Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

[Word_Swordsman]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Clearly God says some of us were Homosexuals, BUT we were washed clean by the Blood of Jesus! So yes! Homosexuals who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior WILL enter into Heaven!

Some were murderers, too, that being Paul's self admitted sin.

I doubt it would be best for society not to leave sins like murder up to each murderer to deal with, eventually seeing the need to repent and enter into glory. No, the vast majority of people tend to strongly resist murderers who practice that sin. That sin is counter civilization. So is homosexuality.

We must resist those two sins in particular, two of those that God prescribed the death penalty for. At the least it would be suicidal to let them go about promoting their sin to young children as invited speakers to grade-schoolers, then claim the deceived children were born with those tendencies.

 

[kaylagrl]

In regards to the statement 'Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!' This statement is probably true - there seems to be no real medical evidence to say otherwise (as far as I am aware).

In the society we live in and the laws we live under we need to be mindful of how society as a whole views this issue. It is coming more and more acceptable than say 20 years ago. The big argument is that that gender and biological makeup are not the same thing. This of course was started with the extreme feminists..so nothing new.

Theres a couple of things that might help.. We need to keep on witnessing to all people of their sin before God. If you dont tell them why they need a saviour they wont understand the need for one. Those in darkness won't like it... and its not the easiest of times to witness however, remind yourelf of those christians in areas where it brings death not just ridicule,,that might help us all with courage.

The church itself needs show an example to the world..that is walking in integrity! Do we really live how we should..or do we just make excuses? Do Christians live in sexual purity? - Human sexuality is a big issue in our culture (the west), and purity of it needs to start with the church - the body of Christ. There is no poit crying over spilt milk.. Chrstians need to come from under the basket and let their light shine into a dark world.

Quote "In regards to the statement 'Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!' This statement is probably true - there seems to be no real medical evidence to say otherwise (as far as I am aware). "

Then you disagree with what God says about it.


Quote "In the society we live in and the laws we live under we need to be mindful of how society as a whole views this issue."

I dont care what society thinks on any subject,I care what Gods word says.

Quote " It is coming more and more acceptable"

Sure doesn't make it right.

Quote "Theres a couple of things that might help.. We need to keep on witnessing to all people of their sin before God. If you dont tell them why they need a saviour they wont understand the need for one. "

Totally agree.

Quote "The church itself needs show an example to the world..that is walking in integrity! Do we really live how we should..or do we just make excuses? Do Christians live in sexual purity? - Human sexuality is a big issue in our culture (the west), and purity of it needs to start with the church - the body of Christ. There is no poit crying over spilt milk.. Chrstians need to come from under the basket and let their light shine into a dark world."

100% agree.

 

[phil36]

Hi Kaylagrl,

I think your reading too much into what I have said. First of all sin is choice - its in our nature we can't do otherwise (unless regenerated), so we could say we are all born with an inclination to sin (infact we all will), this does not mean that we will all sin the the same way or to the same degree.

The state we see in western culture is a sign of a culture turning its back on God.. as I say no point crying over spilt milk and pointing fingers, thats a totally pointless exercise. we, the church need to start being the church.

 

[Euphemia]

Its not. People are born a sexuality. No one can choose to just be attracted to a certain gender.

Sure, it's a choice, except for people who have been demonized and have lost their sense of right and wrong. Every child is born with the eventual attraction to the opposite sex, as God has created us to procreate according to His will. So, when our children turn to perverse thinking and behavior, we can know that they have allowed themselves (and their parents and other adults) to become influenced by evil.

God doesn't create ANYBODY with the innate inability to obey Him. Homosexuals say it is impossible for them to obey Him---and that is because they do not know God, and because they don't want to know God, and because they have a perverse mind, tampered with by the adversary.

 

[Magenta]

This does bring up an issue with the whole lbgt thing that makes me upset though. The idea that if you are tempted by homosexuality, you are therefore naturally a homosexual, just cuz, and nothing can be done to change it. Young people take this message being taught to them, and then believe that the fact that they are being tempted by it means that they are now homosexual, and now God hates them merely for being tempted, they dont understand that they are only being tempted, and that the sin lies in having relations of someone of the same sex, and not just being tempted by it. They then believe that God must truly be evil and unjust, because Hes casting judgement on something they have no control over.

We need to make a point to spread the fact that it is ONLY temptation, and that it is being allowed for God to call His elect out from the wicked world, and that the way to God is NOT to never have to deal with it, as if being tempted now makes you Gods enemy, but to say no in the face of temptation. God knows were being led astray, He knows that we all deal with these things. Being gay is acting out on the temptation, being tempted by it but choosing not to act out on it just makes you another regular human being.

This is where a big problem with young people and the false doctrine of homosexuality lies. They have no idea what is happening to them, and believe that it must be in their genes, and that God hates them for it. They dont have the truth, so they are /easily/ led into the hands of the wolves by their confusion.

It does not help that Christians, many of them right here,
will fight to hold their position that simply being gay is a sin.

