Do you also say being tempted is the same as committing the sin? If that were true that would make Scripture a liar and Jesus a sinner, since He was tempted (in all points as we are) but did not sin. You cannot have it both ways. Do you think simply knowing your sexual orientation is to actually engage in the act of lusting continually or non-stop? People have such strange views. To understand yourself to be a certain way does not automatically translate to you engaging in behaviour that defines you as such. I have already given the example, but again, as sinful human beings we need not continue to engage in sin to know we are sinners saved by grace. Identifying as a sinner is not a sin as some have said. Where does this wretched silliness come from?
Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!
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Yep, we are born as sinners, but surely you must be aware that to speak of oneself as a homosexual, or adulterer, or thief, or a formicator in the same way as people declare themselves as right-handed or caucasian or male or female is clearly an affectation of the deep-seated pervetsion within them.
Truly you have been overtaken by an abject lie of Satan telling you that homosexuality is not a sin when God Himself says it is. It is your choice how much of God's truth you will accept and reject. As for me and millions of my brothers and sisters in Christ, we will accept His word and never compromise one inch to the devil.
Anyone who has been afflicted with the perversion of homosexuality and has received salvation is quick to delete the label as he has become a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST! He has a whole new paradigm and now hates sin.
Whenever a person who claims Christ speaks as if he has retained the label of homosexual, he reveals himself as either extremely immature spiritually and is in dire need of serious discipling, or he's a false convert or simply a fake. So, when I hear of people who say they are Christians speaking as some here do in preference to this sin ate sorely in need of some revelation about this, having been given the biblical truth about it, yet resisting and holding tightly to the lie of Satan. It's a vile delusion.
Whenever a person who claims Christ speaks as if he has retained the label of homosexual, he reveals himself as either extremely immature spiritually and is in dire need of serious discipling, or he's a false convert or simply a fake. So, when I hear of people who say they are Christians speaking as some here do in preference to this sin ate sorely in need of some revelation about this, having been given the biblical truth about it, yet resisting and holding tightly to the lie of Satan. It's a vile delusion.
While they may not intend it, the ignorance that Christians have toward homosexuality is very insulting to the thousands of teens and young adults that are so depressed they choose to kill themselves because they are gay and do not want to be. We cannot change what we find sexually attractive. The idea that simply existing is a sin is just utterly ridiculous.
I find that to be more alarming than anyone who is gay. Repentant or not, someone better keep an eye on that kid 
How can an alcoholic never take a drink? How can a kleptomaniac never steal? I suppose that anyone with a predisposition to commit sin can overcome that compulsion. Consider that if Jesus being a heterosexual never lusted for a married woman, its also possible for a homosexual to resist a similar temptation.. jmo
How can an alcoholic never take a drink? How can a kleptomaniac never steal? I suppose that anyone with a predisposition to commit sin can overcome that compulsion. Consider that if Jesus being a heterosexual never lusted for a married woman, its also possible for a homosexual to resist a similar temptation.. jmo
Ridiculous and incredibly ignorant, and yet the Christians with that opinion ignorantly cling to it and clutch at imaginary straws, pretending that being tempted is to sin when clearly it is not, and further pretending that to acknowledge one's self a sinner means one is sinning... if what they say is true, and we know it is not because if it were then they make Jesus a sinner, but IF what they said was true there would be no reason at all to witness to anyone who was other oriented. Why, to hear it said, simply being and realizing oneself as heterosexual puts one in the same boat, for how can one know such a thing and not act out on it? As I said, people have strange views, and there is no accounting for all the ignorance.
Truly you have been overtaken by the spirit of Satan to be telling such blatant and abject lies. You also need to learn how to read, or perhaps to understand what you read. For you show that you are greatly lacking in both. Being gay is not a sin. Acting out on sexual immorality is. You seem totally in the dark as to the difference between the two. It is not so subtle that it is hard to grasp, and yet you reject the truth of it. Do you also make Jesus a sinner as others here have obviously done? How shocking to see Christians reject Scriptural truths in such a manner! You are a sinner saved by grace no less than any gay person would be to acknowledge their sin and their need of Jesus for salvation. Acknowledging oneself as gay is not a sin as you say. Grab a clue and lay down the lies of Satan and embrace the truth found in Jesus Christ. The deep seated perversion within you as a sinner is still capable of coming into the light of God's love for all His children.
