still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?

Sinnerman · Jan 12, 2016

What is wrong with you? the plane flew into the Pentagon in broad daylight, with actual human eyewitnesses standing nearby, watching it happen. The plane didn't fly two feet off the ground for twenty miles. It slightly scrapped the ground just a millisecond before it struck the Pentagon. It had been descending dramatically prior, just like commercial airliners do as they come to landing fields. Go ahead and post those "many" videos of 757 pilots saying and showing the maneuvers done by the plane could not be done. Put up or please shut up.

The hole in the side of the Pentagon looked like the wings did not penetrate the heavily reinforced concrete walls. It's called structural science. The wings sheered off. The bulkier fuselage had tremendous momentum and the speed allowed it to penetrate through numerous walls. Thousands of people were at the scene. They discovered thousands of pieces of evidence, including plane parts and luggage and human pieces and jewelry and clothing.

There is never real evidence to support conspiracy theories, They like to pretend there is. They always talk about experts that told them something was impossible and they see that as proof enough. It doesn't matter if 20,000 other 757 pilots came forward saying there was nothing unusual or extraordinary about the approach path the airliner took. All you need is one drunk former pilot to say otherwise and it's off to the conspiracy races you go.

At least you are somewhat contained here on the conspiracy forum, where you can do the least damage to the reputation of the site. Perhaps the moderator will institute a new rule that will only allow you to post on this one forum and never spread your insanity to the other forums.

blue_ladybug · Jan 12, 2016

Too late. The other forums were already insane before the conspiracy theorists got here..lol

GaryA · Jan 12, 2016

Sinnerman said:

"I do not recall hearing anyone say that there were two sheered-off airplane wings found outside the building on the grounds --- or anywhere else, for that matter..."

blondieindahouse · Jan 12, 2016

Sinnerman said:

What is wrong with you? the plane flew into the Pentagon in broad daylight, with actual human eyewitnesses standing nearby, watching it happen. The plane didn't fly two feet off the ground for twenty miles. It slightly scrapped the ground just a millisecond before it struck the Pentagon. It had been descending dramatically prior, just like commercial airliners do as they come to landing fields. Go ahead and post those "many" videos of 757 pilots saying and showing the maneuvers done by the plane could not be done. Put up or please shut up.

The hole in the side of the Pentagon looked like the wings did not penetrate the heavily reinforced concrete walls. It's called structural science. The wings sheered off. The bulkier fuselage had tremendous momentum and the speed allowed it to penetrate through numerous walls. Thousands of people were at the scene. They discovered thousands of pieces of evidence, including plane parts and luggage and human pieces and jewelry and clothing.

There is never real evidence to support conspiracy theories, They like to pretend there is. They always talk about experts that told them something was impossible and they see that as proof enough. It doesn't matter if 20,000 other 757 pilots came forward saying there was nothing unusual or extraordinary about the approach path the airliner took. All you need is one drunk former pilot to say otherwise and it's off to the conspiracy races you go.

At least you are somewhat contained here on the conspiracy forum, where you can do the least damage to the reputation of the site. Perhaps the moderator will institute a new rule that will only allow you to post on this one forum and never spread your insanity to the other forums.

[video=youtube_share;5cFewUG3rSY]http://youtu.be/5cFewUG3rSY[/video]

blondieindahouse · Jan 12, 2016

You sure do spin some tall tales there dont you?! LOL
Prove it!

Sinnerman · Jan 12, 2016

blondieindahouse said:

I live in a major metropolitan area. There is an airport near downtown. Hundreds of plane land and take off every day. They are seen by hundreds of thousands of people from the homes, their place of work, from parks and while walking down sidewalks or riding bikes. The plane that flew into the Pentagon was seen by many many people. It happened in a highly populated area. Just like the planes that flew into the WTC towers. They were seen and even filmed as they struck. Police and fire arrived quickly at the Pentagon to extinguish the fires. Afterwards, evidence was gathered at the scene. None of it was missile parts. Your video is nonsense. It doesn't show a missile. The hole is what is to be expected. The fuselage had enough energy and mass to puncture the heavily reinforced walls. The wings did not. They sheered off and mostly disintegrated on impact, just like most of flight 93 did as it cratered into the ground in Pennsylvania.

