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You are not thinking or reading rightly. You project your ideas very quickly.
Two models are being put forward.
1. A heart that is cleansed, made new
2. A perfect heart given from outside like an object that replaces your existing heart
Pure external perfect hearts do not need cleansing.
Pure external hearts can already see God and walk in perfection without fault.
Pure external hearts know everything, so you are already mature, have obtained perfection.
Hearts that are cleansed, refreshed, made new need growth, feeding, activity, understanding.
Those who cleanse themselves from the latter will be instruments for special purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.
2 Tim 2:21
If you have a pure perfect heart there is no need to cleanse yourself, you are already clean.
In fact you hate the idea of self works or needing to do anything in the way of holiness, but here is Paul saying we need to cleanse ourselves.
You have no foundation, but twist and add to that which has already been given.
Two models are being put forward.
1. A heart that is cleansed, made new
2. A perfect heart given from outside like an object that replaces your existing heart
Pure external perfect hearts do not need cleansing.
Pure external hearts can already see God and walk in perfection without fault.
Pure external hearts know everything, so you are already mature, have obtained perfection.
Hearts that are cleansed, refreshed, made new need growth, feeding, activity, understanding.
Those who cleanse themselves from the latter will be instruments for special purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.
2 Tim 2:21
If you have a pure perfect heart there is no need to cleanse yourself, you are already clean.
In fact you hate the idea of self works or needing to do anything in the way of holiness, but here is Paul saying we need to cleanse ourselves.
You have no foundation, but twist and add to that which has already been given.
We are sealed by the Holy Spirit, as a gift into our hearts. Ofcourse or we could not walk with the Lord.
Because our hearts are purified, washed clean we worship God from a place of holiness.
You are fighting two wars here. One war is against people who feel as sinners we can never walk in purity and the other is against people who do not accept the idea of a perfect new heart given as an event replacing the existing heart.
I fully believe we can walk in perfection. I believe we can be washed and have a pure heart, that is what scripture teaches and I experience.
We are given a new heart in Christ by redeeming our existing hearts and washing them clean.
The same verses and words can be used to support the different models.
The true difference is when the words cleanse are used, because cleansing is about washing, and washing is not needed if you are already perfect.
Because our hearts are purified, washed clean we worship God from a place of holiness.
You are fighting two wars here. One war is against people who feel as sinners we can never walk in purity and the other is against people who do not accept the idea of a perfect new heart given as an event replacing the existing heart.
I fully believe we can walk in perfection. I believe we can be washed and have a pure heart, that is what scripture teaches and I experience.
We are given a new heart in Christ by redeeming our existing hearts and washing them clean.
The same verses and words can be used to support the different models.
The true difference is when the words cleanse are used, because cleansing is about washing, and washing is not needed if you are already perfect.
It is only the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sin.
Hebrews 9:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
1 John 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
2 Tim 2: 19-22 is simply saying to stay away ( abstains - verse 19 ) from things that will affect your being used as a vessel by God.
If we fail to "see" the new man of the heart in Christ then we are left with this below as to direct our living here on earth..
D.I.Y. Holiness...
Practical holiness is a term to beware of as it often comes hiding a fishhook. Much of it is pure mixture, as the following soundbites illustrate:
Holiness preaching that emphasizes what you must do is carnal Christianity. Make no mistake, it comes straight out of the old covenant. Heed this sort of teaching and you will exalt the flesh at the expense of grace. And it won’t make you holy.
There are at least four ways to determine whether the holiness message you’re listening to reflects the condemning covenant of the law or the new and liberating covenant of grace:
Old covenant holiness is based on who you are (a bit of a reprobate) and is sold as a list of things you must do; new covenant holiness is based on who Christ is (our holiness – 1 Cor 1:30) and what He has done (sanctified you – Heb 2:11, Rom 11:16)
.
Old covenant holiness emphasizes sacrifices you are expected to make; new covenant holiness emphasizes the perfectly perfect sacrifice of the Lamb, by which you were “perfected forever” (Heb 10:14).
Old covenant holiness is sold as a process of increasing sanctification – something “we grow into” as we become more like Christ; new covenant holiness is presented as a done deal (Heb 10:10).
