Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

[Magenta]

alrighty then

And this is your idea of being in the truth, bearing false witness and then pretending it is no biggie to lie about others with your slander.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen!

I agree with you..if someone identifies with another identity other then who they are in Christ now...they are definitely "missing the mark"..they are new creations in Christ!

Their faith will begin to work once they start acknowledging who they really are in Christ.

Philemon 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

I only want people to realize the truth. I will not fight with you. Ive seen how you will strive for weeks fighting with the RC and I tend to think you like it! I will NOT have any part in striving with your fighting nature.

When you repent and believe on Jesus Christ to be forgiven of your sins, the righteousness of Jesus is IMPUTED to your sinful record. To be saved, You Need HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. You are no longer viewed as an adulterer, or a murderer, et cetera.

So to hold on to a false identity is SIN............

 

[Euphemia]

Amen...so they should not be focusing in on the sin but who they are in Christ now....that they are the righteousness of God in Christ..be who you really are now because of He is in you...you have His nature now inside of you...awake to righteousness and sin not..

Exactly! He's got it!

 

[Magenta]

I dont think you get it. Christ renews our minds and our identity is in HIM. A person that proclaims that he is homosexual only reinforces in the spirit realm > the lie! Noone is actually homosexual. It is a false identity. To keep saying it is to agree with the adversary. Agreeing with the adversary in any way shape or form ,IS SIN.

When you repent and believe on Jesus Christ to be forgiven of your sins, the righteousness of Jesus is IMPUTED to your sinful record. To be saved, You Need HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. You are no longer viewed as an adulterer, or a murderer, et cetera.

So to hold on to a false identity is SIN............

Just to make myself perfectly clear: I do not adhere to works righteousness. I know I am eternally saved!
I did not research the author in which it would have behooved me to do so. Do not lump me in with this guy.
I was only focusing on the sin consciousness vs righteous conscious lies. His was one of the first I found when looking for a good representation of my view on it.
I do not believe in the "either" "or" analogy but rather a healthy balance of both!

So easy to find you contradicting yourself.

 

[KennethC]

Ok..so we are back to Hebrews 10..what a great chapter on the grace of Christ!...

All through Hebrews the only sin talked about was the sin of unbelief...then in Heb 10:..he talks about willfully sinning which is rejecting Jesus as the Christ for those Jews that the letter was names for.."Hebrews"....

By the way..all sin is will full..

mailmandan gave a great summary of Hebrews 10 below....

I have no problem with Hebrews 10. To "sin willfully" (Hebrews 10:26) in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9.

The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in v. 29 seems to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians; is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation. In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved).

A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians and sinful things without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that just do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the context, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Christian community of believers, but who has subsequently committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and by repudiating the work and the person of Christ himself. Such a person’s apostasy is thus evidence that his identification with the Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.

You need to stop listening to other men and listen to what the Holy Spirit and the word of God actually says.

Unbelief is not the only sin talked about in Hebrews, as chapters 3 and 4 talk on disobedience.............

The person you are using states that Hebrews 10:26 is directed at unbelievers, that is completely false as look at the verses just before it.

Hebrews 10:19-25 is talking about the steps believers in Christ take in coming to Him and the walk that follows, and verses 26-29 is after these steps have been taken; Not before !!!

Notice the contrast given between verses 28 and 29:

Verse 28 mentions those who have transgressed the Mosaic law and the punishment that came with it........

Verse 29 says how much more punishment will come to those who trample the Son of God by continuing to deliberately sinning..........


Showing the punishment of transgressing against the Lord will be worse then that of breaking the Mosaic law !!!

 

[Grace777x70]

I see no contradiction in what she said....

she said = Agreeing with the adversary in any way shape or form ,IS SIN. = true

she said = So to hold on to a false identity is SIN = true

The last one was she was just saying she likes to focus on a balance of looking at sin and looking at righteousness - in her own life..

I see no contradictions at all....

So easy to find you contradicting yourself.

 

[Magenta]

I see no contradiction in what she said....

she said = Agreeing with the adversary in any way shape or form ,IS SIN. = true

she said = So to hold on to a false identity is SIN = true

The last one was she was just saying she likes to focus on a balance of looking at sin and looking at righteousness - in her own life..

I see no contradictions at all....

Of course you see no discrepancy. It is wrong and a sin to do XYZ, it is wrong and a sin to do XYZ, oh but I do not hold that it is wrong and a sin to do XYZ I try to keep a balanced view on it and see it both ways. Nope, no discrepancy there... only to the blind.

 

[Grace777x70]

Your religion is showing again..

The whole book of Hebrews was written to the Hebrews...in their synagogues there were believers and unbelievers..the author od Hebrews is showing through their own religious system about their need to come to Christ.

