The Vietnam War

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If you're hinting that American children wouldn't be fighting if a big bad invader like Russia or China came here, I believe you're sadly mistaken. Yeah the Vietnamese did some nasty stuff during the fight, but there shouldn't have been a fight to begin with. That's like when cops say that drugs cause all of these violent crimes. They don't. It's the fact that they are illegal that causes the crimes.
I can hardly believe you said that.

Alcohol is legal, and look at all the crime that is committed because people surrender their judgment to that. Did someone tell you that druggies just put flowers in their hair, and sit around singing Kumbaya?
 
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I can hardly believe you said that.

Alcohol is legal, and look at all the crime that is committed because people surrender their judgment to that. Did someone tell you that druggies just put flowers in their hair, and sit around singing Kumbaya?
People don't commit violent crimes because they are drunk. People commit violent crimes WHILE they are drunk. The problem is already there, the drinking might bring it out a little quicker.

Anyway I was talking about the trafficking and trade violence involving drugs (as that is WAY more prevalent than the crack head who kills someone once in a while)

Dealers slaughter each other (and people in the wrong place at the wrong time) over botched Marijuana deals in Texas all the time. None of that junk is happening in Colorado now is it?
 

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Bushido8000;2437501[B said:
]People don't commit violent crimes because they are drunk[/B]. People commit violent crimes WHILE they are drunk. The problem is already there, the drinking might bring it out a little quicker.

Seriously? You DO KNOW that being drunk impairs a persons ability to reason and loosens their inhibitions which leads them to do things they would not normally do if they were sober. Same with any drug.........

You really are SO NOT an expert on such issues.
 

Dude653

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I imagine people joined the military for a number of reasons. ... same as today. Many were drafted so the only alternative was prison or flee the country. I imagine sime join the military to escape poverty. Some join out of family tradition. I agree that our involvement in Vietnam was unnecessary but to bad mouth those who had to endure it is just unnecessary
 

blue_ladybug

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People don't commit violent crimes because they are drunk. People commit violent crimes WHILE they are drunk. The problem is already there, the drinking might bring it out a little quicker.

Anyway I was talking about the trafficking and trade violence involving drugs (as that is WAY more prevalent than the crack head who kills someone once in a while)

Dealers slaughter each other (and people in the wrong place at the wrong time) over botched Marijuana deals in Texas all the time. None of that junk is happening in Colorado now is it?

It happens here in Vermont.. just saying.. Barre and Burlington are notorious for drug deals.. :/
 

Oncefallen

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People don't commit violent crimes because they are drunk. People commit violent crimes WHILE they are drunk. The problem is already there, the drinking might bring it out a little quicker.

Anyway I was talking about the trafficking and trade violence involving drugs (as that is WAY more prevalent than the crack head who kills someone once in a while)

Dealers slaughter each other (and people in the wrong place at the wrong time) over botched Marijuana deals in Texas all the time. None of that junk is happening in Colorado now is it?
You can't discuss drug crime without discussing ALL drug related crimes.

Sure, there is a given amount of violent crime involved with drug traffic between competing dealers protecting territories, but the amount of crime that takes place at the hands of users trying to come up with money for their next dose is staggering.

PS. the marijuana black market here in Colorado is still thriving, it's just more difficult for law enforcement to catch and prosecute the offenders now.
 

Dude653

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Have any of you read "Johnny Got His Gun"?. It was written in the thirties as a war protest novel but it became popular in the Vietnam era. It talks a lot about the futility of war. That book really shook me up.
 
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I would say soldiers need a better excuse than "what I went through was crappy and I was just following orders so you need to be quiet".

An individual ALWAYS has an obligation to follow morality, even if that means disobeying orders and going to prison.

That being said, I think most soldiers believed the lie that they were fighting for freedom instead of believing the hippies, and that makes them good people but their actions very wrong.

Defense is just, Murder isn't.
If you didn't do it, walk that mile then talk your talk. It will have varied for sure.
 
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This war has been immortalized in TV specials, documentaries, movies, speeches, and more. But most of these stories were exaggerated. So what is the truth? Was the was necessary? And why were American Soldiers treated poorly by the hippies and protesters?
It was a 60's war fought with a 50's mentality -- stop the advancement of communism. Well what do you know, today's democrat leaders in Washington are communists. So much for the Vietnam War. And my words are spoken with the absolute, utmost, unequivocal respect for our Vietnam Veterans. Its the swine who ran that war that I despise with every fiber of my soul, as well as today's democrat leaders.
 
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Beyond what we are taught and told this is all the men (all drafted) in my family whom did return have ever said in regards to it. "I love you and do not want to discuss it ever."
 
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I was just a kid at the time but I remember hearing about the fighting in the news. Every night they would say where the fighting was taking place and how many US soldiers were either killed or missing in action. Some of my classmates had fathers over there and we were too young to even know what war was. I don't know if any of them lost their dads, but to me this is the kind of thing that should always be dealt with the utmost respect.
 
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I was just a kid at the time but I remember hearing about the fighting in the news. Every night they would say where the fighting was taking place and how many US soldiers were either killed or missing in action. Some of my classmates had fathers over there and we were too young to even know what war was. I don't know if any of them lost their dads, but to me this is the kind of thing that should always be dealt with the utmost respect.
Amen to this.
 

Dude653

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If you can't support our troops, please leave this country. I will personally donate to your ticket out.
 
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If you can't support our troops, please leave this country. I will personally donate to your ticket out.
Just curious, would you respect and support "our boys" in blue and "our boys" in military uniform enough to hand your guns over to them when the President finally gives the order? Because that's whose going to be coming. Congress doesn't make house calls.
 

p_rehbein

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Just curious, would you respect and support "our boys" in blue and "our boys" in military uniform enough to hand your guns over to them when the President finally gives the order? Because that's whose going to be coming. Congress doesn't make house calls.

Pure speculation and biased............... The President can not give such an order.............trolling again
 
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This war has been immortalized in TV specials, documentaries, movies, speeches, and more. But most of these stories were exaggerated. So what is the truth? Was the was necessary? And why were American Soldiers treated poorly by the hippies and protesters?
Pssst, that generation that lived through it isn't dead. Feel free to find some and ask. (The "Old Guys" at the VA hospital remember it well.) The movies (Apocalypse Now, Platoon) were acid trips gone bad. As real to anything as purple rain. Hippies treated them badly? Might want to check that one out too. Many of the hippies had already gone.

Was it necessary? The whole point was to stop wide-spread communism. Vietnamese didn't want communism. But the politicians can't seem to help but aim for the one and only thing they want out of life -- to remain politicians by getting re-elected, so they dragged their feet (and, according to the guy making that long-winded speech tonight on national TV, then get the next party member elected.) If politicians went back to letting military leaders lead, most the wars we have could be won much quicker. Only thing politicians are supposed to decide is if we go to war. If they vote yes, then dagnabit! Pay for it!

(I went through and then worked for a drug rehab center in the 1970's. Trust me. It's often worse than you hear.)
 
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Those hippies and protesters are todays liberals...go figure :cool:
Actually, I like this saying, "If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain."

Of all the hippies I've ever met in later life, most of them are conservative now, (including the one I married. lol)
 
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No we didn't need to fight it. The soldiers got treated poorly because instead of fighting for freedom, they were murdering villages of women and children so fat cats in Washington could have their political agendas advanced, just like the troops are doing for Obama in Syria.

This will probably be the only truth you will see in this thread lol.

Preparing for angry statists in 3...2...1...

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Another kid forgot to grow up after being well indoctrinated in the public schools. lol