Old covenant holiness comes with a big stick – “the Lord will condemn you if you don’t deliver”; new covenant holiness has exhortations but no sticks because there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:1).
Ok...how do we walk out this holiness stuff then?
To be holy is to partake of His wholeness; it is to stop acting broken (because in Him we are not broken) and to allow Him to express His whole and beautiful life through us.
The challenge is that being holy is a new experience for us. As sinners, holiness was totally alien to us. That old lifestyle was characterized by brokenness and hurt. Now that we are in Him we have to learn to walk in our new and God-given identity.
The wrong way to approach this is to think of yourself as a flawed sinner trying to become holy. That’s not who you are and that’s not how it works. Instead, see yourself as a toddler learning to walk. Just as you wouldn’t spank an infant if they stumbled and fell, neither will your heavenly Father spank you. He doesn’t condemn you when you fall; He encourages you to get up and walk!
He has given you everything you need for life and godliness. In Christ you lack nothing. You just need to work out who you already are and what He has already given you. This is the adventure of holy living.
Hebrews 9:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
1 John 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
2 Tim 2: 19-22 is simply saying to stay away ( abstains - verse 19 ) from things that will affect your being used as a vessel by God.
If we fail to "see" the new man of the heart in Christ then we are left with this below as to direct our living here on earth..
D.I.Y. Holiness...
Practical holiness is a term to beware of as it often comes hiding a fishhook. Much of it is pure mixture, as the following soundbites illustrate:
- “Following Christ is a lifestyle.” (True.) “We’ve got to keep His commands to be His disciples.” (Nope – that’s backwards. That’s putting the fruit before the tree.)
- “Find out what pleases the Lord.” (Okay!) “Keeping His instructions pleases Him.” (No it does not – that’s faithless, law-based living that nullifies grace and inflames sin – read Romans 7. Jesus pleases the Lord. Trust Him.)
- “If you sow to the flesh you will reap destruction.” (Yep). “So we have to be earnest in getting people to change their behavior.” (But that’s sowing to the flesh! You’re setting them up for failure.)
Holiness preaching that emphasizes what you must do is carnal Christianity. Make no mistake, it comes straight out of the old covenant. Heed this sort of teaching and you will exalt the flesh at the expense of grace. And it won’t make you holy.
There are at least four ways to determine whether the holiness message you’re listening to reflects the condemning covenant of the law or the new and liberating covenant of grace:
Old covenant holiness is based on who you are (a bit of a reprobate) and is sold as a list of things you must do; new covenant holiness is based on who Christ is (our holiness – 1 Cor 1:30) and what He has done (sanctified you – Heb 2:11, Rom 11:16)
.
Old covenant holiness emphasizes sacrifices you are expected to make; new covenant holiness emphasizes the perfectly perfect sacrifice of the Lamb, by which you were “perfected forever” (Heb 10:14).
Old covenant holiness is sold as a process of increasing sanctification – something “we grow into” as we become more like Christ; new covenant holiness is presented as a done deal (Heb 10:10).
Old covenant holiness comes with a big stick – “the Lord will condemn you if you don’t deliver”; new covenant holiness has exhortations but no sticks because there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:1).
Ok...how do we walk out this holiness stuff then?
To be holy is to partake of His wholeness; it is to stop acting broken (because in Him we are not broken) and to allow Him to express His whole and beautiful life through us.
The challenge is that being holy is a new experience for us. As sinners, holiness was totally alien to us. That old lifestyle was characterized by brokenness and hurt. Now that we are in Him we have to learn to walk in our new and God-given identity.
The wrong way to approach this is to think of yourself as a flawed sinner trying to become holy. That’s not who you are and that’s not how it works. Instead, see yourself as a toddler learning to walk. Just as you wouldn’t spank an infant if they stumbled and fell, neither will your heavenly Father spank you. He doesn’t condemn you when you fall; He encourages you to get up and walk!
He has given you everything you need for life and godliness. In Christ you lack nothing. You just need to work out who you already are and what He has already given you. This is the adventure of holy living.
Dear reader,
What looses me is the mixture of heresy with sound theology or scripture.
As a follower of Jesus I have a lot of thing to do and learn.
By believing I am saved.
I need the Holy Spirit to guide me, and Jesus's words to bring me life.
I need to obey the commands and put everything into action.