Rather than try to blend philosophies of wicked sinners with a partial knowledge of what God says about sin, try sticking to scripture to reset your mind to agree with God. God would be quite unrighteous indeed to have stamped a newborn baby with a specific sin tendency making him or her unable to be made a new creature in Christ with a mind renewed toward rejection of all sins spoken or acted out. People are simply born separated from God spiritually, yet he invites us to believe the gospel. Having raised children we watched the process of development of sin consciousness in them and many other children. If a parent fails to teach a child right from wrong, then the child assumes whatever that other kid does is OK for each other. That's why we discipline them and set boundaries that only move outward as they mature to make their own good decisions. Normal people tend to at least follow some moral code according to their cultural surrounds, or like family traditions all devoid of Bible wisdom. That's why people groups not using Bible morals share similar prohibitions especially of murder and homosexuality. Fear of even knowing someone in those sin classes is enough to cause great fear in the knower. Human nature, even though initially spiritually dead, generally sinks relatively low, many people going all their lives never once even getting a parking ticket or late paying a bill. Even a "dead" morality is useful to keep a civilization up and running.
James 1:12-18 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Do not err, my beloved brethren.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
James 1:12-18 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Do not err, my beloved brethren.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Scripture tells truth....
(1 Corinthians 6:9-11) . . .Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.
Note especially the point "And yet that is what some of you were." Indicating it was a choice to do the things referenced in this text.....
Again....(1 Timothy 1:8-11) . . .Now we know that the Law is fine if one applies it properly, recognizing that law is made, not for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, ungodly and sinners, disloyal and profane, murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, manslayers, sexually immoral people, men who practice homosexuality, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and everything else that is in opposition to the wholesome teaching according to the glorious good news of the happy God, with which I was entrusted.
Note...."practice homosexuality"... Indicating again a choice to "practice" such....
Sodom persisted in a course in defiance of Almighty God, becoming known for such immoral practices as homosexuality. “The cry of complaint about Sodom and Gomorrah,” Jehovah declared, “yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy.” God therefore sent his angels to destroy Sodom, with the assurance to Abraham that if ten righteous persons could be found in the place, the whole city would be spared.—Ge 18:16, 20-33.
Choices..... it is all about choices... from the Garden of Eden to the realities of sexual immorality today, which is rampant. Just because it is accepted by man does NOT indicate that Almighty God has lowered his standards so that wicked ones may be placated...
(1 Corinthians 6:9-11) . . .Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.
Note especially the point "And yet that is what some of you were." Indicating it was a choice to do the things referenced in this text.....
Again....(1 Timothy 1:8-11) . . .Now we know that the Law is fine if one applies it properly, recognizing that law is made, not for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, ungodly and sinners, disloyal and profane, murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, manslayers, sexually immoral people, men who practice homosexuality, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and everything else that is in opposition to the wholesome teaching according to the glorious good news of the happy God, with which I was entrusted.
Note...."practice homosexuality"... Indicating again a choice to "practice" such....
Sodom persisted in a course in defiance of Almighty God, becoming known for such immoral practices as homosexuality. “The cry of complaint about Sodom and Gomorrah,” Jehovah declared, “yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy.” God therefore sent his angels to destroy Sodom, with the assurance to Abraham that if ten righteous persons could be found in the place, the whole city would be spared.—Ge 18:16, 20-33.
Choices..... it is all about choices... from the Garden of Eden to the realities of sexual immorality today, which is rampant. Just because it is accepted by man does NOT indicate that Almighty God has lowered his standards so that wicked ones may be placated...
Where is this supposed blending of philosophies? Do you admit you are saying that to be tempted is to sin? I do agree with God, while you deny what Scripture clearly teaches... you and those others who blend philosophies with your homophobia to claim that identification in any way as a sinner is a sin in and of itself.
A good way to describe the situation of a sinner holding onto sin is Isaiah 64:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
The original intent of that filthiness is literally like a man picking a robe from the closet which is stained with menstrual fluids, an abomination in the Law, and not welcome among probably all people on earth. The man proudly wears it to the sanctuary, assuming he is adequately covered. There he is cast out. He is cast out because instead of a clean robe of righteousness he sports an unclean covering which indicates an undiscerning, unclean soul.
When born again that old stained robe of filthiness is exchanged for a pure white "robe of righteousness". Jesus took the filthy rags to wear for us, giving us his pure covering. Like the ancient scape goat, the sins he bore were then carried off to where they belong, and should remain.
Isaiah 61:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
Consider the opinion of Heaven of a man or woman standing before God thinking he or she is clean enough, but stained with sin the slightest bit.
Fulfilled at Calvary.
Beware appearing before God having a new stain of sin on that wonderful new robe from Jesus, with set in stains that no man can remove by conventional means. Submit to the washing of water of the word. He can clean every evil from all who submit to God, resisting the devil. It must be finished while on this side of our end of natural days.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
The original intent of that filthiness is literally like a man picking a robe from the closet which is stained with menstrual fluids, an abomination in the Law, and not welcome among probably all people on earth. The man proudly wears it to the sanctuary, assuming he is adequately covered. There he is cast out. He is cast out because instead of a clean robe of righteousness he sports an unclean covering which indicates an undiscerning, unclean soul.
