Vote on Obsession with confession(1st John 1:9,sin confession)
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oh brother.....Lol...no I do not get any "material" benefit from sharing the grace of Christ to people....the website answers a lot of questions in a real and truthful way...which is why I use it a lot.....but I do receive benefit from seeing the joy in their lives when they are set free from religious traditions and yokes.
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FreeNChrist
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..I know....he will just go in circles constantly deflecting from one thing to another.....he needs to.....
Mark 1:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
Mark 1:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
You avoided answering my question again.
Do you receive some form of material benefit from directing traffic to that website that you constantly link to? Please answer yes or no.
OK, well that means that there is no proof, or you don't know what ad hominem means.
oh brother.....Lol...no I do not get any "material" benefit from sharing the grace of Christ to people....the website answers a lot of questions in a real and truthful way...which is why I use it a lot.....but I do receive benefit from seeing the joy in their lives when they are set free from religious traditions and yokes.
What part of "no" do you not understand... here is an English definition of the complicated word called " no".. ( see FreeNChrist how he constantly deflects? )
determiner
determiner: no
What part of "no" do you not understand... here is an English definition of the complicated word called " no".. ( see FreeNChrist how he constantly deflects? )
determiner
determiner: no
- not any.
"there is no excuse"
- not any.
- 2.
used to indicate that something is quite the opposite of what is being specified.
"it was no easy task persuading her"
adverb
adverb: no - not at all; to no extent.
"they were no more able to perform the task than I was"
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FreeNChrist
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This is just getting stupid....I'm out of this craziness...
Proverbs 26:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him.
Proverbs 26:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him.
You avoided answering my question again.
Do you receive some form of material benefit from directing traffic to that website that you constantly link to?
Don't frame your answer in words that can mean something else.
Just answer yes or no.
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FreeNChrist
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But there is no attempt to attack your character at all. Naw, none at all......
NayborBear
Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
I voted "other".
It has been in my experiences (and, still is, for that matter...work, in progress, yanno...
), that: "Comes (goes) unto the Father", as Jesus declared, can have a 2-fold meaning.
1) When Praying, To the Father, I always finish: "In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Mesheac, I ask/pray/praise YOU (meaning, the Father), Amen (meaning, "that's IT"/ finished/completed/done, and not meaning "I agree" "Yer correct")
2) In the course of maturing in the Spirit, or when one "picks up one's cross", and follows through Christ unto the Father (namely, after the Son confesses one to the Father, as one confesses Christ, before men, which happens, either unknowingly, er knowingly, especially here, in cyberville); (gonna go into a sorta dialogue here), Is like, in the book of Job, where God proudly exclaimed unto satan: "Whatta ya think of my main man Job here?" (This is how it goes when one is confessed before the Father........Only, now, it's like, a role reversal), And, here, it becomes very personal, (like, "in the closet" personal).
a) So, off ya go into 1 (or more, if ya thinks yerself strong enough to "multi-task") of those rooms/mansions, that Jesus has prepared for us, in His Fathers' house, to be "eximined" (tested, and, then, proofed) more "intracranially". (noun)
b) One will feel when yer there, as jez a portion of the Fathers' "fingernail" (meant as glory), is enough to make one's knees buckle, (as in fear/guilt/humiliation/sorrow/helplessness.....or like, when a fast ball is heading for yer noggin...duck/dodge, er run for cover...only there's no where to run).
c) It is there, where you are asked: "What about this?" (In yer head/heart/mind/soul/spirit,...now mind yerself, as you have both, an inner, and outer.
d) It is in place/s as I have mentioned, you will find the Father, very slow to anger. As long as one is willing. The comforter, is also there, (as a way out), should one needs it. Should ya be as hard-headed/stubborn/willful/proud/arrogant, and vain, as we all are in varying degrees; It'll seem like you've been closed up in a cage with wildcats, as the Father checks in every now and again asking, with a smile on face, asking : "Are ya tired yet?"
e) In yer mind, ya know the Father knows these things, and you know, you know these things as well. "IF, ya wanna grow? You must confess this/these "missings of the mark" to ME!", the Father exclaims. "But, I have!" sez you. "Not to ME, you haven't, leastwise, not HERE, neither/nor to the degree that is required for the growth to which you are seeking/aspiring to! Not if you want ME to teach you!" Commands the Father. "But, my pastor sez such n such, and, this teacher sez such n such", you whine. "OH?", He sez: "Then go back to them, and let THEM teach you." He states. "Be forewarned! You are placing yourself in jeopardy of "strong delusion", by doing this."