All sin is willful and if your interpretation is right then all of us are in deep trouble because we all sin everyday and it is willful..lol

The only sin talked about in the book of Hebrews is the sin of unbelief in chapter 3 and 4..then he goes on to talk about the High Priest..the sacrifices of bulls and goats..etc...

The "willful sin" is rejecting Jesus as their Messiah and relying on the temple sacrifices for their salvation. Unbelief is disobedience..

I know you need these verses to say that we can lose our salvation because that is what you believe..and as I have said before..you can believe whatever you want...I am just giving people a grace-based view to read and they can make their own minds up with the Holy Spirit within them....

You need to stop listening to other men and listen to what the Holy Spirit and the word of God actually says.

Unbelief is not the only sin talked about in Hebrews, as chapters 3 and 4 talk on disobedience.............

The person you are using states that Hebrews 10:26 is directed at unbelievers, that is completely false as look at the verses just before it.

Hebrews 10:19-25 is talking about the steps believers in Christ take in coming to Him and the walk that follows, and verses 26-29 is after these steps have been taken; Not before !!!

Notice the contrast given between verses 28 and 29:

Verse 28 mentions those who have transgressed the Mosaic law and the punishment that came with it........

Verse 29 says how much more punishment will come to those who trample the Son of God by continuing to deliberately sinning..........


Showing the punishment of transgressing against the Lord will be worse then that of breaking the Mosaic law !!!

 

[Grace777x70]

She is not "identifying " with a new identity ..she is simply saying she acknowledges sin when she sees it....my goodness you "read" a lot into things....

Of course you see no discrepancy. It is wrong and a sin to do XYZ, it is wrong and a sin to do XYZ, oh but I do not hold that it is wrong and a sin to do XYZ I try to keep a balanced view on it and see it both ways. Nope, no discrepancy there... only to the blind.

 

[Magenta]

She is not "identifying " with a new identity ..she is simply saying she acknowledges sin when she sees it....my goodness you "read" a lot into things....

Yes, it is true, I see the reality of what she has put forth, in her posts vaunting herself saying it is wrong and a sin to identify as a sinner, not once but in more than one post, then in another thread saying how she likes to keep a balanced view of righteousness and sin nature, so suddenly all this high and mighty holier than thou crap gets shown for exactly what it is: holier than thou crap.

 

[blondieindahouse]

No miss butt-in-sky, it was not about Christians identifying as gay, if you had a clue about the conversation you may have known that... and if homosexuals do not really exist, why are so many people talking about them? You seem terribly deceived by Satan and need to repent of your blindness! Repent Blondie! Repent!

butt-in-sky? Bwahahaha..... I wasnt aware this is a private thread. Pardon me

 

[KennethC]

Your religion is showing again..

The whole book of Hebrews was written to the Hebrews...in their synagogues there were believers and unbelievers..the author od Hebrews is showing through their own religious system about their need to come to Christ.

All sin is willful and if your interpretation is right then all of us are in deep trouble because we all sin everyday and it is willful..lol

The only sin talked about in the book of Hebrews is the sin of unbelief in chapter 3 and 4..then he goes on to talk about the High Priest..the sacrifices of bulls and goats..etc...

The "willful sin" is rejecting Jesus as their Messiah and relying on the temple sacrifices for their salvation. Unbelief is disobedience..

I know you need these verses to say that we can lose our salvation because that is what you believe..and as I have said before..you can believe whatever you want...I am just giving people a grace-based view to read and they can make their own minds up with the Holy Spirit within them....

Speak for yourself because we do not all sin every single day !!!

That is your opinion and is not fact and is a misguided false teaching that shows no victory over sin.

There is no different set of standards for this set of believers over this set of believer, a believing Hebrew is to follow the same doctrine as a believing Jew, or believing Gentile. There is no different teaching for them over us !!!

You statement of all sin being willful shows you do not understand the usage of willful sin as the bible gives !!!

The definition of willful sin as the bible lays out is those who deliberately continue sinning without the want to give it up !!!

Not those who sin from time to time or continue to struggle but want to stop after coming to Christ........


Again unbelief is not the only sin addressed in Hebrews.....

Hebrews 2:2, 3:18 talk about disobedience and Hebrews 6:8 speaks of all sins as that is what "bears thorns and briers" refers to............

 

[blondieindahouse]

So easy to find you contradicting yourself.

What is so clear to me that you must think identity in Christ is the same as sin consciousness. They are NOT the same. No, The spirit indwelling does not confuse me nor does he contradict himself.

 

[Euphemia]

Do you know that the bible says those in apostasy are not saved ??? And do you know that apostasy means one who was once in the truth/faith but then want astray after lies ???

