Is there a sabbath day for Christians?

[sparkman]

Keeping the Sabbath is a Commandment of Yehovah. The Sabbath is the 7th day (Saturday). The Sabbath=7th Day=Saturday is a holy convocation, it is sanctified and is unchanged through all generations. Yehovah "Hallowed" the seventh day. You can not find any scripture that the seventh day was UN-HALLOWED.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it, because that on it he rested from all his work which God had created in making it.



Lev_16:31 A sabbath of rest shall it be unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls: it is an everlasting statute.
Lev_23:3 Six days shall work be done; but on the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; no manner of work shall ye do: it is the sabbath to Jehovah in all your dwellings.

The same word "everlasting" in Hebrew is also used in reference to physical circumcision. So sharpen your knives, boys.

Standard disclaimer: These remarks are not criticizing Sabbath or Torah Observers who don't claim these observances are requirements or conditions or necessary fruits of salvation, and do not claim that non-observers are living in sin. You are free to do what you want per Romans 14.

See this thread:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/117464-sabbath-circumcision-comparison.html

 

[Brother_Don]

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1

 

[Brother_Don]

1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Titus 1

 

[Gigantor]

This seems to be a Doctrinal equivalent to a Hamster running a wheel. If you want a Jewish Sabbath have one. If you want a Sunday have one or both. I doubt you will be struck by lightening any time soon.

The Sabbath is a day of rest commanded by Yehovah and affirmed by Yashua and the Apostles.
The God of the old testament, Yehovah and is the same God of the new testament Yashua and follows that his commandments stand throughout time.
Referring to Yashua/Jesus>>>John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father (Yehovah), who has made us fit for sharing the portion of the saints in light,
Col 1:13 who has delivered us from the authority of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son (Yashua) of his love:
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins;
Col 1:15 who is image of the invisible God, firstborn of all creation;
Col 1:16 because by him (Yashua/Jesus) were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.
Of all the Ten Commandments, the fourth one, pertaining to theSabbath, is expounded in greater detail, utilizing more words and space (in theEnglish language), than any of the other commandments. The Second Commandment,which forbids idolatry, is almost as detailed. These two commandments are thevery ones that organized Christianity most blatantly violates. The RomanCatholics have claimed the authority to change the Sabbath to the first day ofthe week, while sanctioning idolatry in many forms. The Protestants haveblindly followed their lead on both of these issues. Yashua/Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath, as did the original apostles. The weeklyseventh-day Sabbath was commanded to be kept forever and will be kept by allhumanity in the coming Millennium.

xo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of Jehovah thy God: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy bondman, nor thy handmaid, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The sabbath was sanctified by Yehovah before there were any Jews or israelites. Some of the philosophers and theologians of the first century expressed their contempt for God’s Law, while proclaiming that the Sabbath commandment applied only to Jews and not to the rest of mankind. At the outset, Yehovah set apart the Sabbath as holy time for all mankind. The Jews—who were descendants of Judah, the son of Jacob—were not born until over 2,000 years later.


Gen 2: 1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day Yehovah ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And Yehovah blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Yehovah created and made.
Exodus 20:8>> The command to “remember” shows that the Sabbath had been knownby the patriarchs of Israel before the time the Ten Commandments weregiven. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jacob’s sons had already known about andobserved the Sabbath before this knowledge was lost by the followinggenerations while enslaved in Egypt. Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of Yehovah thy God: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy bondman, nor thy handmaid, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days Yehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore Yehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The Sabbath carries on to all in the new testament.
Heb 4:4 For he has said somewhere of the seventh day thus, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works:
Heb 4:5 and in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had brought them into rest, he would not have spoken afterwards about another day.
Heb 4:9 There remains then a sabbatism to the people of Yehovah/Yeshau.

