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The new man in Christ....cannot sin...not even 1 time... until you get an understanding of the old man is dead and the new creation in Christ has come.....these verses below will not make any sense...
This is why that no believer can hate someone else...it is not our nature...
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
This is why that no believer can hate someone else...it is not our nature...
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
What the Gnostics believed was that matter was evil and spirit was good. Since matter was evil Christ could not have really been incarnate in a human body, that He only appeared to be in human form and only appeared to suffer. IOW they denied Jesus humanity and claimed that it was all an illusion. Which John refutes in 1 John. Ironically this led them to the conclusion that sin was also an illusion. I'm sure you can guess where that led them.
Your attempts to link Gnosticism to modern day grace believers is simply ridiculous. If anything we are the ones refuting Gnosticism by explaining to those such as yourself that it is Gnosticism that John is arguing against in 1 John.
Your attempts to link Gnosticism to modern day grace believers is simply ridiculous. If anything we are the ones refuting Gnosticism by explaining to those such as yourself that it is Gnosticism that John is arguing against in 1 John.
I would disagree on this point - there is nothing new under the sun - so old heresies are not new and they will show again and again through the ages- might have a few different bells and whistles - ultimately at it's core it's the same.
I would say the thought that we are now sinless could be the thread at the core of Gnostic heresy
I listened to Dr. Brown's agreement against the gnostic view put forth here. He said Gnosticism was just starting back then when John wrote his epistle and it became full blown by a 100 years later.
I reflected on that and all heresy has it's roots in truth. The apostles were preaching that our inner man..our new creation in Christ was circumcised from our flesh. Paul called it the circumcision of Christ..of the flesh and of the heart. Basically it's 2 sides of the same coin. This apparent" schism from the body gives rise to all sorts of thoughts and in the unregenerate man - strange stuff can come out of that.
It's kinda the same principal as people calling grace believers that we are saying it's ok to sin all we want. Paul was accused of the same thing. My point is we can always tell what is being preached by the opposition that comes against it
I reflected on that and all heresy has it's roots in truth. The apostles were preaching that our inner man..our new creation in Christ was circumcised from our flesh. Paul called it the circumcision of Christ..of the flesh and of the heart. Basically it's 2 sides of the same coin. This apparent" schism from the body gives rise to all sorts of thoughts and in the unregenerate man - strange stuff can come out of that.
It's kinda the same principal as people calling grace believers that we are saying it's ok to sin all we want. Paul was accused of the same thing. My point is we can always tell what is being preached by the opposition that comes against it
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What does the Apostles Paul, John, and James have in common in their teachings ???
They all teach believers how to know they have assurance we have eternal life abiding in us, and what do each of them use in showing this assurance???
They all speak on how the person acts and treats other people (a.k.a. how we walk in the faith), or in other words the actions and deeds we do show this assurance as proof that we are saved in Christ.
Walk in the light is another term that means the same as walk by the Spirit, you allow Him to guide your actions by following His teachings and adding His fruit to our lives.
Not one thing in the list of the fruit of the Holy Spirit will have one transgress................
Believers still sin but we sin because we get drawn away by our lusts as James clearly describes, we do not sin and walk in the Light at the same time.
Sin is bad fruit and a good tree can not bear bad fruit, Jesus is that tree and is the Light therefore sin does not exist in the Light. It can only exist if you are drawn away from the Light !!!
They all teach believers how to know they have assurance we have eternal life abiding in us, and what do each of them use in showing this assurance???
They all speak on how the person acts and treats other people (a.k.a. how we walk in the faith), or in other words the actions and deeds we do show this assurance as proof that we are saved in Christ.
Walk in the light is another term that means the same as walk by the Spirit, you allow Him to guide your actions by following His teachings and adding His fruit to our lives.
Not one thing in the list of the fruit of the Holy Spirit will have one transgress................
Believers still sin but we sin because we get drawn away by our lusts as James clearly describes, we do not sin and walk in the Light at the same time.
Sin is bad fruit and a good tree can not bear bad fruit, Jesus is that tree and is the Light therefore sin does not exist in the Light. It can only exist if you are drawn away from the Light !!!
At it's core my understanding is Gnostics believed they had "secret knowledge" that was different than Christ crucified. They believed they didn't sin - so they didn't need Christ. They believed that Christ wasn't in the flesh because it was evil. (Sound familiar?). Anyways, that's why John wrote what he did.
That's right...most of the "works based salvation " types are so sin conscious!..we need to be righteousness conscious!
Awake to righteousness and sin not! We have a new man in Christ who has been created in righteousness and holiness!
I think as long as we are in this body..we will always have the flesh to deal with and it's deceptive deceitfulness.....but we always overwhelmingly conquer in all things through Christ!
We have a great salvation in our loving Lord! Let's trust Him!
Awake to righteousness and sin not! We have a new man in Christ who has been created in righteousness and holiness!
I think as long as we are in this body..we will always have the flesh to deal with and it's deceptive deceitfulness.....but we always overwhelmingly conquer in all things through Christ!
We have a great salvation in our loving Lord! Let's trust Him!