Now I am told I have made a mistake. I am trying to be something I am not, and I need a new heart mystically delivered which is pure and perfect else I am just a carnal christian, or for some a lost sinner.
Now it appears it is put as the idea is the first bit was perfect, but only with this second bit.
And this second bit has only appeared in the last 50 years or so.
Sounds to me like just another heresy, and taking that which is already fine and laying on another theology.
But the core failure is the new heart, perfect and holy from heaven, is just insane and just not real.
What looses me is the mixture of heresy with sound theology or scripture.
As a follower of Jesus I have a lot of thing to do and learn.
By believing I am saved.
I need the Holy Spirit to guide me, and Jesus's words to bring me life.
I need to obey the commands and put everything into action.
Now I am told I have made a mistake. I am trying to be something I am not, and I need a new heart mystically delivered which is pure and perfect else I am just a carnal christian, or for some a lost sinner.
Now it appears it is put as the idea is the first bit was perfect, but only with this second bit.
And this second bit has only appeared in the last 50 years or so.
Sounds to me like just another heresy, and taking that which is already fine and laying on another theology.
But the core failure is the new heart, perfect and holy from heaven, is just insane and just not real.
As I say - a failure to see the new birth in Christ and who we are now in Christ will lead to all kinds of "philosophies" and traditions of man that have no power to effect a change in us. Only the gospel of the grace of Christ has the power to bring salvation in this life.
But everyone can choose to believe whatever they want......
Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
But everyone can choose to believe whatever they want......
Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
The lawlessness of new.modern.hyper grace.
If you love me, you will keep my commandments. John 14:15
The one who has my commandments and keeps them—that one is the one who loves me. And the one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him.” John 14:21
If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. John 15:10
By this we know that we love the children of God: whenever we love God and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God: that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome, 1 John 5:2-3
The one who has my commandments and keeps them—that one is the one who loves me. And the one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him.” John 14:21
If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. John 15:10
By this we know that we love the children of God: whenever we love God and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God: that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome, 1 John 5:2-3
A very big factor in looking at scripture is the "lens" you use to view the scripture.
In the Old Covenant " you had to do or else"..If you do this..then I God will do that.." = conditional on the person performing
New Covenant = Jesus has done it for you which empowers you to "do"
Let's take a look at a common scripture with these 2 mindsets.
Jesus said.." If you love Me, you will keep My commandments"
Old Covenant mindset = conditional on the person "doing"..so they would read it this way.."IF you love Me you will keep My commandments"..in their mind it's saying.."Keep My commandment and you will prove you love Me."
New Covenant mindset = it's a description of who you are in Christ . they would see this "Jesus' love is in me so I keep His commandments"..it stems out of relationship and it is not conditional but descriptive of the believer.
1 John 4:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.
Then there is more.....there seems to be more sometimes eh?..just what are His commandments anyway?..Be perfect as My Father in heaven is perfect?...can we possibly do that?..of course not..that is Moses 2.0
Ahhh..found His commandments
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
...the "lens" that we view scriptures greatly affects us. Religious traditions of men, philosophies of men, ..what we were told all our lives in church or in the world etc. ..all influence how we view scripture. Sometimes some of our "sacred cows" can get sacrificed and it's painful.
Colossians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
...just throwin' in out there for us to ponder...
In the Old Covenant " you had to do or else"..If you do this..then I God will do that.." = conditional on the person performing
New Covenant = Jesus has done it for you which empowers you to "do"
Let's take a look at a common scripture with these 2 mindsets.
Jesus said.." If you love Me, you will keep My commandments"
Old Covenant mindset = conditional on the person "doing"..so they would read it this way.."IF you love Me you will keep My commandments"..in their mind it's saying.."Keep My commandment and you will prove you love Me."
New Covenant mindset = it's a description of who you are in Christ . they would see this "Jesus' love is in me so I keep His commandments"..it stems out of relationship and it is not conditional but descriptive of the believer.
1 John 4:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.
Then there is more.....there seems to be more sometimes eh?..just what are His commandments anyway?..Be perfect as My Father in heaven is perfect?...can we possibly do that?..of course not..that is Moses 2.0
Ahhh..found His commandments
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
...the "lens" that we view scriptures greatly affects us. Religious traditions of men, philosophies of men, ..what we were told all our lives in church or in the world etc. ..all influence how we view scripture. Sometimes some of our "sacred cows" can get sacrificed and it's painful.