The margin of the Oxford edition of the King James Version gives the correct meaning of the word translated “rest.” Translated from the Greek word Sabbatismos, it means “a keeping of a (the) Sabbath.” This verse, in its given context, should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of Yehovah.” Rather than being done away with, we find that the Sabbath still “remains.”
Yashua/Jesus kept the Sabbath>>
And he (Yashua) came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:31 and (Yashua) descended to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbaths.
Are Christians to follow Yashua's example>>>YES
1Pe 2:21 For to this have ye been called; for Christ also has suffered for you, leaving you a model that ye should follow in his steps:
Luke 23:56 And having returned they prepared aromatic spices and ointments, and remained quiet on the sabbath, according to the commandment.

Finally>
Mark 2:27 And he said to them, The sabbath was made on account of man, not man on account of the sabbath;
Mark 2:28 so that the Son of man (Yashua/Jesus Christ) is Lord of the Sabbath also.

 

[sparkman]

The Old Covenant is not in effect for New Covenant believers.

If you claim it is, then you've got a real problem because the only way it can be entered into is through physical circumcision, and Paul condemns circumcision for religious purposes in Galatians 5:1-4.

So, you can't even enter into the Old Covenant. In addition, the Old Covenant is not even applicable to Israelites. Romans 7:1-7 addresses this clearly. Christians are dead to the law...they are no longer married to it. They are married to Christ.

Those who try to live by the Old Covenant are spiritual adulterers and adulteresses.

By the way, the claim that the Roman Catholics changed the Sabbath is nonsense. All reputable historians know that the vast majority of Christians were meeting on Sunday and not meeting on Saturday by AD 150. The revisionist history of the typical Sabbath keepers is simply bogus. The Roman Catholic church didn't exist as we know it until 600 AD or later. Until then, it was only one bishopric of several.

I was an Armstrongite for 10 years. I swallowed this sort of revisionist history and indoctrine wholeheartedly. It's nonsense and falls apart when examined critically.

Colossians 2:16-17 clearly refutes the Sabbath/festival keepers' assertions. Compare these verses with Hebrews 10:1-2 and Hebrews 9:9-11. It is clear that the Sabbath and festivals are identified with other things that are no longer relevant, including New Moons and food and drink offerings. The language of "shadows" should tell you that...they were shadows that pointed to the reality, which is Christ. Christ is our spiritual rest (Matthew 11:28-30).

The same word for "forever" in reference to the Sabbath, olah, is used in relation to physical circumcision, so if you consistently apply your logic, you must also state that physical circumcision is required forever, which is counter to the clear teachings of Paul.

See this comparison:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/117464-sabbath-circumcision-comparison.html

While Torah observers look upon other Christians with contempt, claiming they are ignorant, the Torah observers are often the ignorant ones themselves. They strap Hebrew words to their tongues like phylacteries and try to intimidate non-observers, treating them as inferior. However, their reasoning concerning these issues is flawed. Some of us former Sabbath/festival observers know their mentality, as we have been delivered from it ourselves, and are not intimidated.

Regarding Hebrews 4:9, this is talking about the rest of faith that we have through Jesus Christ:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/115326-hebrews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus.html

Regarding Millennial observances of the Sabbath and festivals, if you claim they are required today based on such reasoning, you must also observe animal sacrifices as the prophets spoke of animal sacrifices being observed in the Millennium too. So, your reasoning is inconsistent.

The Sabbath is a day of rest commanded by Yehovah and affirmed by Yashua and the Apostles.
The God of the old testament, Yehovah and is the same God of the new testament Yashua and follows that his commandments stand throughout time.
Referring to Yashua/Jesus>>>John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father (Yehovah), who has made us fit for sharing the portion of the saints in light,
Col 1:13 who has delivered us from the authority of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son (Yashua) of his love:
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins;
Col 1:15 who is image of the invisible God, firstborn of all creation;
Col 1:16 because by him (Yashua/Jesus) were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.
Of all the Ten Commandments, the fourth one, pertaining to theSabbath, is expounded in greater detail, utilizing more words and space (in theEnglish language), than any of the other commandments. The Second Commandment,which forbids idolatry, is almost as detailed. These two commandments are thevery ones that organized Christianity most blatantly violates. The RomanCatholics have claimed the authority to change the Sabbath to the first day ofthe week, while sanctioning idolatry in many forms. The Protestants haveblindly followed their lead on both of these issues. Yashua/Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath, as did the original apostles. The weeklyseventh-day Sabbath was commanded to be kept forever and will be kept by allhumanity in the coming Millennium.

