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PoetMary, Catholicism teaches Mary is our Mediator.
#969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."
1 Timothy 2:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
Clearly God does say there is only ONE Mediator between God and men. The Catholic Church teaches Mary is also our Mediator.
This DOES prove the Catholic Church today is NOT a True Church but a false Church following the teachings of Satan and not the Truths from God PoetMary.
Repent PoetMary, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before its too late.
#969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."
1 Timothy 2:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
Clearly God does say there is only ONE Mediator between God and men. The Catholic Church teaches Mary is also our Mediator.
This DOES prove the Catholic Church today is NOT a True Church but a false Church following the teachings of Satan and not the Truths from God PoetMary.
Repent PoetMary, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before its too late.
Its a shame on epostle to believe and teach their are Truths outside of God that God does not have.
Do you see how the Catholics like epostle HATE the Word of God and claim only they have Truths that God does not have!
You are NOT God epostle.
All you do is parrot the false teachings of the Catholic Church. Have you ever read the Scriptures epostle asking the Holy Spirit to show you what He says?
Do you see how the Catholics like epostle HATE the Word of God and claim only they have Truths that God does not have!
You are NOT God epostle.
All you do is parrot the false teachings of the Catholic Church. Have you ever read the Scriptures epostle asking the Holy Spirit to show you what He says?
I read your statement, then I re-read it, then I read it again.
Then someone else read it to me, then they re-read it to me, then they read it to me again . . .
And its been confirmed; your statement is absurd beyond description.
Sure glad there's no such thing as deaf Catholics. I know, I know, interpreters, blah, blah, blah . . .
Then someone else read it to me, then they re-read it to me, then they read it to me again . . .
And its been confirmed; your statement is absurd beyond description.
Sure glad there's no such thing as deaf Catholics. I know, I know, interpreters, blah, blah, blah . . .
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Scripture tells us that the circumference divided by the ratio is 3 (1Kings 7: 23-26); which is an accurate number given significant figures of one, two or three. However, a more precise measurement of pi would yield 3.14.... and it would go on indefinite as pi is an irrational number.
It would be as irrational to claim the Bible contains all truth as to claim pi is not irrational.
Does the Bible contain instruction on how to sign on to this website?
My name is Jesus, and I am the firstborn of Joseph and Mary; but I am not the Christ. I was born on Cuban soil the year Fidel Castro came to power. The Holy Spirit put a simian crease on my left palm before birth as a reminder to me that I was brought to faith by a mentally retarded teenager later on (1974). All of those statements are true, and all were predetermined by the Holy Spirit and the rest of the Trinity before the foundations of timespace were laid, but none is in the Bible.
To claim that all truth is in Scripture is not only absurd, is is contra-Scripture: John 21:[SUP]25 [/SUP]And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written.
If I do not believe God is God then neither does Paul nee Saul as he wrote in the first chapter to the Romans: [SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth [SUP][l][/SUP]in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because that which is known about God is evident [SUP][m][/SUP]within them; for God made it evident to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For even though they knew God, they did not [SUP][n][/SUP]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
So you see, even those who have not the Scriptures know of God as the Truth of His being is revealed to them from both nature and their conscience, leaving all without excuse.
Now I am going to speak as a foolish man and boast to make the point clear. I spent 2.5 years studying a single verse of the Bible, Titus 1:12, to gain a slight understanding of how those without the Scriptures have a witness from God. Have you spent time to that extent in the Scriptures? I still have 2 exhaustive concordances, greek dictionaries, lexicons and all manner of paraphernalia from the days before software like Logos and e-Sword which I now use to chase down the Hebrew and Greek when I study Scripture. Do you have such study habits? I could go on and on, but the point is simple: I bow before Scripture, I fully subscribe to the Chicago statement of Biblical Inerrancy, my belief in sola Scriptura is as that of the reformers.
Do not confuse me for a liberal, and I will not confuse you for an ....
It would be as irrational to claim the Bible contains all truth as to claim pi is not irrational.
Does the Bible contain instruction on how to sign on to this website?
My name is Jesus, and I am the firstborn of Joseph and Mary; but I am not the Christ. I was born on Cuban soil the year Fidel Castro came to power. The Holy Spirit put a simian crease on my left palm before birth as a reminder to me that I was brought to faith by a mentally retarded teenager later on (1974). All of those statements are true, and all were predetermined by the Holy Spirit and the rest of the Trinity before the foundations of timespace were laid, but none is in the Bible.
