Vote on Obsession with confession(1st John 1:9,sin confession)

[Grace777x70]

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is already in us in our inner man..the new man in Christ which is in us. There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our spirit ) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

 

[fredoheaven]

Restore?
There Is now no condemnation to those In CHRIST.Be righteous conscious not sin conscious.

I'm talking about your relationship with GOD,But you should reconcile the relationship between you and your brother If you have offended him/her.

If you are reborn then GOD has forgiven you.

Hi,
This maybe of late response but this is what actually the verse is saying, the pretext and the post text or the context is all about fellowship. The theme of the I John is talking more of the fellowship rather than that of Paul from the standpoint or position of being a son. The epistle of John is written for the believer’s intimate nearness as one born of the Father. The epistle teaching believer that as a “little children” in the family of God is no exception in doing what is not he intends to do. A believer thus still may fall into some unrighteous deeds because of the “old man”, however, a believer sin is treated as a child’s offense against his Father and is dealt with the family matters.
Ephesians 4:22That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Colossians 3:9Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Through the Advocacy of Christ, the sinning believer is restored in the fellowship. What God requires is the believer is to recognized sin and confesses it. The idea of “confess” is that where the Holy Spirit points out sin in the life of believer and must immediately “agree with” Him. While the blood of Christ will cleanse us from every sin, it will not cleanse us of every excuse. As said, a believer has an Advocate but his goal in life is not merely confessing sin but ought to overcome sin in his life.
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

 

[Grace777x70]

Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake ( to come to one's senses ) to righteousness and sin not...1 Corth 15:34....when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

are being transformed = present tense- passive = being acted upon you from an outside force - you are not doing it ( the life of Christ flows out of our inner man and manifests in our outward behavior )


Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..

 

[Grace777x70]

On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures say..

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect = The perfect tense expresses perfective action. Perfective action involves a present state which has resulted from a past action. The present state is a continuing state; the past action is a completed action. It is continuously in the present

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...and look...that hyper-grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins


Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work


Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

 

[Euphemia]

No, the ones who say 1 John 1:9 is meant only for unbelievers have to prove that claim.

People who even know a little about the bible can tell you that 1 John is a letter to believers, and it is instructing us in keeping a clean slate before God, as sin in our lives that is not dealt with can become a hindrance to our walk and fellowship with the Father. It is for our good that we confess (acknowledge and agree with God about sin we commit). It isn't for salvation but for maintaining a clear and good, strong relationship with our Father and with each other.


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[seed_time_harvest]

People who even know a little about the bible can tell you that 1 John is a letter to believers, and it is instructing us in keeping a clean slate before God, as sin in our lives that is not dealt with can become a hindrance to our walk and fellowship with the Father. It is for our good that we confess (acknowledge and agree with God about sin we commit). It isn't for salvation but for maintaining a clear and good, strong relationship with our Father and with each other.


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Perhaps people can go to Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession) thread and go to post #1 and read that...if they want more understanding of 1 John 1:9 .

Grace 777x70 posted the location of the OP that we have been discussing.Take a look at It and see what you think about It.

 

[Euphemia]

Grace 777x70 posted the location of the OP that we have been discussing.Take a look at It and see what you think about It.

What about it?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

People who even know a little about the bible can tell you that 1 John is a letter to believers, and it is instructing us in keeping a clean slate before God, as sin in our lives that is not dealt with can become a hindrance to our walk and fellowship with the Father. It is for our good that we confess (acknowledge and agree with God about sin we commit). It isn't for salvation but for maintaining a clear and good, strong relationship with our Father and with each other.


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Here Is a snippet from the OP.


The purpose of the first chapter of 1 John was to compare the truth of God to the error of gnosticism. John was addressing the Gnostics, who were deceived by their own teaching. He wanted the Gnostics to understand that what they believed conflicted with what God said. He was not, however, addressing believers.

 

[Budman]

If all sins were forgiven, why is Jesus holding these against them?

But I hold against you because you have left your first love. Revelation 2:4

But I hold a few against you because you have there those who hold fast to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat food sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality. Revelation 2:14

But I hold against you because you tolerate the woman Jezebel, the one who calls herself a prophetess, and teaches and deceives my slaves to commit sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. Revelation 2:20​

Where, in any of those verses, does it speak in regard to salvation? I've written time and time again, that God will chasten His children as a means of correction, but never punishment. He desires we repent (change our minds) in regard to wrong behavior - but we are never condemned.