Colossians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
...just throwin' in out there for us to ponder...
Interesting idea. When Jesus said "Your sins are forgiven" did he have the right?
You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
John 15:3
Jesus is saying his words had made the disciples clean.
If you believe on Jesus you are saved. But you are not on the surface believing in the cross, just in him, but to believe in Him is to believe in the cross.
Abraham was justified by faith, imputed as righteousness.
The blood of Jesus is a symbol of something deeper in God than life, it is His very nature, His commitment to see things through, to be just, holy, righteous, loving, merciful, boundless, eternal, perfect etc. Through the cross, an execution tool of the romans it blazes into eternity.
The cross and His blood are the outward showing of who he is, it is so much more than just a charm that makes everything different. God has not changed in eternity. What changed for us as humans was our understanding of it all together.
What hyper-grace is attempting to do is split the unsplitable, to make God into a failure.
You cannot follow Jesus without eating His flesh and drinking His blood because He is life, He is the sustainer of all that is.
As humans we are 100% capable as we are of walking with God in holiness and righteousness, it is our lack of communion that is the only reason why we fail. It is God who cleanses us through His presence, His word, His life, His blood.
The cross is stunning because it shows Gods heart and nature, His redemption and His terms. Follow and obey, repent, confess, humble yourselves, walk and rejoice you are purchased with a price.
The cross is proof of Gods heart, the outward manifestation of who he is, and his redemption of us. Without it we would doubt the real message as a dream, that we are not capable or worthy of such attention. We would believe we have to be self righteous and work for salvation, rather than be bended knee worshippers.
You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
John 15:3
Jesus is saying his words had made the disciples clean.
If you believe on Jesus you are saved. But you are not on the surface believing in the cross, just in him, but to believe in Him is to believe in the cross.
Abraham was justified by faith, imputed as righteousness.
The blood of Jesus is a symbol of something deeper in God than life, it is His very nature, His commitment to see things through, to be just, holy, righteous, loving, merciful, boundless, eternal, perfect etc. Through the cross, an execution tool of the romans it blazes into eternity.
The cross and His blood are the outward showing of who he is, it is so much more than just a charm that makes everything different. God has not changed in eternity. What changed for us as humans was our understanding of it all together.
What hyper-grace is attempting to do is split the unsplitable, to make God into a failure.
You cannot follow Jesus without eating His flesh and drinking His blood because He is life, He is the sustainer of all that is.
As humans we are 100% capable as we are of walking with God in holiness and righteousness, it is our lack of communion that is the only reason why we fail. It is God who cleanses us through His presence, His word, His life, His blood.
The cross is stunning because it shows Gods heart and nature, His redemption and His terms. Follow and obey, repent, confess, humble yourselves, walk and rejoice you are purchased with a price.
The cross is proof of Gods heart, the outward manifestation of who he is, and his redemption of us. Without it we would doubt the real message as a dream, that we are not capable or worthy of such attention. We would believe we have to be self righteous and work for salvation, rather than be bended knee worshippers.
The point was that we do not cleanse ourselves but by Jesus only....we are to abstain and flee from things which will affect our usage as a vessel by the Lord.
My goodness your philosophy comes up with the strangest things...I love the "straw-man " that you create...like = "What hyper-grace is attempting to do is split the unsplitable, to make God into a failure."...this is complete nonsense!......of course Jesus is the One who sanctifies us..
it looks like Jesus with His word sanctifies us....we participate in His life...
John 17:17-19 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.[SUP]18 [/SUP] "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.Ephesians 5:26-27 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.
Hebrews 13:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.
There are lots more but I think we are catching on...
My goodness your philosophy comes up with the strangest things...I love the "straw-man " that you create...like = "What hyper-grace is attempting to do is split the unsplitable, to make God into a failure."...this is complete nonsense!...
...of course Jesus is the One who sanctifies us..it looks like Jesus with His word sanctifies us....we participate in His life...
John 17:17-19 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.[SUP]18 [/SUP] "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.Ephesians 5:26-27 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.
Hebrews 13:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.
There are lots more but I think we are catching on...
