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Mitspa
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another lie exposed...
[video=youtube;sh8hErn2UZU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh8hErn2UZU[/video]
[video=youtube;sh8hErn2UZU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh8hErn2UZU[/video]
still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?
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well if you consider me old then 70 must be extra old? LOL
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Mitspa
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No the fact that its untrue and insane makes it false
the fact that everytime you check one of these stories about a great conspiracy ..you find out someone it telling a big fat lie...that's what makes it false 
Lol no, the beloved greyheads in their 70s are just older.
EDIT: Lol the spectrum goes like this. 0-12 = Kid, 13-19 = Teen, 20-30 = Young, 30-40 = Middle Age, Over 40 = OLD! Time between your First Death to The Resurrection = Ancient
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Do some research on it, Mitspa. What I said about the vans IS true.. Or if you think it's false, prove it to these guys.
Well I guess it's my turn now to tackle Bushido's two points. Lol you don't have to withdraw though. My conditions if I am victorious is simply that we turn the page and do a little analysis on Bin Laden and the foreign actors involved in the attack which is in my opinion one of the biggest factors in 9/11 research, and yet is easily the most overlooked.
Kinda surprised Mitspa didn't take the easy way out with the passport. Yea they found the passport, it's feasible, tons of papers and debris was found in the 9/11 wreckage. Though I guess that's just too easy, so let's get back to the collapse.
Here is a pretty interesting article I read from a college source.
The Collapse of Buildings
Now a lot of the writer's points are theory with the author implying he leans moreso towards the buildings being poorly designed, but I'd like to mostly just cite his main headings to springboard off of.
-Bad Design
-Faulty Construction
-Foundation Failure
-Extraordinary Loads
-Unexpected Failure Modes
-Combination of Causes
The article focuses more on Bad Design, I could agree to that in part, it makes rational sense into why they fell but seems to me not to fully explain why they fell as they did. For that though you can chop it up on the Combination of Causes, (ie: the impacts severed some cables, the foundation was weakened, the fires weakened the steel, and a chain reaction occurred.)
My interest in the collapse theories has been in the little talked about foundation. The foundation damage, like the fires might only be a contributing factor, but it can provide a reasonable explanation why the buildings fell straight downwards. Here is an article about the construction of the foundation of the WTC.
The World Trade Center Bathtub - HowStuffWorks
Here is a lengthier, but more interesting report by one the guys that helped originally construct part of the foundation and was part of the investigation into it after the demise of the WTC. It mostly focuses on the effort to clean up and rebuild the "bathtub" as it is called. Nevertheless it indicates indeed that the foundational structure suffered damage in the attack which does mean it's quite plausible that foundational failure played a role in the collapse of the WTC, maybe not as a primary role, but in combination with the other factors (the building design, the initial impact, the fires) it is a possible explanation as to why they fell as they did.
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~mitche...ts/Slurry walls at the world trade center.pdf
Kinda surprised Mitspa didn't take the easy way out with the passport. Yea they found the passport, it's feasible, tons of papers and debris was found in the 9/11 wreckage. Though I guess that's just too easy, so let's get back to the collapse.
Here is a pretty interesting article I read from a college source.
The Collapse of Buildings
Now a lot of the writer's points are theory with the author implying he leans moreso towards the buildings being poorly designed, but I'd like to mostly just cite his main headings to springboard off of.
-Bad Design
-Faulty Construction
-Foundation Failure
-Extraordinary Loads
-Unexpected Failure Modes
-Combination of Causes
The article focuses more on Bad Design, I could agree to that in part, it makes rational sense into why they fell but seems to me not to fully explain why they fell as they did. For that though you can chop it up on the Combination of Causes, (ie: the impacts severed some cables, the foundation was weakened, the fires weakened the steel, and a chain reaction occurred.)
My interest in the collapse theories has been in the little talked about foundation. The foundation damage, like the fires might only be a contributing factor, but it can provide a reasonable explanation why the buildings fell straight downwards. Here is an article about the construction of the foundation of the WTC.
The World Trade Center Bathtub - HowStuffWorks
Here is a lengthier, but more interesting report by one the guys that helped originally construct part of the foundation and was part of the investigation into it after the demise of the WTC. It mostly focuses on the effort to clean up and rebuild the "bathtub" as it is called. Nevertheless it indicates indeed that the foundational structure suffered damage in the attack which does mean it's quite plausible that foundational failure played a role in the collapse of the WTC, maybe not as a primary role, but in combination with the other factors (the building design, the initial impact, the fires) it is a possible explanation as to why they fell as they did.
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~mitche...ts/Slurry walls at the world trade center.pdf
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Well we're talking about a document that was actually on the plane. It would have been in the middle of the initial blast. apparently jet fuel can melt steel beams but not passports. Suicide bombers can't seem to put a dent on passports either (Paris), not even smudge the sheen haha.
Sometimes, I lie awake at night, worried about terrorists getting a hold of a passport machine and fashioning suits made out of passports.
I really like the poor design theory though! It would be the same reason(ish) that the Kader Toy Factory collapsed. I'd really like to hear what you have to say about Osama/other dastardly terrorists.
Lol a friend of mine had a passport, not sure if he still does or not, haven't seen him since summer. They are pretty hardy though. I get your point, one would think they'd be toast, but it's not inconceivable that the passport got flung from the building and buried or somehow survived the whole event. If the terrorist in question was at the front of the plane when it collided it's feasible his passport got flung far enough away from the fire, maybe even out of the building. All that is kinda speculative though, all we know for certainty is that they got that passport.
Lol indeed let us move on to the foreign implications of 9/11. I guess before we start going hardcore on this tangent, we should open up with our basic views, and I'm kinda curious given your position on 9/11 what your knowledge and views are thus far of Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.