If it were possible, then Jesus lied when He promised that no believer will ever perish. (John 10:28)

Never, ever, ever.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The purpose of the first chapter of 1 John was to compare the truth of God to the error of gnosticism. John was addressing the Gnostics, who were deceived by their own teaching. He wanted the Gnostics to understand that what they believed conflicted with what God said. He was not, however, addressing believers.

This is why that whole argument falls flat on its face. John was addressing believers about the error of gnostic beliefs in 1 John 1, and he used the pronoun 'We' consistently to this effect. There is absolutely no reason to think that John would identify himself with the gnostics by writing 'We', or that he would write a letter to gnostic unbelievers at all.

The only reason this idea even exists is because it's the only way that new.modern.hyper grace teachers can make their lies sound convincing to gullible people so that they can peddle their wares (books, conference appearances, etc.). It's simply a desperate attempt to twist scripture. Too bad some foolish people fall for it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Where, in any of those verses, does it speak in regard to salvation? I've written time and time again, that God will chasten His children as a means of correction, but never punishment. He desires we repent (change our minds) in regard to wrong behavior - but we are never condemned.

If it were possible, then Jesus lied when He promised that no believer will ever perish. (John 10:28)

Never, ever, ever.

In the 3 verses I mentioned the promises are to overcomers, not those who fail to overcome sin. At least 2 of the promises pertain to eternal life.

The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers, I will grant to him to eat from the tree of life which is in the paradise of God.’ Revelation 2:7

The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will never be harmed by the second death.’ Revelation 2:11​

 

[Grace777x70]

How do we overcome? John gives us the answer:
“You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.” (1 Jn 4:4)

Overcoming is not about jumping through hoops and satisfying the expectations of men. It’s about depending on The Overcomer who lives in you.

“For everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.” (1 Jn 5:4-5)

Are you born of God? Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? If yes, then the Overcomer lives in you and you can’t help but be an overcomer.

That’s why Jesus told the disciples to be encouraged during times of tribulation; because he – not they – had overcome the world and because they would carry his overcoming Spirit within them.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

In the 3 verses I mentioned the promises are to overcomers, not those who fail to overcome sin. At least 2 of the promises pertain to eternal life.

The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers, I will grant to him to eat from the tree of life which is in the paradise of God.’ Revelation 2:7

The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will never be harmed by the second death.’ Revelation 2:11​

I made an error by listing verse 2:11. That promise pertains to a different church.

 

[Grace777x70]

“To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.” (Rev 3:21)

I’m going to give you two alternative interpretations for Revelations 3:21. One of them will make you feel like a loser, the other will inspire you to praise Jesus. One of them will get you to focus on your self and your efforts, while the other will prompt you to focus on Jesus and the finished work of the cross.
See if you can discern which of the following interpretations best captures the heart of the one who promised to share his throne with overcomers:

1. Only those who have victory in every area of their lives, who never stumble, who never put a foot wrong, who pass every single test and never sin – just like Jesus – will earn the right to sit on his throne.

2. As Christ is (he’s an overcomer), so are we in this world (which makes us overcomers too). Just as Christ is our righteousness, holiness and redemption, he is also our victory in all things. We have a right to the throne not because of victories we have won, but because of the glorious victory he has won. This right is based on God’s grace, not our efforts.

It is by grace we have been saved, by grace we have been raised up, and by the incomparable riches of his grace that God has seated us with himself in heavenly realms in Christ Jesus.

(I hope you picked #2. If not, go back to the top and start over.)

When Jesus tells the Laodiceans that only overcomers have a right to his throne, he is not threatening them or bringing them under condemnation. He is giving them a wonderful affirmation of their position in Christ.

Contrary to what you may have heard, he’s not trying to keep people out of his kingdom, he’s trying to get them to come in!

Yes, the Laodiceans needed to repent and exchange what they had (their nauseating self-righteousness) for what he freely offered (the white clothes of his righteousness). But if they did that, if they put their trust in him, then they would reign with him both in this life (Rms 5:17) and in eternity (2 Tim 2:12).


Now go find a mirror and tell yourself, I am an overcomer because Christ, the Overcomer, lives in me.

Then have a little conversation with all your problems and tell them about Jesus who is victorious in all things. When the enemy tries to knock you down by pointing out your shortcomings, remind yourself of your God-given right to sit with Christ on his heavenly throne and then plant your boot on the enemy’s lying head.