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Sinnerman · Jan 12, 2016

blondieindahouse said:

Pentagon

Central to many conspiracy claims is the idea that American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon on 9/11. Does this stand up to scrutiny?

An emergency drill covering the crash of a hijacked plane into the Pentagon took place in October 2000
And the exercise was authored by Flight 77 pilot Charles Burlingame
Why did Flight 77 make a complicated 330-degree turn around the Pentagon, before hitting it in an area that had recently been reinforced?
Washington Air Traffic Controllers thought the plane was a military jet
Flight 77 should have been shot down by the Pentagons missile batteries
Flight 77 could not have smashed through all three Pentagon rings
CNN reporter Jamie McIntyre said: "there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon"
There was no wreckage identifiable as coming from a 757
The Pentagon lawn was quickly covered in sand and gravel. What were they trying to hide?
Tell-tale remains of the real plane that hit the Pentagon were placed in a box, covered in a blue tarpaulin, and quickly moved away
How could the passengers bodies be identified, when the plane was destroyed by fire?
Where were the passengers luggage and personal effects?
Related links

Any comments from the conspiracy peanut gallery? Try to understand that all of this evidence that debunks your wild fantasies about 9/11 is available to all of you. You pretend to be searching for truth yet you refuse to analyze all the evidence that totally debunks these insane internet conspiracy theories. You live in a world of your own, full of denial. How do you even function day to day in the real world, being married and raising families?

Well, go ahead and click on each link, especially the 757 wreckage link, and then see what you think.

GaryA · Jan 12, 2016

Sinnerman said:

So -- an entire airplane wing - within a very small fraction of a second after being sheered off of an airplane ( or, as it is being sheered off of an airplane

) - and, slamming against an outer Pentagon wall -- will "mostly disintegrate"...??? And, without causing any distinctive damage marks on the wall...???

"Wow -- that is some kind of wall..."

What caused [ both wings ] to [ "magically" ] disintegrate?

Did the wall absorb them? swallow them whole? eat-them-for-lunch? ... what...???

( "And you say others are highly imaginative..."

)

sydlit · Jan 13, 2016

Gary, brother, come on, man. 15 years and your still buying into this conspiracy nonsense? Do you really, REALLY, think this was some kind of insideous plot BY America AGAINST Americans?! REALLY?!?!
Come on, you're not some airheaded kid on a college campus, are you?
I'm sure Jesus wants you using the brains He gave you for greater things. You're better than this.

Btw, they ARE some kinda walls. After all,
they're the main headquarters of the
Department of Defense, of the most
powerful military on the face of the planet
(No thanks to the present administration.)
It's quite the building, you should visit it if you can.
It will inspire or intimidate, depending upon
one's view of our country. God bless.

Brainfreeze · Jan 13, 2016

sydlit said:

Gary, brother, come on, man. 15 years and your still buying into this conspiracy nonsense? Do you really, REALLY, think this was some kind of insideous plot BY America AGAINST Americans?! REALLY?!?!
Come on, you're not some airheaded kid on a college campus, are you?
I'm sure Jesus wants you using the brains He gave you for greater things. You're better than this.

Btw, they ARE some kinda walls. After all,
they're the main headquarters of the
Department of Defense, of the most
powerful military on the face of the planet
(No thanks to the present administration.)
It's quite the building, you should visit it if you can.
It will inspire or intimidate, depending upon
one's view of our country. God bless.

You think everyone has allegiance to America ...do you ?

GaryA · Jan 13, 2016

sydlit said:

Unless you are going to convince me that there was a layer of "transparent aluminum" ( think Star Trek ) covering the outer brick layer of the building -- I rather think that the wing of an airplane - "front edge first" - moving at [ any ] airplane flying speed - would have not only left permanent marks on the wall - but, would have removed bricks from the wall... ( i.e. - "minimal damage" )

You are correct about one thing -- God did give me "a good brain"...