xo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of Jehovah thy God: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy bondman, nor thy handmaid, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The sabbath was sanctified by Yehovah before there were any Jews or israelites. Some of the philosophers and theologians of the first century expressed their contempt for God’s Law, while proclaiming that the Sabbath commandment applied only to Jews and not to the rest of mankind. At the outset, Yehovah set apart the Sabbath as holy time for all mankind. The Jews—who were descendants of Judah, the son of Jacob—were not born until over 2,000 years later.


Gen 2: 1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day Yehovah ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And Yehovah blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Yehovah created and made.
Exodus 20:8>> The command to “remember” shows that the Sabbath had been knownby the patriarchs of Israelbefore the time the Ten Commandments weregiven. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jacob’s sons had already known about andobserved the Sabbath before this knowledge was lost by the followinggenerations while enslaved in Egypt. Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of Yehovah thy God: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy bondman, nor thy handmaid, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days Yehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore Yehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The Sabbath carries on to all in the new testament.
Heb 4:4 For he has said somewhere of the seventh day thus, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works:
Heb 4:5 and in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had brought them into rest, he would not have spoken afterwards about another day.
Heb 4:9 There remains then a sabbatism to the people of Yehovah/Yeshau.

The margin of the Oxford edition of the King James Version gives the correct meaning of the word translated “rest.” Translated from the Greek word Sabbatismos, it means “a keeping of a (the) Sabbath.” This verse, in its given context, should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of Yehovah.” Rather than being done away with, we find that the Sabbath still “remains.”
Yashua/Jesus kept the Sabbath>>
And he (Yashua) came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:31 and (Yashua) descended to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbaths.
Are Christians to follow Yashua's example>>>YES
1Pe 2:21 For to this have ye been called; for Christ also has suffered for you, leaving you a model that ye should follow in his steps:
Luke 23:56 And having returned they prepared aromatic spices and ointments, and remained quiet on the sabbath, according to the commandment.

Finally>
Mark 2:27 And he said to them, The sabbath was made on account of man, not man on account of the sabbath;
Mark 2:28 so that the Son of man (Yashua/Jesus Christ) is Lord of the Sabbath also.

 

[sparkman]

With regards to the claim that the Sabbath was observed before Moses, there is no record of any human being observing the Sabbath prior to Exodus 16. By the way, God marched the Israelites for 5 weeks before he gave them the Sabbath, so he caused them to sin if the Sabbath is a moral law.

It is not a moral law; it is a ceremonial or ritualistic law, and was a sign of the Old Covenant. Christians are not under the Old Covenant.

Regarding Millennial references to the Sabbath, if you are consistent, you must also make animal sacrifices as Ezekiel prophesied animal sacrifices in the Millennium too:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...eeping-references-old-testament-prophets.html

Regarding the women who observed the Sabbath after Christ's crucifixion, this proves nothing as they didn't even know that the Law of Moses and physical circumcision wasn't required until the conference at Acts 15. This occurred about AD50, 17 years after Christ's crucifixion. Some Jewish Christians continued to observe elements of the Old Covenant, even physical circumcision, after this council. This is recorded in Acts 21. They were observing these things as part of their cultural identity.

I will give you one more item: my exegesis of Matthew 5:17-19. It proves that either all of the Old Covenant is applicable, including animal sacrifices and physical circumcision, or none of it is applicable:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...servers-nightmare-rather-than-proof-text.html

"Torah observers" don't follow the whole Old Covenant anyways...for example, they don't throw their wives and daughters out of the house during their menstrual period, and they don't throw away all furniture that they came into contact with while menstruating. They only pick certain elements of the Old Covenant that they claim they are keeping, and then try to judge others for non-observance of their list. Their reasoning is inconsistent.

Their entire system falls apart upon critical examination.