My view is Bin Laden masterminded 9/11. He was head of Al Qaeda which is a hardcore Islamic faction. He comes from a wealthy and famous Saudi family and before 9/11 was seen as a war hero in that part of the world for his involvement in the war against the USSR. Bin Laden was also highly intelligent despite the obvious evil he caused. Thus Bin Laden had ample means to conduct the attacks and also to have hid for almost 11 years due to his connections and reputation in the Middle East.
My view of the Taliban is they also are a hardcore Islamic faction, but that they were more nationalistic and focused on Afghanistan and Pakistan whereas Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had a wider, more globalist type view.
As for Saudi Arabia I believe the Saudi involvement is the only real conspiracy theory left to 9/11 as it is well known the 28 pages that are to this day classified of the 9/11 Commission deal with Saudi Arabian involvement. My overall view of Saudi Arabia aside from the 9/11 stuff is that it is easily the most wicked nation/government on earth at the current time.
As for Pakistan I believe it clearly obvious that they were shielding Bin Laden for some years and that for him to have been found where he was and in the manner he was found that the Pakistani government had to have been involved. Though this becomes murky as the Pakistan government is in a state of semi-anarchy with various political and religious factions competing against each other within the Pakistani government.
Lol indeed let us move on to the foreign implications of 9/11. I guess before we start going hardcore on this tangent, we should open up with our basic views, and I'm kinda curious given your position on 9/11 what your knowledge and views are thus far of Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.
My view is Bin Laden masterminded 9/11. He was head of Al Qaeda which is a hardcore Islamic faction. He comes from a wealthy and famous Saudi family and before 9/11 was seen as a war hero in that part of the world for his involvement in the war against the USSR. Bin Laden was also highly intelligent despite the obvious evil he caused. Thus Bin Laden had ample means to conduct the attacks and also to have hid for almost 11 years due to his connections and reputation in the Middle East.
My view of the Taliban is they also are a hardcore Islamic faction, but that they were more nationalistic and focused on Afghanistan and Pakistan whereas Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had a wider, more globalist type view.
As for Saudi Arabia I believe the Saudi involvement is the only real conspiracy theory left to 9/11 as it is well known the 28 pages that are to this day classified of the 9/11 Commission deal with Saudi Arabian involvement. My overall view of Saudi Arabia aside from the 9/11 stuff is that it is easily the most wicked nation/government on earth at the current time.
As for Pakistan I believe it clearly obvious that they were shielding Bin Laden for some years and that for him to have been found where he was and in the manner he was found that the Pakistani government had to have been involved. Though this becomes murky as the Pakistan government is in a state of semi-anarchy with various political and religious factions competing against each other within the Pakistani government.
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Where does it end? I mean I can go and prove every conspiracy point wrong and none of you guys seem to care that your accusing folks of very evil things without taking the time to really question to truth of the issue before you repeat it to others?
When your accusing folks of doing evil..the burden is own you to prove it .... I say the van thing is just another false and made-up story by those who only seem to find purpose in this life by making up wild accusations against others.
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I'm not accusing anyone. I DO have proof--the security cameras at the WTC which caught these vans on tape. Then of course, as it always does, the footage "disappeared". Here is what this website says about it.
The Missing Security Tapes For The World Trade Center
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KennethC
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You really do make me laugh sometimes Mitspa !!!.................LOL
I watched this video and the person who made it gave no credible sources, and most of what they said was either far from what was actually said or had no backing. More opinions from a person who doesn't have facts.
He even said that he did not know for sure and said he had no way of proving if Wirt Walker 3 is a cousin of the Bushes, showing he has not done much research either. Maybe you should watch these video's before you post them if you want them to stand as credible sources.
The other thing he claims is that Bush left the company a full year before 911, that is false as he left the company as of February of 2001. Yet Walker their cousin was still the CEO at the time of the attacks.
This company was in charge of installing security camera's and other security equipment in those buildings, and even your youtube video admits that. The port authority was contracted to do the security at the WTC, big difference from being in charge of it.
Again watch and check your sources before posting a Youtube video, because Youtube is not a credible source and when the person in the video also does not give "ANY" sources really doesn't make it credible !!!
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Mitspa
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Of course its credible and im not sure why your so far behind on the latest conspiracy knowledge ..but the rest of the conspiracy bunch knows its true.
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Mitspa
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Blue thats a conspiracy site that makes all sorts of claims...if they have these secret tapes ..why do they not show them? Instead they claim some high level government official told them about these tapes..of course no names...no tapes..no way to check out what they are claiming ... I think I seen a article on that site that claims pot cures cancer ... is that true too?
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jaybird88
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the pic is pretty funny lol. i never believed the passport, is it possible, sure, likely, not really. we keep hearing everything was lost in the crash yet when things do pop up they are always muslin related, how convenient. there was also the turbin found but not sure if thats credible or not. there are way to many coincidences with the "official" story. coincidences always need to be tested.
lol
Mitspa isn't coming over to your side, so quit wasting your time.
I've seen this before..... good CC members going rogue..... usually never to return. This phenomenon repeats itself quite often.
Read future threads to see if this happens. I really hope I'm wrong.
I've seen this before..... good CC members going rogue..... usually never to return. This phenomenon repeats itself quite often.
Read future threads to see if this happens. I really hope I'm wrong.
So who is it that is going rogue? Which side are you referring to? Im just trying to be clear here with your understanding
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Mitspa
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Going rogue? I guess that means I don't believe in the million man conspiracy and cover-up? You guys ever think that maybe im a agent for the government and come on this site to help cover-up for their crimes?