To claim that all truth is in Scripture is not only absurd, is is contra-Scripture: John 21:[SUP]25 [/SUP]And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written.
If I do not believe God is God then neither does Paul nee Saul as he wrote in the first chapter to the Romans: [SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth [SUP][l][/SUP]in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because that which is known about God is evident [SUP][m][/SUP]within them; for God made it evident to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For even though they knew God, they did not [SUP][n][/SUP]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
So you see, even those who have not the Scriptures know of God as the Truth of His being is revealed to them from both nature and their conscience, leaving all without excuse.
Now I am going to speak as a foolish man and boast to make the point clear. I spent 2.5 years studying a single verse of the Bible, Titus 1:12, to gain a slight understanding of how those without the Scriptures have a witness from God. Have you spent time to that extent in the Scriptures? I still have 2 exhaustive concordances, greek dictionaries, lexicons and all manner of paraphernalia from the days before software like Logos and e-Sword which I now use to chase down the Hebrew and Greek when I study Scripture. Do you have such study habits? I could go on and on, but the point is simple: I bow before Scripture, I fully subscribe to the Chicago statement of Biblical Inerrancy, my belief in sola Scriptura is as that of the reformers.
Do not confuse me for a liberal, and I will not confuse you for an ....
You seem to be somewhat educated, and you did not get that way by simply listening to others all your life, but instead, you most definitely did some READING on your own. So why would you not support READING the most important book in all creation? Scripture clearly teaches us to meditate on His Word.
Happy are those who do not follow the advice of the wicked,
or take the path that sinners tread, or sit in the seat of scoffers;
but their delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law they meditate day and night.
Meditating equates to READING.
Happy are those who do not follow the advice of the wicked,
or take the path that sinners tread, or sit in the seat of scoffers;
but their delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law they meditate day and night.
Meditating equates to READING.
It's not the Church's fault , and the aspirin analogy is a good one. It's not my fault you don't understand analogy. Maybe you should sit down with a good priest over lunch, and ask him all your questions. But bear in mind priests don't waste their precious time arguing with arrogant anti-Catholics who know everything.
If they don't willingly reject God and His mercy and love, yes. I won't give in to your demand of bumper sticker theology so a one word answer just ain't gonna cut it.
Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."[SUP]269[/SUP] The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism[SUP]270[/SUP] - do not occur without human sin:
Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.[SUP]271[/SUP]818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."[SUP]272[/SUP]
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"[SUP]273[/SUP] are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."[SUP]274[/SUP] Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,[SUP]275[/SUP] and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."[SUP]276[/SUP]
Toward unity
820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."[SUP]277[/SUP] Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me."[SUP]278[/SUP] The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.[SUP]279
The Church hands an olive branch to Protestantism and look what we get in return, a continuation of the same old 15th century canards: lies, misrepresentations and persecution. The latest fad is a one world religion. What a joke.
Now I'll give you a one word answer, backed by official documentation (that you never give).
Yes. [/SUP]
If they don't willingly reject God and His mercy and love, yes. I won't give in to your demand of bumper sticker theology so a one word answer just ain't gonna cut it.
Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."[SUP]269[/SUP] The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism[SUP]270[/SUP] - do not occur without human sin:
Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.[SUP]271[/SUP]818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."[SUP]272[/SUP]
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"[SUP]273[/SUP] are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."[SUP]274[/SUP] Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,[SUP]275[/SUP] and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."[SUP]276[/SUP]
Toward unity
820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."[SUP]277[/SUP] Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me."[SUP]278[/SUP] The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.[SUP]279
The Church hands an olive branch to Protestantism and look what we get in return, a continuation of the same old 15th century canards: lies, misrepresentations and persecution. The latest fad is a one world religion. What a joke.
Now I'll give you a one word answer, backed by official documentation (that you never give).
Yes. [/SUP]
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It most certainly is the Catholic Church's fault. If the church shared the Truth of God's love and grace rather than wrongfully placing heretical burdens upon the hearts and minds of its parishioners then the people wouldn't live in such despair.
No worries epostle, keep blaming the rape victim rather than the rapist.
No worries epostle, keep blaming the rape victim rather than the rapist.
Somebody has to read it, or nobody would know what it said! Depending on others to give us the understanding we are to receive from the Holy Spirit of God is a role the Roman Catholic church took upon themselves and forced upon those who depended upon them to rightly divide the Word. Thank God there was rebellion against the RCC when it was discovered the church was being teaching error and holding people in bondage. Of course those who hold to the RCC teachings object to being shown their error. Scripture addresses this.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved
darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved
darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Three Bible readings a day is far more than you get in your church once a week, including the weekly bible study group.