The Sabbath is a day of rest commanded by Yehovah and affirmed by Yashua and the Apostles.
The God of the old testament, Yehovah and is the same God of the new testament Yashua and follows that his commandments stand throughout time.
Referring to Yashua/Jesus>>>John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father (Yehovah), who has made us fit for sharing the portion of the saints in light,
Col 1:13 who has delivered us from the authority of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son (Yashua) of his love:
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins;
Col 1:15 who is image of the invisible God, firstborn of all creation;
Col 1:16 because by him (Yashua/Jesus) were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.
Of all the Ten Commandments, the fourth one, pertaining to theSabbath, is expounded in greater detail, utilizing more words and space (in theEnglish language), than any of the other commandments. The Second Commandment,which forbids idolatry, is almost as detailed. These two commandments are thevery ones that organized Christianity most blatantly violates. The RomanCatholics have claimed the authority to change the Sabbath to the first day ofthe week, while sanctioning idolatry in many forms. The Protestants haveblindly followed their lead on both of these issues. Yashua/Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath, as did the original apostles. The weeklyseventh-day Sabbath was commanded to be kept forever and will be kept by allhumanity in the coming Millennium.

xo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of Jehovah thy God: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy bondman, nor thy handmaid, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The sabbath was sanctified by Yehovah before there were any Jews or israelites. Some of the philosophers and theologians of the first century expressed their contempt for God’s Law, while proclaiming that the Sabbath commandment applied only to Jews and not to the rest of mankind. At the outset, Yehovah set apart the Sabbath as holy time for all mankind. The Jews—who were descendants of Judah, the son of Jacob—were not born until over 2,000 years later.


Gen 2: 1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day Yehovah ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And Yehovah blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Yehovah created and made.
Exodus 20:8>> The command to “remember” shows that the Sabbath had been knownby the patriarchs of Israelbefore the time the Ten Commandments weregiven. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jacob’s sons had already known about andobserved the Sabbath before this knowledge was lost by the followinggenerations while enslaved in Egypt. Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of Yehovah thy God: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy bondman, nor thy handmaid, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days Yehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore Yehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The Sabbath carries on to all in the new testament.
Heb 4:4 For he has said somewhere of the seventh day thus, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works:
Heb 4:5 and in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had brought them into rest, he would not have spoken afterwards about another day.
Heb 4:9 There remains then a sabbatism to the people of Yehovah/Yeshau.

The margin of the Oxford edition of the King James Version gives the correct meaning of the word translated “rest.” Translated from the Greek word Sabbatismos, it means “a keeping of a (the) Sabbath.” This verse, in its given context, should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of Yehovah.” Rather than being done away with, we find that the Sabbath still “remains.”
Yashua/Jesus kept the Sabbath>>
And he (Yashua) came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:31 and (Yashua) descended to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbaths.
Are Christians to follow Yashua's example>>>YES
1Pe 2:21 For to this have ye been called; for Christ also has suffered for you, leaving you a model that ye should follow in his steps:
Luke 23:56 And having returned they prepared aromatic spices and ointments, and remained quiet on the sabbath, according to the commandment.

Finally>
Mark 2:27 And he said to them, The sabbath was made on account of man, not man on account of the sabbath;
Mark 2:28 so that the Son of man (Yashua/Jesus Christ) is Lord of the Sabbath also.

 

[Gigantor]

The Sabbath is not just for the Jews.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the alien, that join themselves to Yehovah, to minister unto him and to love the name of Yehovah, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast to my covenant;
Isa 56:7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt-offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar: for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.

Thus says Yashua "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven,

 

[sparkman]

The Sabbath is not just for the Jews.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the alien, that join themselves to Yehovah, to minister unto him and to love the name of Yehovah, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast to my covenant;
Isa 56:7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt-offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar: for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.

Thus says Yashua "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven,

I already covered Matthew 5:17-19 in another thread. Either all has been fulfilled, and none of the Torah applies, or all has not been fulfilled, and all of the Torah applies.

Since we know that physical circumcision and animal sacrifices don't apply to New Covenant Christians, then we know all has been fulfilled, and the Torah does not apply.