And, He has given me an exceeding(-ly) good ability ( more than most folks ) to know how to use it properly in perceiving, understanding, and assimilating knowledge / precepts / concepts of physics / mechanics / electronics / etc. In short, I understand a lot more than the average person about how things work. And, what can and cannot happen in certain situations. And, what is and is not likely to occur in certain scenarios. Things like that...

By no means am I fool-proof or do I know-it-all - "heck no" - however, [ to put it this way ] "I do know a lot of stuff..."

Oh - I don't mean to boast -- I already know full-well that I could not even so much as think ( or breath, or ... ) without God. I gladly give Him the glory...

There is something else that He has given me --- a desire to know the truth -- "pretty much no matter what" - "even if it hurts"...

"Want to know what I have discovered in my half-century-plus lifetime of learning...?"

~ God is brilliant!

~ Satan is evil!

In order for someone to really be able to discern the truth about pretty-much-anything-these-days, they have to be able to "forget" everything they know ( temporarily "put it aside" or "put it on hold" ) while examining a point-of-truth -- because, almost everything they know -- what they have been taught all of their life -- about the world they live in -- is wrong - in error - not true. I know this sounds "fantastic" -- but it is true. The evidence is overwhelming! But, you will never see it as long as you are not willing to see it. And, before you can ever be able to "escape the MATRIX" -- you MUST swallow your PRIDE and allow yourself to believe in the possibility that it could be true. If you cannot do this, you will "forever be imprisoned" ( until you die ) by the CRAP that Satan has been spoon-feeding you all of your life -- and, you will never be able to see the painfully obvious -- which you have been trained all of your life not to see...

Most people "have no earthly idea" just how much the storyline of the movie The Matrix is an echo of our reality. No - I am not saying that your body is really in a pod-of-goo somewhere. That is just Hollywood fiction. However, the part that illustrates the virtually-complete control of the population by an "unknown" conspiratorial group -- is VERY real. Believe-it-or-not. Your entire life has been - to a very great extent - much more than you know or would be generally inclined to believe - "guided" and "controlled" by a real conspiratorial group of Satan-worshipers who want only to rule the world...

It is not "BY America AGAINST Americans" -- it is "BY the 'illuminati' AGAINST the world"...

Anyone who is seriously searching for the truth -- like 'Neo' in the movie -- can be "brought out" of the MATRIX by those of us who have "escaped"; however, those who mock the opportunity we are trying to give them to be able to see it for themselves -- may-as-well-be-in-a-pod-of-goo-somewhere - because, they refuse to use their eyes to see...

It is part of our human nature that makes us not want to believe that we can be deceived to such a level / depth / degree. However, before we can see the [ real ] truth -- we have to swallow our pride -- and come to believe that - not only can we be deceived to such a level / depth / degree - but also that we have been...

You have been...

All of your life...

Believe it!

Sinnerman · Jan 13, 2016

GaryA said:

I do not work for the agency that investigates airplane crashes. I have no idea how flight 93 dove into the ground in Pennsylvania and the wings and fuselage and passengers and just about everything else just seem to be absorbed by the ground. I wasn't there and for those who investigated the crash sites, there was plenty of debris, just not many large pieces of plane that were easily identifiable. However, all you had to do is click on the link and view the dozen or so pictures of the debris laying all around the Pentagon to know it was flight 77 that stuck it. Yet, you are doing what all conspiracy nuts do. You are obsessing on one thing that has been thoroughly explained, again and again. I've been reading how the 9/11 "truthers" have almost all gone into hiding. It turns out that if you provide them with proof of their ignorant beliefs over and over again, they eventually figure it out. I'll post the Popular Mechanics article debunkiking your silly Pentagon fantasy.

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HQ Attack: Taken three days after 9/11, this photo shows the extent of the damage to the Pentagon, consistent with a fiery plane crash. (Photograph by Department of Defense)
The Pentagon
At 9:37 am on 9/11, 51 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon was similarly attacked. Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon.
[h=3]Big Plane, Small Holes[/h]Claim: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile—part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."