Because of what Jesus has done you have a divine right to rule and reign with him. True, you don’t deserve it. You never have and never will. And yet there you sit like a king, a joyful testimony of the incomparable riches of his grace!

Jesus is our victory!..as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord..so walk in Him.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

This is why that whole argument falls flat on its face. John was addressing believers about the error of gnostic beliefs in 1 John 1, and he used the pronoun 'We' consistently to this effect. There is absolutely no reason to think that John would identify himself with the gnostics by writing 'We', or that he would write a letter to gnostic unbelievers at all.

The only reason this idea even exists is because it's the only way that new.modern.hyper grace teachers can make their lies sound convincing to gullible people so that they can peddle their wares (books, conference appearances, etc.). It's simply a desperate attempt to twist scripture. Too bad some foolish people fall for it.

When he said "WE" he was talking to the gnostics but If you are not going to read the OP without bias,then I would say that explaining would be fruitless.

 

[PeterJens]

Are you born of God? Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? If yes, then the Overcomer lives in you and you can’t help but be an overcomer.

Your own logic betrays you. Many believe different things, but few walk in them.
You are here arguing with us about faith in Jesus and saying believing in Christ is enough, you automatically become an overcomer.

If that was so we would all be overcomers as soon as we were born again. You would never have struggled with legalism and an overbearing conscience etc. to be set free by your hyper-grace theology.

So you are forced to believe that you alone are truly "saved" as only then can you hold your position.

But you have already created a condition on faith or belief. It has to be just the right theology. And the second problem is you are not an overcomer else you would not have created such a theology which says it does not matter, do not look at it, because the sin is not there.

Now I am prepared to believe both you and I are saved, because we follow Jesus. It is up to Jesus to convict you and guide you in your walk, but some of that will be conviction of sin. Can you say the same thing I wonder?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is why that whole argument falls flat on its face. John was addressing believers about the error of gnostic beliefs in 1 John 1, and he used the pronoun 'We' consistently to this effect. There is absolutely no reason to think that John would identify himself with the gnostics by writing 'We', or that he would write a letter to gnostic unbelievers at all.

The only reason this idea even exists is because it's the only way that new.modern.hyper grace teachers can make their lies sound convincing to gullible people so that they can peddle their wares (books, conference appearances, etc.). It's simply a desperate attempt to twist scripture. Too bad some foolish people fall for it.

John makes clear that what he wrote in 1 John 1 was to those whom he called my little children, not my little gnostic unbelievers.

​My little children, I am writing these [things] to you in order that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous [one], 1 John 2:1​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When he said "WE" he was talking to the gnostics but If you are not going to read the OP without bias,then I would say that explaining would be fruitless.

You have absolutely no basis to make that claim. You're just repeating what you've read on websites or read in books. It is an idea unheard of until the new.modern.hyper grace teachers came up with it. It's ridiculous.

 

[PeterJens]

But how do you be perfect the way our father In heaven Is perfect?

Perfect put in isolation is meaningless. Perfection is subjective, depending on what your measure is and what your criteria of perfection is. God chose an altar built of stones not cut by man. Now to the Lord that was perfect, but to us we would say that is just a pile of stones.

Another way of thinking about this is the command not to murder/kill someone.
You kill in war, you kill in execution. So the context is killing someone without justice and legal justification.

Jesus said "Ask anything and I will do it." He did not mean ask anything without context, but within His will, not self serving, something that the brethren would agree with. Again Jesus talks about judgement, being able to see things properly, before you give a word of encouragement or rebuke. He says ask God, because He will give you the right wisdom to see and share. Many though extend this to everything and get disappointed when it fails.

Hyper-grace is naive and simplistic. Knowing someone and their desires and will effect what they will agree with etc.
It takes time to learn the nature of God, which is why we have the bible and all the dealings man has had with God over 1,000's of years. God is not going to change and we need to be very careful to understand and get things right. Why else do we have such a large book with a vast amount of people, words, experiences unless this is a lifetime walk.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

You have absolutely no basis to make that claim. You're just repeating what you've read on websites or read in books. It is an idea unheard of until the new.modern.hyper grace teachers came up with it. It's ridiculous.

Well are you saying John Is not telling the truth?
The reason I say that Is because I read what John said In scripture.