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Vote on Obsession with confession(1st John 1:9,sin confession)
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FreeNChrist
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There are some that believe it's within their "rights" to "rebuke" people because they interpreted the word and it's application different then what you do....they start "rebuking" people because they have a different interpretation then you in areas that are not clearly defined.
This so-called "rebuking' takes forms of "reviling" other leaders in the Body of Christ. Speaking in malice towards others in the body of Christ. They attack the person when they are confronted with clear scripture. This exact thing happened to Jesus with the religious people of His day.
People ( other then leaders in the Body of Christ ) that usually say they are "reproving or rebuking others" are using that out of context and most likely just "reviling people out of malice "...but they like to call it "rebuke" because it sounds so Christian-like. In reality it's just a Pharisee mindset in action!....
This so-called "rebuking' takes forms of "reviling" other leaders in the Body of Christ. Speaking in malice towards others in the body of Christ. They attack the person when they are confronted with clear scripture. This exact thing happened to Jesus with the religious people of His day.
People ( other then leaders in the Body of Christ ) that usually say they are "reproving or rebuking others" are using that out of context and most likely just "reviling people out of malice "...but they like to call it "rebuke" because it sounds so Christian-like. In reality it's just a Pharisee mindset in action!....
Honestly, the only people I ever see obsessing about being persecuted, or attacked, or reviled are those who are in error and can't stand being exposed and their position being attacked.
I don't think that I ever see people who are firmly established in the truth and sound doctrine getting bent out of shape when others oppose them. They just present their case with scripture and let the chips fall where they may.
The latter have nothing to fear. The former not so much; and maybe the reason for all of their squealing is their need to justify themselves.
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FreeNChrist
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I got to say, when you interpret scripture to support your own position, ofcourse quoting it makes no difference.
A sinner caught in sin is obvious. "How dare you suggest I am sinning."
The sin of today is "Self indulgence", I deserve my rewards. Because I walk with Jesus He has given me health and wealth, I just need to claim it.
Imagine the logic. I walk in Jesus, poverty and illness are a curse of evil on my life. If they are not lifted I am under a curse. If my partner or relative die, it is because I have not believed enough or walked properly.
So rather than walking in grace with no conditions, the worst conditions and self condemnation have fallen on me.
So a widow, who saw their partner come to faith before they died, is torn in two with guilt. They failed to believe and worst still they trusted God and he failed.
Now I walk with Jesus. I love despite the problems and trials, the pain and suffering, the unfair opportunities and count myself blessed to be alive. When the Lord takes me and those I know, praise the Lord for His timing, for His will is pre-eminent to bring about His purposes. We love despite our circumstance, not because of it.
A woman in my church followed the name it claim it theology. She has now lost her husband, and I suspect is spiritually broken. So not only did she have unreal expectations and a wrong theology, the love of her God has been ripped from her.
A sinner caught in sin is obvious. "How dare you suggest I am sinning."
The sin of today is "Self indulgence", I deserve my rewards. Because I walk with Jesus He has given me health and wealth, I just need to claim it.
Imagine the logic. I walk in Jesus, poverty and illness are a curse of evil on my life. If they are not lifted I am under a curse. If my partner or relative die, it is because I have not believed enough or walked properly.
So rather than walking in grace with no conditions, the worst conditions and self condemnation have fallen on me.
So a widow, who saw their partner come to faith before they died, is torn in two with guilt. They failed to believe and worst still they trusted God and he failed.
Now I walk with Jesus. I love despite the problems and trials, the pain and suffering, the unfair opportunities and count myself blessed to be alive. When the Lord takes me and those I know, praise the Lord for His timing, for His will is pre-eminent to bring about His purposes. We love despite our circumstance, not because of it.
A woman in my church followed the name it claim it theology. She has now lost her husband, and I suspect is spiritually broken. So not only did she have unreal expectations and a wrong theology, the love of her God has been ripped from her.
Then there is the "justification' for their "reviling".....I rest my case.....
Apparently you need to learn the difference between attacking a position or doctrine, and attacking or reviling a person.
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
1 Cor 5:11
Those who follow hyper-grace are happy to call these people leaders, teachers, good examples to follow.
Pauls approach would have been to say they are apostate.
And how do you go from this apostate state back into fellowship? Confession, repentance and faith.
But these people are too proud, they are under grace so behaviour is irrelevant.
1 Cor 5:11
Those who follow hyper-grace are happy to call these people leaders, teachers, good examples to follow.
Pauls approach would have been to say they are apostate.
And how do you go from this apostate state back into fellowship? Confession, repentance and faith.
But these people are too proud, they are under grace so behaviour is irrelevant.
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FreeNChrist
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Thats right. God's discipline is that of the loving process of bringing up a child, the nurturing (Eph. 6:4) process of child-training (2 Tim. 3:16). The process of bringing a child to maturity…to responsible adulthood. Within the new covenant context it is the process of bringing a child of God unto maturity as a son.
An athlete's body would not always consider the training it is being put through as pleasant. But it is being prepared for things to come, greater things that if it knew it, it would be glad for the momentarily unpleasantness.
When sin no longer matters
How does a christian know they have sinned? The word says the action is sin. Their conscience convicts them there is a problem. There fellowship confronts them that they are in sin.
Their conscience gets seared so they no longer listen to what is good and evil within.
The fellowship no longer care about righteousness and do not believe they can hold fellow believers to account.
The word is split into old covenant or failed law and new convenant, acceptable and open minded.
So now confession of sin is wrong because that is admiting the law matters and is bringing you under a curse.
So the righteous have become unrighteous, those who say they are saved have accepted blindness and total loss.
