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How do you know? There have been too many cases of people running off with other women, preachers sleeping with people in the worship group.
Let me take Todd Bentley as a typical example. A person called an apostle, anointed by the NAR.
In reality having an affair with one woman in his ministry team at exactly the same time. And what happens. He divorces his wife, and marries this woman. And he is still to be respected? This is 100% sexual immoral behaviour which means this man should never be trusted with leadership again or be thought of as a man of authority.
Take Joyce Meyer. Indulge yourself, go on a shopping spree, get a bargain. This is worldly consumerism, pandering to desire as opposed to doing good, walking righteously.
Now if you understand Jesus and problems of the world, you will see these people as empty vessels.
If you see these people as true spiritual giants, walking in the kingdom, you excuse the sins as minor stumbles.
But that should shock you, that righteousness and truth no longer matter, just this celebrity and selling out to success worldly style. The enemy has bought your soul and all your ability to judge and you do not even know.
I will give you one that comes from the top of my mind while I go through the threads...
Calling people a neon-gnostic Hyper-Greasy--Gracists ....what is this called?..how to build up your brother and sister in Christ??
Calling people a neon-gnostic Hyper-Greasy--Gracists ....what is this called?..how to build up your brother and sister in Christ??
Dear reader, show sin for what it is is now called slander.
But slander is accusing the innocent of sin they did not commit.
The whole Islamic world live by this idea. They have no clue how bad their society is because to find out would be slander.
So a rotting church, with exploitation and hypocracy, should be left alone because the lie is better than righteousness.
I know this reality when two elders in the church had affairs, and it was said nothing should be spoken about this in the congregation. People sin all the time, get into problems, but when you hide it, then the rot spreads. The body matters more than the leadership, leaders come and go, but the body remains. And this is in a church that talks about sin.
Can you imagine a congregation where there are zero standards or confrontation? How dare you judge that brother, who are you to say that is wrong? God did.
But slander is accusing the innocent of sin they did not commit.
The whole Islamic world live by this idea. They have no clue how bad their society is because to find out would be slander.
So a rotting church, with exploitation and hypocracy, should be left alone because the lie is better than righteousness.
I know this reality when two elders in the church had affairs, and it was said nothing should be spoken about this in the congregation. People sin all the time, get into problems, but when you hide it, then the rot spreads. The body matters more than the leadership, leaders come and go, but the body remains. And this is in a church that talks about sin.
Can you imagine a congregation where there are zero standards or confrontation? How dare you judge that brother, who are you to say that is wrong? God did.
Well you were egging me on saying that you loved the labels I was coming up with. However, I realized that I didn't like it, so I changed my behavior and now call it new.modern.hyper grace that is essentially neo-gnostic in spirit.
Thank you for opening my eyes. The answer to Pauls rebuke is these people were truly pagans, so it does not apply.
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
1 Cor 5:11
But look at the passage. Claims to be a brother or sister.
So look at the list provided
Sexually immoral, greedy, idolater, slanderer, drunkard, swindler.
Now none of these things would I expect in believers. In fact to defend such behaviour is to say Paul was wrong.
Now we were talking about standards some time ago. This defence is saying christian acceptable behaviour is below most socially moral people, and is the garbage of the world and should be thrown out. If this is what hyper-grace is I agree with them.
This standard is so far below perfect, for believers who claim perfect is Gods standard, they are truly in and of the world and slaves to sin.
..so in essence you see no problem with doing that sort of thing..is that what you are saying?
The labeling was counterproductive. It plays into the hands of those espousing new.modern.hyper grace. I chose to label it as they do, which varies among devotees.
Is this stuff not malicious spoken to people about their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? There are more but I'm stopping looking as there are more.....but I want to stop..this is not edifying.
I have only one question for you..Is this an acceptable way to call out on your brothers and sisters in Christ?
Are you jacked on Jesus? Tokin' the ghost? Smokin' baby Jesus?
Art thou not the apostle of New/Modern/Hyper Grace here
Are you really that clueless?
No doubt to find the video, but I've known about Crowder for years. Didn't know about the connection between Hyper-GreasyGrace and the Emergent mvmt, though, until GreasyGrace777 fell in love with him. Now it all makes sense.
You can if you're a gnostic, or a neo-gnostic Hyper-GreasyGracist
Hyper-Greasy-Gracers choose B, and twist scripture (especially the two you mentioned) to an astonishing degree to get there
Your Neo-gnostic inspired pseudo-grace is abhorrent.
I have only one question for you..Is this an acceptable way to call out on your brothers and sisters in Christ?
Are you jacked on Jesus? Tokin' the ghost? Smokin' baby Jesus?
Art thou not the apostle of New/Modern/Hyper Grace here
Are you really that clueless?
No doubt to find the video, but I've known about Crowder for years. Didn't know about the connection between Hyper-GreasyGrace and the Emergent mvmt, though, until GreasyGrace777 fell in love with him. Now it all makes sense.