My "disclaimer"....I can only speak this of myself. Other's experiences, may differ. "To whom much is given, much is expected. To whom less is given, less, is expected."
Did someone say, "Niagra Falls?"
It has been in my experiences (and, still is, for that matter...work, in progress, yanno...
), that: "Comes (goes) unto the Father", as Jesus declared, can have a 2-fold meaning.1) When Praying, To the Father, I always finish: "In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Mesheac, I ask/pray/praise YOU (meaning, the Father), Amen (meaning, "that's IT"/ finished/completed/done, and not meaning "I agree" "Yer correct")
2) In the course of maturing in the Spirit, or when one "picks up one's cross", and follows through Christ unto the Father (namely, after the Son confesses one to the Father, as one confesses Christ, before men, which happens, either unknowingly, er knowingly, especially here, in cyberville); (gonna go into a sorta dialogue here), Is like, in the book of Job, where God proudly exclaimed unto satan: "Whatta ya think of my main man Job here?" (This is how it goes when one is confessed before the Father........Only, now, it's like, a role reversal), And, here, it becomes very personal, (like, "in the closet" personal).
a) So, off ya go into 1 (or more, if ya thinks yerself strong enough to "multi-task"
) of those rooms/mansions, that Jesus has prepared for us, in His Fathers' house, to be "eximined" (tested, and, then, proofed) more "intracranially". (noun)b) One will feel when yer there, as jez a portion of the Fathers' "fingernail" (meant as glory), is enough to make one's knees buckle, (as in fear/guilt/humiliation/sorrow/helplessness.....or like, when a fast ball is heading for yer noggin...duck/dodge, er run for cover
...only there's no where to run).c) It is there, where you are asked: "What about this?" (In yer head/heart/mind/soul/spirit,...now mind yerself, as you have both, an inner, and outer.
d) It is in place/s as I have mentioned, you will find the Father, very slow to anger. As long as one is willing. The comforter, is also there, (as a way out), should one needs it. Should ya be as hard-headed/stubborn/willful/proud/arrogant, and vain, as we all are in varying degrees; It'll seem like you've been closed up in a cage with wildcats, as the Father checks in every now and again asking, with a smile on face, asking : "Are ya tired yet?"
e) In yer mind, ya know the Father knows these things, and you know, you know these things as well. "IF, ya wanna grow? You must confess this/these "missings of the mark" to ME!", the Father exclaims. "But, I have!" sez you. "Not to ME, you haven't, leastwise, not HERE, neither/nor to the degree that is required for the growth to which you are seeking/aspiring to! Not if you want ME to teach you!" Commands the Father. "But, my pastor sez such n such, and, this teacher sez such n such", you whine. "OH?", He sez: "Then go back to them, and let THEM teach you." He states. "Be forewarned! You are placing yourself in jeopardy of "strong delusion", by doing this."
My "disclaimer"....I can only speak this of myself. Other's experiences, may differ. "To whom much is given, much is expected. To whom less is given, less, is expected."
Did someone say, "Niagra Falls?"
I want to post another snippet from the OP.
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"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.
He forgave us all our
sins" (Colossians 2:13)
The fact is that while the sin issue is dead between you and God, it isn't between the people with whom we come in contact daily.
When we realize we've wronged another, we need to go to that person and take steps toward reconciling the relationship with that person.
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"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.
He forgave us all our
sins" (Colossians 2:13)
The fact is that while the sin issue is dead between you and God, it isn't between the people with whom we come in contact daily.
When we realize we've wronged another, we need to go to that person and take steps toward reconciling the relationship with that person.
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ladylynn
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But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
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The devil will always make you feel that you are not qualified or clean enough to go near God. But the truth is, regardless of how you feel and what you have done, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
In the original Greek text, the tense for the word “cleanses” denotes a present continuous action. This means that once you are a believer, the blood of Jesus Christ keeps on cleansing you from every sin!
So you can rest knowing that you are always forgiven in this continuous “wash cycle” of Jesus’ blood. Because you are continually cleansed, you are always in the light. Of course, you will fail here and there, but you are still in the light because the blood is continuously washing you!
The Bible says that we overcome the devil, the accuser of our brethren, by the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 12:11) If you have sinned, remind yourself that Jesus’ blood keeps on cleansing you from every sin—24 hours a day, seven days a week—and move on with God! The devil cannot defeat you when your faith is in the blood that cleanses you continuously.
Some Christians are guilt-ridden because their consciousness of their sins condemns them. Although Jesus’ blood continuously cleanses them, they would rather hold on to their past mistakes and feel bad about them, thinking that they are being humble and holy when they do this. But this is nothing more than self-righteousness.