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Hole Truth: Flight 77's landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagon's Ring C. (Photograph by Department of Defense)
FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide—not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.
[h=3]Intact Windows[/h]Claim: Many Pentagon windows remained in one piece—even those just above the point of impact from the Boeing 757 passenger plane. Pentagonstrike.co.uk, an online animation widely circulated in the United States and Europe, claims that photographs showing "intact windows" directly above the crash site prove "a missile" or "a craft much smaller than a 757" struck the Pentagon.
FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that's what the windows were supposed to do—they're blast-resistant.
"A blast-resistant window must be designed to resist a force significantly higher than a hurricane that's hitting instantaneously," says Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows. Some were knocked out of the walls by the crash and the outer ring's later collapse. "They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force," Hays notes. "They were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did: [Before the collapse] the blinds were still stacked neatly behind the window glass."
[h=3]Flight 77 Debris[/h]Claim: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

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Aftermath: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagon's lawn—proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. (Photograph by AP/Wide World Photos)
FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

Sinnerman · Jan 13, 2016

GaryA said:

You are certifiably nuts. The Matrix is your reference point? Holy cow!

I'll dumb this down as much as I possibly can. Flight 77 came in low. It was slightly unlevel. One wing hit the ground just before the plane hit the Pentagon. That wing was destroyed and parts of it were spread around the ground, as seen in the pictures provided. The remainder of the aircraft struck the building, doing significant damage and creating a 75 foot wide hole. The smaller hole conspiracy nuts focus their attention on is the interior of the Pentagon marking the furthest point inward the fuselage went. They love posting pictures of that hole and firing up other dumb people who can't do even the least amount of investigating the facts, sort of like you. So, in conclusion, the building was damaged a lot. Enough to collapse the building at some point, despite it being one of the strongest built buildings ever constructed. This is all simple to grasp. Investigations have studied the scene extensively. They released the information to the public. I just posted some of the findings from Popular Mechanics. It just doesn't seem to penetrate the brains of conspiracy nuts. They steer clear of actual facts. They want nothing to do with it. What's next for you? Are you going to tell me a guy on the internet said he was a spy who overheard some generals saying they were going to overthrow the U.S. government on 9/11?

How do you guys grasp hold of a missile conspiracy and fully explain where flight 77 went with all of those passengers? Let me guess, they are all in the Bermuda Triangle. Does it concern you at all that you have no way to explain away flight 77? But you can spend days and days discussing wings of the plane and convince yourself the damage was insufficient to meet your rigorous standards of investigation. Sorry, people who investigate plane crashes for 30 years or more studied the crash site and felt the damage was very consistent with the plane crashing into the Pentagon. Now I want you to comment on the pictures of the damage and the pictures of the plane debris and tell me a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

sydlit · Jan 13, 2016

Brainfreeze said:

What a stupid question.
You think everyone believes childish
hollywood conspiracy BS ...do you?

Btw, if you're gonna quote scripture in your sig,
You might want to pay closer attention to to it yourself.

John8:32 is often abused, and using it the way you do
only helps continue the error. For instance...
"And ye shall know the truth..."?
Really? What truth?
The conspiracy theory truths? The evolution truth?
The hollywood matrix truth, (whatever that is)?
The verse starts with 'AND' ... implying something
preceeded it that is probably important.
Like the Word of God. (We'll see in a minute).
But the second part says,
"and the truth shall make you free".
Will it? How?
Again, what 'truth'?
Just knowing the truth about something
doesn't mean one is set free.
Set free How? Free from what?
One person believes a conspiracy 'truth', another
believes the opposite as truth. Big deal. Who's free?

But JESUS, (He IS The Truth, and He IS The Word of God)
'Said ... (v.31)... to those Jews which believed on Him,
IF you continue (abide) in MY WORD,
THEN you are MY disciples indeed;
AND! (there's the 'And' from v.32)
And (Then) you shall know THE TRUTH,
and (Then) THE TRUTH shall make you free'.

