still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?

[KennethC]

That's simply not true blue ... why do you guys want so bad to believe this stuff...I don't understand?

Which part are you saying isn't true, her first paragraph or what she said in the second ???

I can tell you that her first paragraph about the term "pull it" is true !!!

 

[blue_ladybug]

That's simply not true blue ... why do you guys want so bad to believe this stuff...I don't understand?

I didn't say I believe it, but the part about the security vans parked outside ALL NIGHT for 2 weeks prior, IS TRUE..

 

[KennethC]

Does it bother you that's a complete lie and that term has never been a term used in that industry ...watch the video Kenneth
unless all those demolition companies that deny that term are now all part of the conspiracy as well? ... lets move on to the next lie

I don't need to watch your video Mitspa as this was said by the man in charge, he used that term, and a number of demolition experts have stated that yes they use that term all the time.

No the one's you have found to try and support your view may not use that term, but it is used in the field by a number of demolition companies.

Since you love posting youtube video's over and over again after stating yourself they can not be trusted, the program I referred you to what placed on youtube as well.

It's called again "911: In Plane Site."

Watch it please and stop with this trying to make everybody out to be a liar............

By the way what is your opinion of the Bush family being in charge of the security company of the WTC at the time ???

You probably don't believe that either ???

 

[Kimber321]

But honestly. do any of the conspiracy theories really matter? At all? Because WE know exactly what is going to happen and we know that we win! We will NEVER have the truth from mankind, but we DO have the Lord's truth. Conspiracy ideations only seem to keep people bound up and freaked out as if discussing it can add one inch to our stature, which is not what the Lord tells us to do. He tells us to not worry and to keep looking up for our redemption draweth nigh. Love you all in Christ.

 

[KennethC]

But honestly. do any of the conspiracy theories really matter? At all? Because WE know exactly what is going to happen and we know that we win! We will NEVER have the truth from mankind, but we DO have the Lord's truth. Conspiracy ideations only seem to keep people bound up and freaked out as if discussing it can add one inch to our stature, which is not what the Lord tells us to do. He tells us to not worry and to keep looking up for our redemption draweth nigh. Love you all in Christ.

I am not freaked out nor do I believe all the conspiracy theories that are out there, but what I do do is test all things including what they say especially if things just don't seem right or add up.

We are called to do this in the Word of God, so therefore I do.......

I am not one also that believes in "that's just a coincidence" either especially when multiple things line up against it to make it just a mere coincidence.

Which is why I mentioned how the Bush family was in charge of the security company of the WTC at the time of 911, two Bushes in leadership positions in that company of the buildings that was hit and a Bush as president. To much to not be a coincidence.

Not to mention how Bush said not once, but twice, when he saw the first plane hit when there was no such footage at the time he made both statements. Slip up once I can excuse that, but twice no that can not be let off that easy !!!

 

[KennethC]

Here is another question that needs answers:

What was the cylindrical objects under the planes that hit the towers ???

It was played off as just being shadows, but multiple video experts looked over the video's and came back that they were not shadows. And no commercial airliner has anything that matches this object !!!

 

[blondieindahouse]

1. Be kinda hard to hide the amount of explosives that would be needed to bring down WTC 7, much moreso to actually smuggle them into the WTC 7 and properly set them up unnoticed to create such a demolition.

2. As for people trying to debunk Bin Laden's claims it is ridiculous. People that claim this are hedging their bets that the people are so ignorant that they won't go watch his tapes for themselves. I suppose it is effective seeing as according to youtube only a few thousand of us in the entire world have ever investigated Bin Laden at length. You can watch all his interviews and all his tapes right on youtube. Ain't no secret, therefore it is no conspiracy. Listen for yourself. Osama tells you pretty bluntly he did 9/11 and goes down to the details even. I recommend starting with the interview I posted on page 1, but there's many other videos or audios of Bin Laden that can be used to corroborate his involvement.

3. There's always loose ends, there is a way to figure out any conspiracy, theory, or conspiracy theory. To pull off an attack of the magnitude of 9/11 is gonna leave many trails to trace. All the roads lead back to an Islam-inspired attack masterminded or supported by Bin Laden or Saudi Arabia.

You seem t have it all figured out. People your age especially males always do!

 

[KennethC]

You seem t have it all figured out. People your age especially males always do!

I guess he missed the part where it was translated Bin Laden taking responsibility, they proved the translation on the video was a bad translation and that he actually didn't take credit for it !!!

 

[blondieindahouse]

I guess he missed the part where it was translated Bin Laden taking responsibility, they proved the translation on the video was a bad translation and that he actually didn't take credit for it !!!

No sense talking to people who know it all. The info is there when the ego deflates and one can see themselves to have an open mind and see more clearly.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I guess he missed the part where it was translated Bin Laden taking responsibility, they proved the translation on the video was a bad translation and that he actually didn't take credit for it !!!

That would mean they'd have to have mistranslated the entire video and all the subsequent videos afterwards. You can watch them for yourself. I highly recommend watching it for yourself.

EDIT: To note also, not all the videos are translated by US intelligence either considering most the interviews or videos were not done by western intelligence.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

You seem t have it all figured out. People your age especially males always do!

Lol if you say so it must be right, old women always have to be right.