My friend, the eternal blood of Jesus Christ offers you eternal redemption and everlasting righteousness. Accept the payment of His blood as the final, perfect and only sacrifice you will ever need!
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"] During the day, the devil may whisper in your head, “You cannot go into God’s presence because you have not been reading your Bible and serving in church.” Or he will tell you that it is because of the sin which you have just committed.
The devil will always make you feel that you are not qualified or clean enough to go near God. But the truth is, regardless of how you feel and what you have done, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
In the original Greek text, the tense for the word “cleanses” denotes a present continuous action. This means that once you are a believer, the blood of Jesus Christ keeps on cleansing you from every sin!
So you can rest knowing that you are always forgiven in this continuous “wash cycle” of Jesus’ blood. Because you are continually cleansed, you are always in the light. Of course, you will fail here and there, but you are still in the light because the blood is continuously washing you!
The Bible says that we overcome the devil, the accuser of our brethren, by the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 12:11) If you have sinned, remind yourself that Jesus’ blood keeps on cleansing you from every sin—24 hours a day, seven days a week—and move on with God! The devil cannot defeat you when your faith is in the blood that cleanses you continuously.
Some Christians are guilt-ridden because their consciousness of their sins condemns them. Although Jesus’ blood continuously cleanses them, they would rather hold on to their past mistakes and feel bad about them, thinking that they are being humble and holy when they do this. But this is nothing more than self-righteousness.
My friend, the eternal blood of Jesus Christ offers you eternal redemption and everlasting righteousness. Accept the payment of His blood as the final, perfect and only sacrifice you will ever need!
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I see..... you don't believe in the gifts of the Spirit, You don't believe in doing works, that God can empower you to do so, but..... you believe you have enuff wisdom to keep you from sinning. How is it you can't do the works of God but have fleshly wisdom to keep you outta trouble?
Methinks yer pride is showing.
"To the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
Does not work...
Does not work...
Does not work...
How much clearer does it have to be for you?
I have to point out to those who think when you come to faith all your sins are forgiven, past, present and future.
God is eternal. Judgement flows because of sin which is rebellion against Him.
A christian steps over from the Kingdom of rebellion into the Kingdom of righteousness. To be able to do this the christian must be washed clean, and counted as righteous. This is achieved through the cross and repentance, acknowledging ones sin is forgive through Jesus sacrifice.
But if a christian continues to sin, willfully in rebellion they have not crossed over at all, and it is all fake.
If God forgave everyone no matter their future behaviour their sin, he would be breaking the righteousness of the Kingdom.
In a real sense God is gracious to forgive the failures in His people, when confronted, they repent.
So the Lord forgives to the present, and we walk in his mercy day after day, growing in knowledge and maturity. We may stumble but if we set it right, the Lord will forgive us.
It is therefore wrong to suggest forgiveness is into the future at all. Forgiveness is for those who claim it when they claim it.
To resolve the issue of if someone dies in unrepentant sin, what happens, this is between them and the Lord. This tends towards a view of a relationship as a book of failures and resolutions, rather than a book of communion with a few failures.
How much clearer does it have to be for you?
If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone also who does righteousness has been fathered by him. 1 John 2:29
Little children, let no one deceive you: the one who does righteousness is righteous, just as that one is righteous. 1 John 3:7
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are evident: everyone who does not do righteousness is not of God, neither the one who does not love his brother. 1 John 3:10
Little children, let no one deceive you: the one who does righteousness is righteous, just as that one is righteous. 1 John 3:7
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are evident: everyone who does not do righteousness is not of God, neither the one who does not love his brother. 1 John 3:10
Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..
This statement is meaningless. What you are trying to suggest is walking in righteousness is self justification, rather than obedience. We walk in righteousness because we are children of God, followers of Jesus.
You claim you also can walk in righteousness because of your new heart. No one as a believing christian is saying they are justified by works, but are called to do works and obedience because they have believed on Jesus and are empowered by the Holy Spirit. Now if someone does not have the Holy Spirit and has not met Jesus in their heart, then they cannot be empowered.
What you appear to be saying is many in the church including yourself had not truly met Jesus or walked in faith.
Now you have and are empowered to walk. Well amen.
But you have actually gone further and are in denial of righteous living. Worse still you deny repentance, confession and having a conscience. Now this strategy only comes about from failure, and the belief righteousness is impossible.
But unfortunately all this confirms is you do not know Jesus properly. But that reality would break you, so you would rather throw out righteousness or morality, which is simple compromise.