In addition, "Torah observers" don't observe all the Torah anyways. They don't throw their wives and daughters out of the house during their menstrual periods, and they don't throw away the furniture a menstruous woman sat upon as unclean.

The Torah has spiritual and moral principles that a Spirit-led Christian can gain direction from. The specific applications given to the children of Israel do not apply, though. In addition, many things are types and shadows, like the Sabbath, holy days, and clean/unclean meats (Colossians 2:16-17, Mark 7, Romans 14). Types and shadows cease to have much of their significance after the Reality has come, which was Jesus Christ, as Colossians 2:17 says. See also Matthew 11:28-30 in regards to identifying the Sabbath with Christ and the spiritual rest we have in Him.

Regarding your remarks about Isaiah, he was addressing Israelites under the Old Covenant. The sign of the Old Covenant was Sabbath keeping and physical circumcision. In addition, foreigners could become part of Israel through circumcision. We are not under the Old Covenant. We can't even enter into the Old Covenant, as the entry requires physical circumcision, and Paul said that to become physically circumcised for religious purposes is to cut one's self off from grace (Galatians 5:1-4). Therefore, no one can enter into the Old Covenant anyways.

In addition, many of the references in the prophets relate to the Millennial reign of Christ, and some of the things mention include animal sacrifices that will be offered in the Millennium. No Christian in their right mind offers animal sacrifices today.

Read Romans 7:1-7. It plainly says that the redeemed have died to the Law, and those that claim the Old Covenant applies are spiritual adulterers and adulteresses. Read Galatians 3 which states that the Law was to lead the Jews to Christ, and is not applicable anymore. Once faith has come there is no need for this schoolmaster. Gentiles went directly to the New Covenant they did not observe the Old Covenant. Also, read II Corinthians 3 and Acts 15.

I'd suggest that you find some better sources of information rather than Judaizers. I spent 10 years amongst them and their logic is futile and full of holes.

 

[Kaycie]

Things were done physically in the Old Testament, but are now done spiritually in the New Testament. They rested physically, we rest spiritually in the Lord. We find peace in our souls, a peace that is hard for worldly people to understand. Heaven is our sabbath rest, but when we rest in the Lord, it's like we have a little bit of heaven on earth.

The Saturday Sabbath is not transferred to Sunday, Sunday is a whole other celebration, and yes, it is what we observe in New Testament times. The last day of the week commemorates a finished creation. The first day of the week commemorates a finished redemption. What's more important- a physical life or a spiritual life? We have new life in Christ that will never end. We won't grow old, we won't hunger, we won't thirst, we won't feel pain. It is great that God gave us physical life, but it is far greater that He gave us spiritual life.

We are no longer under Moses and the Old Testament laws, including keeping the sabbath. We are under Christ and the new covenant. To follow both covenants would be to commit spiritual adultery. Read Romans 7:1-4.

We are no longer under the Saturday observance of rest, but we are under the Sunday observance of the Lord's day- when we observe that Christ died on the cross by partaking of His body and His blood every first day of the week in the assembly of the saints (Christians).

 

[Gigantor]

Sabbath

Kaycie: You recall (John 8:1-11) that a crowd brought an adulterous woman before Yashua/Jesus and asked what should be done to her. The punishment was stoning to death and the crowd wanted to see what Yashua would instruct. Yashua did not answer right away but started drawing in the sand where he sat. The crowd conveniently left out the fact that both the man and the woman were to be stoned to death but only the woman was brought before Yashua. Then after Yashua said " let he who is without sin cast the first stone" the crowd faded away until only he and the woman were left. Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”11 “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”
In this event we have a woman who had broken one of the 10 commandments and was under penalty of death but Yashua did two things
1. Yashua did not condemn her which demonstrated "Grace" and # 2. "Go and sin no more" which demonstrated she was placed under the Law of the Commandments. The Sabbath is also the law and authority of Yehovah/Yashua. So Grace and the Law work together and are not mutually exclusive to one another. I hope you will research who changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day.

Things were done physically in the Old Testament, but are now done spiritually in the New Testament. They rested physically, we rest spiritually in the Lord. We find peace in our souls, a peace that is hard for worldly people to understand. Heaven is our sabbath rest, but when we rest in the Lord, it's like we have a little bit of heaven on earth.