 

[KennethC]

That would mean they'd have to have mistranslated the entire video and all the subsequent videos afterwards. You can watch them for yourself. I highly recommend watching it for yourself.

EDIT: To note also, not all the videos are translated by US intelligence either considering most the interviews or videos were not done by western intelligence.

I did watch the video where they claimed Bin Laden took credit, and the multiple people that retranslated the video to show it was badly translated. He never actually took credit for it, and in other video's he didn't take credit for it either but only gave praise to those that did !!!

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I did watch the video where they claimed Bin Laden took credit, and the multiple people that retranslated the video to show it was badly translated. He never actually took credit for it, and in other video's he didn't take credit for it either but only gave praise to those that did !!!

Is the video you say the same as the interview with Tayseer Allouni? (Posted on page 1). I've heard this argument before. I find it flimsy because Bin Laden's tapes have been around for a while and he is quite consistent in what he says. He claims it a lot in his videos and audios. He details why he did what he did and details what he hoped to achieve, right down to the financial estimates he hoped to incur. He even details why he picked the targets he picked, being for symbolic purposes. Bin Laden had the motives and the means also. It never ceases to amaze me how few people actually investigate Bin Laden, both 9/11 conspiracy theorists and debunkers alike.

 

[jaybird88]

Most physics is pure theory too. The burden of proof is actually on us to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 9/11 was not a US government plot. I believe it possible to prove that. Indeed from the investigations put out by government sources mind you, there is absolutely no hard evidence that the fires are what brought down WTC 7. Now as I mentioned I would see the fire as a contributing factors in a compendium of factors. Like I said though I'll elaborate some more later, lol don't want to interfere between your and Bushido's challenge too much. Best hint I can give ya is that you're on the right track though, just gotta go a little further with it.

i agree that most physics is based on theory. and these theories can be argued both ways. but here is a fact thats very difficult for the some to argue. with exception to the buildings at 911 which all fell due to fire, how many other commercial sky scrapers have fell due to fire? the answer is zero. they are gutted by the fire but they still stand.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

i agree that most physics is based on theory. and these theories can be argued both ways. but here is a fact thats very difficult for the some to argue. with exception to the buildings at 911 which all fell due to fire, how many other commercial sky scrapers have fell due to fire? the answer is zero. they are gutted by the fire but they still stand.

I agree, I believe the fires were a contributing factor, but would not be enough by itself to bring the towers or WTC 7 down in such a manner.

I'll elaborate a lil more on this tomorrow since Bushido's challenge still stands and Mitspa gets first dibs until dawn. To kinda show you where I'm going with it, the fires even in the NIST assessment would not have been hot enough to melt the beams, but would be enough to weaken them a bit. To investigate the collapse, and really anything, it's always prudent to start at the base.

 

[jaybird88]

More info on the free press and how its relevant to the subject.
Here is a pic from the St Louis post about 100 yrs back. Whats it gotta do with what we are talking about, it shows what the free press used to be compared to the very restricted press we have today. The cartoon shows how wall street tycoons make shady backdoor deals with folks such as carl marx. In those days a reporter could go out and investigate the truth about what goes on. It wasnt long after this cartoon that JP Morgan went out and bought newspapers from coast to coast, enough to control the majority of information the masses heard. He had all the editors fired and replaced with his own hand picked people.and after that we didnt see many cartoons showing corporate corruption and if you did there were tons of other news outlets, owned by morgan calling them lairs.
All the major news outlets with all the information we hear are still owned by the tycoons of industry. JP Morgan would become GE and they own NBC. Trace the others and you will find other corporate giants.
And this is why you will never see CNN, Fox, CSNBC and the like ever saying anything other than the official story they are instructed to give.

 

[Mitspa]

I didn't say I believe it, but the part about the security vans parked outside ALL NIGHT for 2 weeks prior, IS TRUE..

that's part of what im saying with conspiracy stuff ...folks throw one conspiracy lie out and see if it will stick and then when its proven false just throw another one out there....when do you guys admit that your wrong and apologize for telling others things that are not true ..don't it bother you that your telling things that are not true?

 

[Mitspa]

I don't need to watch your video Mitspa as this was said by the man in charge, he used that term, and a number of demolition experts have stated that yes they use that term all the time.

No the one's you have found to try and support your view may not use that term, but it is used in the field by a number of demolition companies.

Since you love posting youtube video's over and over again after stating yourself they can not be trusted, the program I referred you to what placed on youtube as well.

It's called again "911: In Plane Site."

Watch it please and stop with this trying to make everybody out to be a liar............

By the way what is your opinion of the Bush family being in charge of the security company of the WTC at the time ???

You probably don't believe that either ???

show one of your "experts" show some evidence instead of just making unfounded charges.

and again just go from one lie to another...when you get proven wrong..just throw out another conspiracy lie.

 

[kaylagrl]

Anyone else on this forum believe the USA ..with a government that wont even use the term "Islamic extremist" is going around attacking charity hospitals? Anyone?

Good point!

 

[kaylagrl]

He's right actually. That happened recently, only a few months ago. It was big news.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d13104-b50a-48ec-9eb9-92db8ee3a876_story.html

No,I meant on purpose,with evil intent. Like the US runs around looking for charity hospitals to bomb.