Again, insults with no evidence. I've had enough of your blind prejudice and bigotry, you are incapable of meaningful dialogue and a waste of my time. Like my previous post suggests, the difference between you and the ISIS is one of degree. You want to ignore everything I said? Fine. May God convict and heal you of your bigotry.
Again, insults with no evidence. I've had enough of your blind prejudice and bigotry, you are incapable of meaningful dialogue and a waste of my time. Like my previous post suggests, the difference between you and the ISIS is one of degree. You want to ignore everything I said? Fine. May God convict and heal you of your bigotry.
In all fairness, even all non-Catholics don't exactly adhere to this idea that "those who do [acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior] shall be saved, those who don't, won't." For example, there are people who claim that certain groups of charismatics aren't saved, even though those people would claim that Jesus is their Lord and Savior. And there are (some groups) of charismatics that claim that if you don't evidence the Holy Spirit via the speaking of tongues then you aren't really saved, even if you say that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. Additionally, there are non-Catholics who would say that if a person acknowledges Jesus as Lord and Savior, but then proceeds to sin in a big way that person was never really saved. Heck, I've even been told by people that I am not saved, even though I readily acknowledge that Jesus is my Lord and Savior.
I'm not implying that anyone should *agree* with the Catholic view. I'm merely explaining that Catholics often find it far too bold and uppity when people claim "this person is saved and that person is not saved." They have a strong view of God's sovereignty. Since GOD determines who is and isn't saved, then mere humans cannot answer with 100% certainty about who and who isn't saved. This is why many Catholics when asked, "Are you saved?" might respond with something like, "By the grace of God" or "I hope to be in heaven one day." Both answers sound very weak to the ears of some non-Catholics and they'll presume that the Catholic doesn't really know the gospel or doesn't really love and acknowledge Jesus. Part of the miscommunication has to do with cultural conventions about HOW our faith is communicated.
As someone who is very familiar with non-Catholic groups, even I struggle with this. Sometimes I get irritated that if I don't say something using just the right Christian jargon of the moment (and I've been a Christian long enough to have seen this change over time), then I'll get told I'm not saved or be attacked in some way. I do find it interesting that people don't have a spirit of inquiry. A lot can be solved by asking the right questions and listening.
For example, a non-Catholic says to a Catholic, "Are Muslims going to heaven?" The Catholic (who doesn't want to pretend to be God and act as if he knows the spiritual fate of every soul) might say, "I don't know." THEN the non-Catholic says, "Wait...are you saying that BEING MUSLIM saves you?" The vast majority of Catholics I know (as well as the doctrines of the church) would say, "No...Only Jesus Christ can save." So the disagreement isn't WHO does the saving, but it's about our limitations in figuring out who is actually saved.
And again, even non-Catholics argue about this.
I'm not implying that anyone should *agree* with the Catholic view. I'm merely explaining that Catholics often find it far too bold and uppity when people claim "this person is saved and that person is not saved." They have a strong view of God's sovereignty. Since GOD determines who is and isn't saved, then mere humans cannot answer with 100% certainty about who and who isn't saved. This is why many Catholics when asked, "Are you saved?" might respond with something like, "By the grace of God" or "I hope to be in heaven one day." Both answers sound very weak to the ears of some non-Catholics and they'll presume that the Catholic doesn't really know the gospel or doesn't really love and acknowledge Jesus. Part of the miscommunication has to do with cultural conventions about HOW our faith is communicated.
As someone who is very familiar with non-Catholic groups, even I struggle with this. Sometimes I get irritated that if I don't say something using just the right Christian jargon of the moment (and I've been a Christian long enough to have seen this change over time), then I'll get told I'm not saved or be attacked in some way. I do find it interesting that people don't have a spirit of inquiry. A lot can be solved by asking the right questions and listening.
For example, a non-Catholic says to a Catholic, "Are Muslims going to heaven?" The Catholic (who doesn't want to pretend to be God and act as if he knows the spiritual fate of every soul) might say, "I don't know." THEN the non-Catholic says, "Wait...are you saying that BEING MUSLIM saves you?" The vast majority of Catholics I know (as well as the doctrines of the church) would say, "No...Only Jesus Christ can save." So the disagreement isn't WHO does the saving, but it's about our limitations in figuring out who is actually saved.
And again, even non-Catholics argue about this.