The Saturday Sabbath is not transferred to Sunday, Sunday is a whole other celebration, and yes, it is what we observe in New Testament times. The last day of the week commemorates a finished creation. The first day of the week commemorates a finished redemption. What's more important- a physical life or a spiritual life? We have new life in Christ that will never end. We won't grow old, we won't hunger, we won't thirst, we won't feel pain. It is great that God gave us physical life, but it is far greater that He gave us spiritual life.

We are no longer under Moses and the Old Testament laws, including keeping the sabbath. We are under Christ and the new covenant. To follow both covenants would be to commit spiritual adultery. Read Romans 7:1-4.

We are no longer under the Saturday observance of rest, but we are under the Sunday observance of the Lord's day- when we observe that Christ died on the cross by partaking of His body and His blood every first day of the week in the assembly of the saints (Christians).

 

[sparkman]

Re: Sabbath

Kaycie: You recall (John 8:1-11) that a crowd brought an adulterous woman before Yashua/Jesus and asked what should be done to her. The punishment was stoning to death and the crowd wanted to see what Yashua would instruct. Yashua did not answer right away but started drawing in the sand where he sat. The crowd conveniently left out the fact that both the man and the woman were to be stoned to death but only the woman was brought before Yashua. Then after Yashua said " let he who is without sin cast the first stone" the crowd faded away until only he and the woman were left. Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”11“No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”
In this event we have a woman who had broken one of the 10 commandments and was under penalty of death but Yashua did two things
1. Yashua did not condemn her which demonstrated "Grace" and # 2. "Go and sin no more" which demonstrated she was placed under the Law of the Commandments. The Sabbath is also the law and authority of Yehovah/Yashua. So Grace and the Law work together and are not mutually exclusive to one another. I hope you will research who changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day.

I hope she does, too. No one changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The Sabbath was abolished at the Cross.

Read Colossians 2:16-17, along with Hebrews 10:1-2 and Hebrews 9:9-11.

By the way, the notion that the Sabbath was changed by the Roman Catholics is only one that is believed by Roman Catholics and Sabbathkeepers.

This is part of the propaganda that Sabbathkeepers keep repeating to themselves and others to make their assertions. Constantine and the Roman Catholic church didn't change the Sabbath, whether they claimed to or not. As Samuele Bacchiocchi, himself a SDA, found during his research, the vast majority of Christians were meeting on Sunday and not on Saturday by AD 150. An exception were the Ebionites, who were heretical and denied the full deity of Jesus Christ, and shouldn't be considered Christian.

The truth is that the Church was meeting on Sunday, very early, to discuss the Scriptures from a Christian perspective and to take communion. Some of them were attending synagogue on Saturday, to hear the Scripture read, because access to Scripture was limited.

Again, there are multiple Scriptures which state that the Old Covenant is done away with. II Corinthians 3, Hebrews 8 and 9, Romans 7:1-7, and Acts 15. Colossians 2:16-17 addresses the issue of Sabbath and Holy Days. Compare these Scriptures with Hebrews 10:1-2 and Hebrews 9:9-11.

Ask yourself why Sabbath-breaking and eating unclean meats is never mentioned on the sin lists of the Gentiles. Other obvious and less obvious sins are mentioned; why not either of those if they were part of the expectations? Why does John call the festivals "Feasts of the Jews" if they apply to everyone?

These are the questions I had to ask myself as an ex Sabbath/festival keeper.

I suggest to Kaycie that she research the history, too if it's a question with her. Don't google and use Sabbatarian propaganda, though. They are largely a bunch of conspiracy theorists who distort reality due to their world view.



Part of my de-programming from being a Judaizer to being a Jesus-focused Christian involved the realization of the false version of Christianity I was taught as a Judaizer.

 

[prove-all]

Re: Sabbath

Part of my de-programming from being a Judaizer to being a Jesus-focused Christian involved the realization of the false version of Christianity I was taught as a Judaizer.

yes a focus on what Jesus said and did, he lead by example therefore.



