Conservatives Take a Physical Stand Against Government

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I saw this on CNN also. According to their article Cliven Bundy's son Ammon Bundy is there too.

Armed protesters take over wildlife refuge building in Oregon - CNN.com

Very interesting case really maybe for our three way US ideological thread as it goes on several views. Is these recent farmer and lands rights activists and the cases around them and militias like the obvious hardcore far right in America by their own character and views, or are they the hardcore far left for rebelling against the State, or they actually straight kingly kings demanding the release of their comrade whom was kingly getting him some deer and trying to create a buffer zone against wildfire problems, which is indeed a common problem.

Though frankly I don't like the presence of the guns and fair to the protestors also, don't want the cops beating them or charging in there causing a wild west shoot out. Hope the immediate situation diffuse somewhat, let them put away the weapons of worldly metal and occupy the park for some time in peace and say their piece. Let this not turn into something violent.
 
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Our founding fathers never intended our citizens to fear the government but rather the government fear the citizens thus the 2nd Amendment. It's also noteworthy that our federal government owns more land now than ever before.

Dismantle this potential tyrant before it gets too big!
 
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dalconn said:
Our founding fathers never intended our citizens to fear the government but rather the government fear the citizens thus the 2nd Amendment. It's also noteworthy that our federal government owns more land now than ever before.

Dismantle this potential tyrant before it gets too big!
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They also wanted the Fed to really just be there for defence the states and to make sure the states don't violate the rights of the people. everything else was to be left up to the states. the USA, was really designed to be nothing more then a union of nations (states).
 
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It never ceases to amaze me the ridiculous abuse of governmental authority that leads to these types of reactions. When you dig around and find that the BLM has been harassing this family since the 70's in an attempt to gain their private property to add to the wildlife preserve using tactics that were outlawed in the late 1800's and early 1900's such as diverting naturally flowing water in an attempt to drive them off the land.


 
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I think the cause is very just, I just think the action is stupid and embarrassing. As a militia, they should know better than to bunker down in a death trap.

They armed themselves to the teeth and took a non-essential building, giving the government 4 options...

Option A: They can set the building on fire (unlikely though due to a lack of women and children in the building)

Option B: They can launch CS gas into the building and begin firing into it until a spark ignites, setting the building on fire (unlikely though due to lack of women and children in the building)

Option C: Route women and children into the building and watch as a fire mysteriously ignites (this would fix the problem of options A and B)

Option D: Place a few cops around the building with a couple of good books and card games, bring them cheeseburgers daily, and wait 2 weeks while blaring metallica's "St. Anger" album repeatedly over a loudspeaker. Wait till they starve or can't take the snare drum anymore. (unlikely though, as this would be the smartest thing to do and wouldn't require any death or force)
 
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What really chaffs my hide, aside from these previous comments, is the double jeopardy ramifications.
This guy and his son, have been already tried, convicted, sentenced, and DID THEIR TIME! But, THAT, was not a harsh enough punishment. So, today they're to surrender themselves up! Does this sound like "justice"?..........ya, me neither!!
 
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I was discussing this with a friend last night and he told me that under federal law anyone who forcefully occupies a government building can be charged with treason
 
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exactly, Oncefallen! There was a time when the railroad tycoons, in the name of progress, pushed through farming and grazing land, taking over people's properties, using fierce tactics. Most of the entire state of New Mexico was seized illegally by the existing government, pushing off and killing families that had existed there for centuries.
 
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The rest of the conservatives scrambled like babies.
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Well, we are to choose our battles, that wouldn't be mine either.
 
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dalconn said:
Our founding fathers never intended our citizens to fear the government but rather the government fear the citizens thus the 2nd Amendment. It's also noteworthy that our federal government owns more land now than ever before.

Dismantle this potential tyrant before it gets too big!
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Unfortunately, I think it is too late.
 