They assume their children will be good people full of the Lord because they are, rather than sinners in need of a saviour.
They find it impossible to tell the difference between the saved and the lost, and deny there should be any difference at all.
This is when lazy self indulgent wealth meets Gods blessing, and nothing changes, and they die while standing up.
How does a christian know they have sinned? The word says the action is sin. Their conscience convicts them there is a problem. There fellowship confronts them that they are in sin.
Their conscience gets seared so they no longer listen to what is good and evil within.
The fellowship no longer care about righteousness and do not believe they can hold fellow believers to account.
The word is split into old covenant or failed law and new convenant, acceptable and open minded.
So now confession of sin is wrong because that is admiting the law matters and is bringing you under a curse.
So the righteous have become unrighteous, those who say they are saved have accepted blindness and total loss.
They assume their children will be good people full of the Lord because they are, rather than sinners in need of a saviour.
They find it impossible to tell the difference between the saved and the lost, and deny there should be any difference at all.
This is when lazy self indulgent wealth meets Gods blessing, and nothing changes, and they die while standing up.
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FreeNChrist
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So, slander and malice of the people are now acceptable practices in attacking doctrine?..lol...I understand trying to justify the position you take..it's the nature of the beast...
And that would be ...Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession
“Hyper-grace preachers say it’s wrong to confess sins. They say confession is a form of unbelief.” Actually, every hyper-grace preacher believes in the power of confession. We say things like, “confession is good for you,” and “confession is healthy.”
But what is confession?
Like the word repentance, confession is a word that has been mangled in the machinery of manmade religion. Instead of bringing healing to the hurting and life to the dead, confession is seen as the cost of admission into the house of grace. “You wanna be clean? Then ‘fess up you miserable sinner! Tell God your dirty little secrets.” But that’s not what confession is.
To confess literally means to agree with or say the same thing as another.
Biblical confession is agreeing with God. It’s verbalizing faith in His goodness and acknowledging your dependence upon Him (Rom. 10:9–10). It’s saying, “God, I believe You are faithful and true and will do all that You promised.”
But some people have a different definition of confession. They think confession is something you must do to make yourself clean, righteous, and forgiven. “I have to review all my sins to receive forgiveness.”
This is a dead work. Confessing-to-be-forgiven is like washing with dirty water. No matter how hard you scrub you won’t make yourself clean.
Faithless confession puts the focus on you and what you have done, but faith-based confession puts the focus on Christ and what He has done on your behalf.
To see the rest of the article..click on the link below..
Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession – Escape to Reality
“Hyper-grace preachers say it’s wrong to confess sins. They say confession is a form of unbelief.” Actually, every hyper-grace preacher believes in the power of confession. We say things like, “confession is good for you,” and “confession is healthy.”
But what is confession?
Like the word repentance, confession is a word that has been mangled in the machinery of manmade religion. Instead of bringing healing to the hurting and life to the dead, confession is seen as the cost of admission into the house of grace. “You wanna be clean? Then ‘fess up you miserable sinner! Tell God your dirty little secrets.” But that’s not what confession is.
To confess literally means to agree with or say the same thing as another.
Biblical confession is agreeing with God. It’s verbalizing faith in His goodness and acknowledging your dependence upon Him (Rom. 10:9–10). It’s saying, “God, I believe You are faithful and true and will do all that You promised.”
But some people have a different definition of confession. They think confession is something you must do to make yourself clean, righteous, and forgiven. “I have to review all my sins to receive forgiveness.”
This is a dead work. Confessing-to-be-forgiven is like washing with dirty water. No matter how hard you scrub you won’t make yourself clean.
Faithless confession puts the focus on you and what you have done, but faith-based confession puts the focus on Christ and what He has done on your behalf.
To see the rest of the article..click on the link below..
Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession – Escape to Reality
Thsnk you. Thete is a difference between confession, which we as believers need to be doing with God and with each other. It maintains fellowship and intimacy with the Father and with others. Repentence is what we do at the onset of ourcrelationship with God whereby we receive full forgiveness for all our sins---past, present and future.
Put your money where your mouth is. Demonstrate where anyone here has slandered another, or has had malice in their heart towards another. In the latter, you are setting yourself up as a judge of others' intents. That's outside of your pay grade.
Don't kid yourself to think that malice towards false doctrine is wrong, or that speaking against another's teachings are slander. Those misconceptions are the refuge of those whose positions aren't undergirded by the truth.
Do you really want me to go through the threads and document the malice?..I will if you want me too...or we can agree to walk in respect with each other..I can do both..it's your choice....
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Gr8grace
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New American Standard Bible
When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they said to His disciples, "Why is He eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners?"
New American Standard Bible
Both the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble, saying, "This man receives sinners and eats with them."
We need to understand that in Corinth, many believers were influenced by the phallic cult. In their(phallic cult) worship services, they used sex,Idols,booze,foods sacrificed to Idols.
Many believers were being influenced by this evil, so they were being encouraged to disassociate socially (as in friendships) with some.
Some of us can handle going into a bar for a drink and visiting with friends and not sin and be influenced by the evil that MAY be there, some of us can't.
Some of us can handle having a big box of chocolates and not indulge to the point of gluttony, some of us can't.
If a person is pushing their chocolate products on us and we can't handle the chocolate...........we disassociate from them.
We are not called to be hermits, we are called to discern. If something causes us to fall into sin or evil.......we leave.
The humor of God........a grace believer is having a beer and watching football and the legalistic believer rebukes him and disassociates from the grace believer. God protects the Grace believer from the evil of the legalistic believer.