 

[highness]

I have a friend came out at 4years old to his Mormon family. He said he did not understand sex but could never see himself with a girl. He is in his 40s now still gay.

 

[Mitspa]

I have a friend came out at 4years old to his Mormon family. He said he did not understand sex but could never see himself with a girl. He is in his 40s now still gay.

I knew a 4 year old that liked to kill puppies...he got saved and repented of his sin.

 

[Mitspa]

It does not help that Christians, many of them right here,
will fight to hold their position that simply being gay is a sin.

One cannot be a "Christian" and be "gay" ...its impossible !

 

[blondieindahouse]

One cannot be a "Christian" and be "gay" ...its impossible !

I agree because once regenerated our minds are continually renewed with the word. Our identity is IN CHRIST. God did not create anyone to be an abomination in his sight.

 

[blondieindahouse]

I have a friend came out at 4years old to his Mormon family. He said he did not understand sex but could never see himself with a girl. He is in his 40s now still gay.

I have a friend came out at 4years old

I am not naive and I dont believe fairy tales.

 

[Euphemia]

It does not help that Christians, many of them right here,
will fight to hold their position that simply being gay is a sin.

Identifying as homosexual is sin, because one is actually embracing the designation.

 

[Euphemia]

I have a friend came out at 4years old to his Mormon family. He said he did not understand sex but could never see himself with a girl. He is in his 40s now still gay.

Four-year-old boys are babies. They consider girls are "yucky". Obviously his Mormon parents lost the plot in raising him.

 

[Magenta]

Identifying as homosexual is sin, because one is actually embracing the designation.

LOL. Humans are designated sinners. Is it a sin to acknowledge that too, or a sin not to acknowledge it? According to you and others here, it would seem you embrace the former while the latter is actually Scripturally correct. Is there anything you won't make up to prop up your erroneous position?

 

[Mitspa]

LOL. Humans are designated sinners. Is it a sin to acknowledge that too, or a sin not to acknowledge it? According to you and others here, it would seem you embrace the former while the latter is actually Scripturally correct. Is there anything you won't make up to prop up your erroneous position?

2Ti 2:19 ¶ Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

 

[Magenta]

2Ti 2:19 ¶ Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

So you depart being a human being in accepting Christ? How do you do that? Or do you acknowledge yourself a sinner in the sight of God? Acknowledging yourself a sinner in the sight of God is not a sin. You are a sinner born spiritually dead to God by virtue of being a human being. Just like any other human being. Being gay in and of itself is not a sin. That is what you embrace and erroneously promote. And then you go around telling people to educate themselves while you cling to your ignorance.

 

[Mitspa]

So you depart being a human being in accepting Christ? How do you do that? Or do you acknowledge yourself a sinner in the sight of God? Acknowledging yourself a sinner in the sight of God is not a sin. You are a sinner born spiritually dead to God by virtue of being a human being. Just like any other human being. Being gay in and of itself is not a sin. That is what you embrace and erroneously promote. And then you go around telling people to educate themselves while you cling to your ignorance.

Being "gay" by definition is rebellion against the standards of God ... choosing to continue in such sin is a rejection of ones identity in Christ. Thus one cannot call themselves a Christian and define themselves as gay... you cannot serve two masters and you cannot claim the seal of God and not depart from inequity. As far as defining the flesh as sinful ..that is biblical ..but one cannot call the sin in the flesh and sexual perversion as belonging to Christ.

 

[thecreationtutor]

If being Gay was not a choice, then how would it be sin? Since we can renew our mind?

 

[Mitspa]

1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

 

[Magenta]

Being "gay" by definition is rebellion against the standards of God ... choosing to continue in such sin is a rejection of ones identity in Christ. Thus one cannot call themselves a Christian and define themselves as gay... you cannot serve two masters and you cannot claim the seal of God and not depart from inequity. As far as defining the flesh as sinful ..that is biblical ..but one cannot call the sin in the flesh and sexual perversion as belonging to Christ.

How is being gay a sin? You never quite get around to explaining that. You give your opinion and pretend Scripture addresses the fact of being gay while it addresses the actions of being gay. Your identity in Christ is as a sinner saved by the grace of God, just the same as any gay person would identify. You seem either unwilling or incapable of separating an identification with the actions. Maybe both. You want to believe that being is doing. It is not.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

How is being gay a sin? You never quite get around to explaining that. You give your opinion and pretend Scripture addresses the fact of being gay while it addresses the actions of being gay. Your identity in Christ is as a sinner saved by the grace of God, just the same as any gay person would identify. You seem either unwilling or incapable of separating an identification with the actions. Maybe both. You want to believe that being is doing. It is not.

Consider that if God wrongly demanded execution of homosexuals who carry out their temptation supposedly installed at birth, should he apologize to them now?

How can anyone be born homosexual then never carry that act out? Jesus said that if a man just looks at a woman in lust he has already committed adultery. So how could a homosexual think himself that way without lusting after other men?