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What really chaffs my hide, aside from these previous comments, is the double jeopardy ramifications.
This guy and his son, have been already tried, convicted, sentenced, and DID THEIR TIME! But, THAT, was not a harsh enough punishment. So, today they're to surrender themselves up! Does this sound like "justice"?..........ya, me neither!!
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the Hammonds themselves (convicted arsonists) are willing to go and serve more time and do not protest it. they self-surrendered. they say that the protesters do not represent them.
there is a mandatory minimum of 5 years jailtime for arson on federal land. the judge only sentenced one to 3 months and the other to 1 month.
this isn't "injustice" -- except on the part of the activist judge. the Bundy's (who organized the takeover) were just looking for an excuse to take up arms against the government. IMHO the Bundys are treasonous.
 
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I was discussing this with a friend last night and he told me that under federal law anyone who forcefully occupies a government building can be charged with treason
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To understand the legal definition of Treason, read the Constitution.
 
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the Hammonds themselves (convicted arsonists) are willing to go and serve more time and do not protest it. they self-surrendered. they say that the protesters do not represent them.
there is a mandatory minimum of 5 years jailtime for arson on federal land. the judge only sentenced one to 3 months and the other to 1 month.
this isn't "injustice" -- except on the part of the activist judge. the Bundy's (who organized the takeover) were just looking for an excuse to take up arms against the government. IMHO the Bundys are treasonous.
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So were they making a camp fire on federal land or did they actually start a forest on fire?
 
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Bushido8000 said:
Just kidding,

Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters | OregonLive.com

a few members of a crazy militia group decided to occupy Malheur Wildlife Refuge headquarters.

The rest of the conservatives scrambled like babies.

Hope the building doesn't mysteriously catch fire.
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I'm surprised; I figured these guys would be your heroes since you're an anarchist. There's really no bigger way to give the finger to a tyrannical government than flexing the 2nd Amendment arm and telling the government to "come get some".
 
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I'm surprised; I figured these guys would be your heroes since you're an anarchist. There's really no bigger way to give the finger to a tyrannical government than flexing the 2nd Amendment arm and telling the government to "come get some".
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Oh don't get me wrong. I LOVE these guys haha. I just think it was a really dumb thing for them to do. If you're gonna claim to be a militia and do something to take a stand against the government, don't do something that will never make a difference. The actions of these men will be forgotten about in 2 weeks. Instead of occupying an area where they could easily split up and retreat if things got nasty, they occupied a giant casket.

Peaceful protests have never achieved a single thing in history. The government doesn't care if you're an angry conservative or liberal spamming facebook or standing outside of a federal building with a sign. The incredibly violent Black Lives Matter movement is making cops sweat as their incredibly corrupt tendencies (not just toward black people) are being brought to light. Cops are now starting to actually fear the people (thank goodness), and think before they needlessly shoot an unarmed suspect.


Not saying there should be violent protests, but if they aren't going to make a difference, they shouldn't be wasting the manpower imo.
 
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Bushido8000 said:
Oh don't get me wrong. I LOVE these guys haha. I just think it was a really dumb thing for them to do. If you're gonna claim to be a militia and do something to take a stand against the government, don't do something that will never make a difference. The actions of these men will be forgotten about in 2 weeks. Instead of occupying an area where they could easily split up and retreat if things got nasty, they occupied a giant casket.

Peaceful protests have never achieved a single thing in history. The government doesn't care if you're an angry conservative or liberal spamming facebook or standing outside of a federal building with a sign. The incredibly violent Black Lives Matter movement is making cops sweat as their incredibly corrupt tendencies (not just toward black people) are being brought to light. Cops are now starting to actually fear the people (thank goodness), and think before they needlessly shoot an unarmed suspect.


Not saying there should be violent protests, but if they aren't going to make a difference, they shouldn't be wasting the manpower imo.
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You make some excellent points, my friend. I like it.
 
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So were they making a camp fire on federal land or did they actually start a forest on fire?
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Farmers and ranchers routinely will do controlled burns on their own land to keep the land healthy. On one occasion the Hammonds did a controlled burn on their land that got out of control and burned onto federal land. If a controlled burn getting out of control deserves criminal charges, then every time the government does a controlled burn and private land is damaged then criminal charges should be filed against the fire boss.

On another occasion there was a wildfire on federal land that threatened to burn onto their property and destroy their winter feed. The Hammonds set a backfire (common wildfire containment tactic). IMO neither situation reaches the criteria for criminal arson charges being filed.
 
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