When born again that old stained robe of filthiness is exchanged for a pure white "robe of righteousness". Jesus took the filthy rags to wear for us, giving us his pure covering. Like the ancient scape goat, the sins he bore were then carried off to where they belong, and should remain.
Isaiah 61:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
Consider the opinion of Heaven of a man or woman standing before God thinking he or she is clean enough, but stained with sin the slightest bit.
Fulfilled at Calvary.
Beware appearing before God having a new stain of sin on that wonderful new robe from Jesus, with set in stains that no man can remove by conventional means. Submit to the washing of water of the word. He can clean every evil from all who submit to God, resisting the devil. It must be finished while on this side of our end of natural days.
No, being tempted is not a sin. Yielding to it, even imagining it with any pleasure, births the sin seeded by the temptation. That's why Jesus said in Matthew 5:27-32 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
[SUP]32 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
So, without actually acting out a sin, being tempted then dwelling mentally upon it becomes a sin. It's what makes habitually looking at pornography so very dangerous, ruining lives.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
[SUP]32 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
So, without actually acting out a sin, being tempted then dwelling mentally upon it becomes a sin. It's what makes habitually looking at pornography so very dangerous, ruining lives.
James 1:12-18 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
What about that is so hard to comprehend? If God made a baby predisposed to any one sin, that would constitute tempting him or her.
People are tempted various ways, but never by God. The Devil or demons can and do often come around to present powerful delusions, deceptions, lies and clever half truths. Other people are used to inspire action upon a temptation.
The most dangerous temptations are generated within our own mind. That happens after the mind has accepted inward delusions, which happens when we misuse our imagination.
2 Corinthians 10:3-6 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Try to believe it. You can if Christ is in you, else you continue to promote disobedience even if only in one's mind.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
What about that is so hard to comprehend? If God made a baby predisposed to any one sin, that would constitute tempting him or her.
People are tempted various ways, but never by God. The Devil or demons can and do often come around to present powerful delusions, deceptions, lies and clever half truths. Other people are used to inspire action upon a temptation.
The most dangerous temptations are generated within our own mind. That happens after the mind has accepted inward delusions, which happens when we misuse our imagination.
2 Corinthians 10:3-6 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Try to believe it. You can if Christ is in you, else you continue to promote disobedience even if only in one's mind.
Wow.. before I found god I took my daughter fishing. I cut a fishes head off and she got so upset we had to go home. I think she was 6 or 7.
The story you tell about the 4 year old where did he get all the puppies and how was he doing all this killing? I never would leave a 4 year old alone? We're his parents helping him kill puppies?
The story you tell about the 4 year old where did he get all the puppies and how was he doing all this killing? I never would leave a 4 year old alone? We're his parents helping him kill puppies?
The best witness to the unsaved, deceived and afflicted are those who have been redeemed of their sin and have overcome what has beset them and no longer identify as downtrodden sinners. They say, "I once was lost but now I am found! I was blind but now I see!"
I don't think that anyone who claims to be a sinner and carries on with the label of homosexual has a very potent ministry. That is not an anointed person.
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I don't think that anyone who claims to be a sinner and carries on with the label of homosexual has a very potent ministry. That is not an anointed person.
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Claiming to be homosexual is a sin. One who is saved does not affiliate with that designation any longer. It is a shame to him. It doesn't matter whether he acts on the sin or not...he is identifying with an abomination. There is no glory to God in it.
I find that you have been deceived by this perverse mindset. Maybe someone in your life or yourself has suffered concerning this sin, and you are bending over backwards to accommodate it. You are in compromise. Whether one acts on the sin or not---to claim homosexuality is a sin of the mind, and needs correcting.
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I find that you have been deceived by this perverse mindset. Maybe someone in your life or yourself has suffered concerning this sin, and you are bending over backwards to accommodate it. You are in compromise. Whether one acts on the sin or not---to claim homosexuality is a sin of the mind, and needs correcting.
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Homophobia? I see Chriostophobia in what you are saying. Indeed you do seem to be compromising what the word of God says with what the world says. Are you in fear of reprisal from your friends if you speak the truth and stand up for what is right and good?
One who identifies with homosexuality or any other sin has a stronghold of the mind and needs deliverance and right teaching. One who agrees with that person is also in need of correction. It is obvious that these people have yet to be able to place their thoughts under subjection to Christ, and need true Christian counsel and discipling.
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One who identifies with homosexuality or any other sin has a stronghold of the mind and needs deliverance and right teaching. One who agrees with that person is also in need of correction. It is obvious that these people have yet to be able to place their thoughts under subjection to Christ, and need true Christian counsel and discipling.
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