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New.modern.hyper grace requires a special "lens" to discern "truth", as all cults do. The gnostics said a special knowledge (gnosis) was required to know the truth. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
All that GOD's children need to discern truth is the holy spirit. No special "lens" (gnosis) required.
But when he—the Spirit of truth—comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak from himself, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will proclaim to you the things to come. John 16:13
And [as for] you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you do not have need that anyone teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all [things], and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you reside in him. 1 John 2:27
All that GOD's children need to discern truth is the holy spirit. No special "lens" (gnosis) required.
But when he—the Spirit of truth—comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak from himself, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will proclaim to you the things to come. John 16:13
And [as for] you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you do not have need that anyone teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all [things], and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you reside in him. 1 John 2:27
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..the "lens" is the Holy Spirit....we depend on Him alone....He shows the things of Christ to us...
It is all about Jesus and His finished work on our behalf.....it will always be in heaven ..
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain!"
It will never be..
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain......and me because I did my own D.I.Y. righteousness/holiness"
It is all about Jesus and His finished work on our behalf.....it will always be in heaven ..
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain!"
It will never be..
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain......and me because I did my own D.I.Y. righteousness/holiness"
Let us look at the sacred cow of Hyper-grace
Flesh-spirit-soul Spirit given by God from heaven perfect and pure.
Flesh full of sin and wrong impulses. Soul? Must be who you actually are ie self consciousness.
So at the resurrection you get a new flesh so you are now perfect. All the sin and evil is in the flesh which is replaced.
So sinners just need to ask God for a new spirit and that is it all sorted.
The bible can be reduced to one prayer. God please give me a new spirit, Amen.
Now where is your emotional history, you weaknesses and strengths, your ups and downs?
As a result of getting a new spirit what difference does this make?
Now I do not see this model in scripture, anywhere. But good marks for effort and enthusiasm, but zero for following the Lord.
Flesh-spirit-soul Spirit given by God from heaven perfect and pure.
Flesh full of sin and wrong impulses. Soul? Must be who you actually are ie self consciousness.
So at the resurrection you get a new flesh so you are now perfect. All the sin and evil is in the flesh which is replaced.
So sinners just need to ask God for a new spirit and that is it all sorted.
The bible can be reduced to one prayer. God please give me a new spirit, Amen.
Now where is your emotional history, you weaknesses and strengths, your ups and downs?
As a result of getting a new spirit what difference does this make?
Now I do not see this model in scripture, anywhere. But good marks for effort and enthusiasm, but zero for following the Lord.
..the "lens" is the Holy Spirit....we depend on Him alone....He shows the things of Christ to us...
It is all about Jesus and His finished work on our behalf.....it will always be in heaven ..
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain!"
It will never be..
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain......and me because I did my own D.I.Y. righteousness/holiness"
It is all about Jesus and His finished work on our behalf.....it will always be in heaven ..
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain!"
It will never be..
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain......and me because I did my own D.I.Y. righteousness/holiness"
I was praying this morning and thinking about how the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him. Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."
This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:
I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church.
This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.
To live a holier life in Him...to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.
If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....hyper-grace me more please my Lord and God!
I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever, free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out to me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self=performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )
I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!
It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..it will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my part"
It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that for all eternity
This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:
I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church.
This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.
To live a holier life in Him...to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.
If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....hyper-grace me more please my Lord and God!
I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever, free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out to me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self=performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )
I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!
It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..it will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my part"
It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that for all eternity
That is hilarious!...but typical and to be expected.
...people of the flesh will continue to persecute those born and living from the Spirit..just like Paul said it would..
The grace-hating or grace-fearing spirit will always attack personally the people that are preaching the pure grace of Christ. It is the nature of the beast.
Paul even talks about how those that live from the works of self-effort and the flesh will attack those that are living and preaching from the promise....the Spirit of grace.
Galatians 4:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
...people of the flesh will continue to persecute those born and living from the Spirit..just like Paul said it would..
The grace-hating or grace-fearing spirit will always attack personally the people that are preaching the pure grace of Christ. It is the nature of the beast.
Paul even talks about how those that live from the works of self-effort and the flesh will attack those that are living and preaching from the promise....the Spirit of grace.
Galatians 4:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.