Nope. Countless Christians believe some lies. Are they apostasized? No...God has accepted them as His children. They will discover one day when they stand before Jesus at the Bema Seat that they were wrong but God doesn't renege on His adoptions.

 

[Euphemia]

Yes, it is true, I see the reality of what she has put forth, in her posts vaunting herself saying it is wrong and a sin to identify as a sinner, not once but in more than one post, then in another thread saying how she likes to keep a balanced view of righteousness and sin nature, so suddenly all this high and mighty holier than thou crap gets shown for exactly what it is: holier than thou crap.

Truly, I don't think you see much at all. Your language belies your claims.

 

[KennethC]

Nope. Countless Christians believe some lies. Are they apostasized? No...God has accepted them as His children. They will discover one day when they stand before Jesus at the Bema Seat that they were wrong but God doesn't renege on His adoptions.

Then you deny the many warnings of not following sound doctrine, right ???

You do know Apostle Paul said a different gospel and a different Jesus can be preached, and if the ways you are walking do not align with what Jesus said then that is following a different Jesus in which Paul says those who do such will not be saved.

There is way to many warnings in the bible about following after lies, yet you seem to be making an excuse for those following false doctrines. The Word of God does not as Jesus Himself said even those who never heard of Him will face punishment in Luke 12, and those who have heard but are disobedient to His ways will face more punishment.

Also I guess you missed such places also of Hebrews 12:8 and 2 Peter 2:14 that says can become illegitimate and accursed and thus not sons.

 

[Euphemia]

I only want people to realize the truth. I will not fight with you. Ive seen how you will strive for weeks fighting with the RC and I tend to think you like it! I will NOT have any part in striving with your fighting nature.

When you repent and believe on Jesus Christ to be forgiven of your sins, the righteousness of Jesus is IMPUTED to your sinful record. To be saved, You Need HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. You are no longer viewed as an adulterer, or a murderer, et cetera.

So to hold on to a false identity is SIN............

As far as I am concerned, this thread is now complete. You have said all that needs to be said. Thank you and God bless you.

.

 

[KennethC]

What is so clear to me that you must think identity in Christ is the same as sin consciousness. They are NOT the same. No, The spirit indwelling does not confuse me nor does he contradict himself.

That is ridiculous as nobody is saying that identity in Christ and sin consciousness is the same thing.

Problem we have is that some on here think that identity we have in Christ is not shown out in our actions, they think it is just a inner spiritual identity. But that is not the case as if we abide in Christ we also are to abide in His way, identity is action as well.

The whole context in Hebrews is misused as the whole point being made there is this:

They only went to the temple once a year to make sacrifice for their sins they did all year, thus they were reminded of what they did in the past that year. Those sacrifices could not do away with that !!!

We now in Christ though do not have to do this once a year, we confess our sins when we do them and put them aside not to worry about them any longer.

Their consciousness had to remember all the wrong they did that year, we do not as sin is handled as it arises now !!!

 

[blondieindahouse]

And this is your idea of being in the truth, bearing false witness and then pretending it is no biggie to lie about others with your slander.

I was actually busy looking for the thread in which I remembered you striving for a long time. I found it!!!!!
I didnt bother to go through the entire thread because it is very long but I did enough diligence to prove that you were regular on the thread between the posts I found. Let the evidence speak for itself. I guess I wasnt lying!

The name of the thread: I want to understand the catholic faith so.......................

October 27th #529 ( this was first I found on my search of YOUR POSTS. I do not know if it goes back further)

November 23rd #1085 ( I posted this to you:
Originally Posted by blondieindahouse
Youve done a good job of presenting scripture sis. Leave the rest to God. I pray for all RC to come to the truth and receive salvation. Amen


#1357 3 wks ago, dec 18th ( you are still at it)


I stopped there. I more than proved my point.
I have many flaws magenta but I am not a liar. I am not a slanderer either. I did not bear false witness against you.

 

[Euphemia]

Then you deny the many warnings of not following sound doctrine, right ???

Nope.

You do know Apostle Paul said a different gospel and a different Jesus can be preached, and if the ways you are walking do not align with what Jesus said then that is following a different Jesus in which Paul says those who do such will not be saved.

There is way to many warnings in the bible about following after lies, yet you seem to be making an excuse for those following false doctrines. The Word of God does not as Jesus Himself said even those who never heard of Him will face punishment in Luke 12, and those who have heard but are disobedient to His ways will face more punishment.

Also I guess you missed such places also of Hebrews 12:8 and 2 Peter 2:14 that says can become illegitimate and accursed and thus not sons.

Nope. We are talking about homosexuality here, and also the fact that those who have been freed from it need to be walking free, and not identifying with the sin life any longer...not doctrine.

If you think a homosexual who has been saved and now walks in the light is right is claiming to be in tune with the darkness, then you have a problem with more than doctrine.


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