For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Therefore [let us keep the feast],


do you really do what Jesus commanded about his atoning sacrifice?
or do you just like to talk bad about those who love and listen to him.

 

[Gigantor]

Re: Sabbath

yes a focus on what Jesus said and did, he lead by example therefore.



For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Therefore [let us keep the feast],


do you really do what Jesus commanded about his atoning sacrifice?
or do you just like to talk bad about those who love and listen to him.

Are you saying that reading and researching Yehovah's word, using scripture for thesis, and following what Yashua commanded regarding his sanctified day (Sabbath) is talking Bad? A similar response could be had from Obadiah.[h=3]Elijah on Mount Carmel[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. [SUP]17 [/SUP]When he saw Elijah, he said to him, “Is that you, you troubler of Israel?”

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“I have not made trouble for Israel,” Elijah replied. “But you and your father’s family have. You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baals.

 

[sparkman]

Re: Sabbath

Are you saying that reading and researching Yehovah's word, using scripture for thesis, and following what Yashua commanded regarding his sanctified day (Sabbath) is talking Bad? A similar response could be had from Obadiah.Elijah on Mount Carmel

[SUP]16 [/SUP]So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. [SUP]17 [/SUP]When he saw Elijah, he said to him, “Is that you, you troubler of Israel?”

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“I have not made trouble for Israel,” Elijah replied. “But you and your father’s family have. You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baals.

Accusing others of being pagans is one of the slanders of Judaizers.

We worship the unique God-man, Jesus Christ, who was crucified, died and rose on the FIRST DAY of the week.

By the way, if the Sabbath was still special after the temple veil was ripped, why isn't Sabbath-breaking mentioned on any of the sin lists of the Gentiles? Neither is eating "unclean meats".

And, why did Christ appear twice on the first day of the week, but no times on the Sabbath? If the Sabbath was special, one would expect his appearances to be on the Sabbath to make the point.

And..why does Colossians 2:16-17 call the Sabbath and festivals "shadows", implying relative insignificance to the Reality, which is Christ? Compare with Hebrews 10:1-2 where the ceremonial and ritualistic law is called a "shadow of things to come".

As we all know, the ceremonial and ritualistic system is done away with.

This is all pretty funny..you keep repeating your assertions but ignore the questions.

 

[sparkman]

Re: Sabbath

Are you saying that reading and researching Yehovah's word, using scripture for thesis, and following what Yashua commanded regarding his sanctified day (Sabbath) is talking Bad? A similar response could be had from Obadiah.Elijah on Mount Carmel

[SUP]16 [/SUP]So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. [SUP]17 [/SUP]When he saw Elijah, he said to him, “Is that you, you troubler of Israel?”

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“I have not made trouble for Israel,” Elijah replied. “But you and your father’s family have. You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baals.

By the way, I have one clear question. Are you claiming that observing the Sabbath is a requirement for salvation?

 

[Euphemia]

Jesus is our Sabbath.

 

[prove-all]

Re: Sabbath

Are you saying that reading and researching Yehovah's word, using scripture for thesis, and following what Yashua commanded regarding his sanctified day (Sabbath) is talking Bad?

no that is not what was said i believe


the Sabbath is Holy and has been from creation.


sparkman said he honored Christ, but I guess he does not.


the new testement command says to [let us keep the feast],of unleavened bread.

and easter sunrise service is not commanded, a mans tradation.

 

[prove-all]

Re: Sabbath

And..why does Colossians 2:16-17 call the Sabbath and festivals "shadows", implying relative insignificance to the Reality, which is Christ? Compare with Hebrews 10:1-2 where the ceremonial and ritualistic law is called a "shadow of things to come".

.

your theory is lost by the phrase about sabbaths relate to[things to come] not past tence

 

[Euphemia]

Re: Sabbath

the new testement command says to [let us keep the feast],of unleavened bread.

Where is that command for Christians--Gentile Christians?


Nowhere.


.

 

[prove-all]

Re: Sabbath

Where is that command for Christians--Gentile Christians?


Nowhere.


.

you might want to go back and reread the new testement again