of line.
 
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Undoubtedly, you taught him something, but WHAT.

1..... A&D disobeyed, so they got kicked out of their home.

A child's understanding..... Dad kicks His kids out of the house if they disobey.

2....... God cannot be around sin.

He will grow up knowing, just like we do, that he sins. We all do. And he has been told that God will turn His back on him whenever he does something wrong.
 
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Besides...I am not gonna force my son to accept Jesus as his savior. He gets to do that all on his own. I am only going to model separation and reparation....which is exactly what God did.
 
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blondieindahouse said:
Your pride is getting in the way of good judgement. This is about HIS SON and HIS PARENTING !! What part of that didnt you understand? If you take issue with his lesson to his son,you may have PM'd him or started a thread. You are out of line.
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No, these things NEED to be talked out where all us parents can see..... not hidden, because someone might get their feelings hurt.
 
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Undoubtedly, you taught him something, but WHAT.

1..... A&D disobeyed, so they got kicked out of their home.

A child's understanding..... Dad kicks His kids out of the house if they disobey.

2....... God cannot be around sin.

He will grow up knowing, just like we do, that he sins. We all do. And he has been told that God will turn His back on him whenever he does something wrong.
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This is where you didn't decipher all of the information. I think you need to read the OP again and then read his note. What did the end of his note say willie?
 
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Kris,
You need to think more about what you may be planting in his mind..... rather than looking for a pat on the back for your parenting skills.
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Christmas is over so I guess it was time for you to go back to being your crass puffed up self
 
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blondieindahouse said:
Christmas is over so I guess it was time for you to go back to being your crass puffed up self
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Willie had an emotional response about halfway thru reading the OP and didn't decipher the whole thing.
 
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Well, take some time to be mad at me, that's fine. Lick your wounded pride if you need to, But DO think a lot about the things our kids hear us say.
 
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