You can if you're a gnostic, or a neo-gnostic Hyper-GreasyGracist
Hyper-Greasy-Gracers choose B, and twist scripture (especially the two you mentioned) to an astonishing degree to get there
Your Neo-gnostic inspired pseudo-grace is abhorrent.
Except for the Greasy-Gracist label that I already told you I stopped using because I felt it was counter-productive, IMO it is very appropriate towards you whom I consider to be a false teacher spreading the neo-gnostic heresy of new.modern.hyper grace amongst the brethren. Malice towards you? No. Loathing and contempt towards what you teach? Absolutely!
I should have said malice towards what you teach. I have extreme malice towards what you teach.
You need to learn the difference between malice towards a person and malice towards a person's message.
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Your malice towards me and others has been proven..even someone in a post scolded you for one of your attacks....I have just been ignoring them but I think this behavior needs to be dealt with now....
... this malice which is towards the people no matter how you try to "justify" it now ...is this behavior is perfectly acceptable ?........if this malice continues I will put you on ignore and report it to the moderators and let them decide if it is appropriate to attack fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord in this manner.
So, again..we can end this by agreeing to show respect as people to each other in the Body of Christ...from the leaders on down to us lay people...what say you my brother?
... this malice which is towards the people no matter how you try to "justify" it now ...is this behavior is perfectly acceptable ?........if this malice continues I will put you on ignore and report it to the moderators and let them decide if it is appropriate to attack fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord in this manner.
So, again..we can end this by agreeing to show respect as people to each other in the Body of Christ...from the leaders on down to us lay people...what say you my brother?
Look, if you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen. My posts towards you are very even keel, opposing what you teach. I make no apologies for that. I take pains to not get emotionally involved and attack you personally. Considering your passive aggressive ad hominem attitude (slander, malice, etc.), and my hundreds of responses to you, I think I do a pretty good job. I'm very careful about that because it would distract from the message and it wouldn't edify me in the least.
If my opposition to your teaching is causing you such consternation, it sounds like the best solution for you is to simply put me on ignore. I have no problem with that. It will cut down on the noise IMO. Make it so #1.
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"For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but under grace" This is good good news. Not opinion but Bible words / solid good news of what Jesus did for us believers. In Christ when He took our sins and we received His righteousness. Both were imputed. Jesus knew no sin, Jesus did no sin. We knew no righteousness, we could do nothing righteous. Imputation is a word all Christians should learn.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.
Now we are told to recon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God. There is a reason He tells us to recon our selves dead to sin and alive to God ., that is who we are now and our minds are to believe that by faith and now walk in our imputed righteousness that God sees us in because of Christ. The more we recon the truth of what happened to us, the more we will be what He calls us to be in and by the power of faith. We walk by faith and not by sight.
And the Bible says we are the righteousness of God in Christ. He has not given us the spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind. We have these things now but we don't always walk them out but that is what we are called to do., Jesus did it all, and we have been crucified with Christ yet we live, yet not us, but it is Christ who lives in us, and the life we now live we live by the faith of the Son of God who loved us and gave Himself for us. It all ties together.
I have no problem with the opposition that comes when people teach to rely on the grace of Christ only. Some do on here go against what is being said but they are not malicious nor personally attack the other person....the opposition is not the issue..it's the malice that is the issue...and you accept it as an acceptable form of communication to brothers and sisters...most do not...
#1 it is then my brother seeing that is what you choose.....I did not want you to be reported to the moderators as you do have good things to say in other areas...and we need you to operate in your gift....as you are sent to be a blessing to all of us in the Body of Christ when you operate within your gifting from Jesus .
...I bless you and your family and look forward to the day when we are with the Lord...worshipping Him. We have a great salvation in Him! He only is our life!
#1 it is then my brother seeing that is what you choose.....I did not want you to be reported to the moderators as you do have good things to say in other areas...and we need you to operate in your gift....as you are sent to be a blessing to all of us in the Body of Christ when you operate within your gifting from Jesus .
...I bless you and your family and look forward to the day when we are with the Lord...worshipping Him. We have a great salvation in Him! He only is our life!
Look, I told you to document personal attacks, and you haven't done so. What you presented was lame. That's because I don't attack people. I oppose ideas when necessary, and with you it is virtually always necessary.
All you're trying to do is be divisive. You can't stand the withering heat of my opposition, so you resort to trying to malign me as being filled with malice and slander in order to try to stir up the brethren against me. We've seen it before.
- Stir up trouble
- Blame it on someone else
- Offer a solution
There is nothing new or hyper about God's grace. What's new is that finally people are receiving His revelation about grace in these last days. How freeing it is for millions of people! Get in on this revelation and find yourself free in Christ!
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I've known GOD's grace and been free for a long time. This 'new revelation of grace' is just rehashed gnosticism.