Do you see how the 'IF' and the 'THEN' are linked,
and must be before the 'AND' of v.32?
Jesus wants us abiding in Him, in His Word,
And HE will set us free...from sin and lies
and the devil's deceptions.

It's often important to convey the whole thought
or passage, not just a portion of it.
This is important to avoid a slippery slope,
which can start out small, but get
twisted into a full-blown pack of lies.
Perhaps this is how the truth, of how
foreign dirtbag terrorist murders, gets twisted
into bogus domestic conspiracy baloney.
This should be expected from the world
and the devil, but we as 'christians'
should know better, shouldn't we?
Brainfreeze, is it? Hmmh.
And Gary A?
I was hoping you guys were just being
tongue in cheek re: this 'conspiracy belief',
but, sadly enough, I guess I was wrong.

Brainfreeze · Jan 13, 2016

sydlit said:

Im sorry, but now your twisting words. Why do you relate the scripture at the bottom in my signature to the facts and evidence set before you on these different matters ? If you think it's all a farce, go with that, its your decision. What the scripture means to me though, is you shall know the truth, the truth of the flesh and the Spirit " through Gods Word, nothing will be able to confuse the truth, and once you understand the truth " Gods Word ", the truth ...will set you free.

This should be expected from the world and the devil?? You think Satan is going to tell you the truth..., He's the father of lies, you know that, right? Don't plan on him or" the world " telling you about anything. You would never have heard of a Bill Cooper "christian" btw that warned us of the whole plan months before. The Israelis arrested, and the art students " bomb squad " connected to the cia. These are the facts, and there's plenty of evidences you deny to call us names and be disrespectful.

As I said from beginning, if you think it's all fake, fine, stay asleep, ignorance seems like bliss I'd imagine.

Brainfreeze · Jan 13, 2016

[video=youtube;Kg7Qt4bV0B8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg7Qt4bV0B8[/video]

Posted these in another thread...fitting here as well.

Brainfreeze · Jan 13, 2016

[video=youtube;LbkQddEDPs0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkQddEDPs0[/video]

Brainfreeze said:

Sinnerman · Jan 13, 2016

This is how it is with conspiracy nuts. They claim to search for truth, and in this case you asked specifically for evidence and proof that your conspiracy theories about the Pentagon were ludicrous. I did just that. But as always, a conspiracy nut will just move on to more minutia to debate over. You won't post that you were completely wrong about the Pentagon and that evidence has proven that flight 77 struck the Pentagon, not a missile. Nope. You'll just move on to some other crazy theory, because you have an endless supply of them. Each time they are easily proven to be bogus, you'll refuse to admit it and move on to Israeli art students of something that will shock me to the core. Do you understand that your brain is severely damaged and that you are sick and need help? See a doctor. Don't hang out on the internet. It is poison for you. It feeds your fantasies. It has probably destroyed your marriage and alienated you from former friends. If you attend a church, it's a sure bet they stay a safe distance from you and try not to make eye contact with you or get caught up in a conversation with you. I wouldn't blame them. Please, get help and get far away from this forum.

sydlit · Jan 13, 2016

Brainfreeze said:

I wasnt twisting, merely pointing out how you claim certain things as being facts based on sketchy evidence, and you use only half a scripture passage instead of the whole passage in context, .....I pointed that out as an example of how partial truths can lead to more lies, as is evidenced by your overindulgent adherence to juvenile conspiratorial baloney.
And no, I dont expect the devil to tell the truth, I said I expect the devil and the world to spew 'half'-truths, ..... (lies), but I expect better from 'christians'. That's CLEARLY what I was saying, but you seem to lack the ability to accept the truth, so I'm not surprised you got even That simple point wrong. Have fun with your hollywood fantasies. All will be revealed, anyway. I won't judge your sincerity, or desire to try to warn ppl about things you want to believe. I just think you're believing and warning about the wrong things.

GaryA · Jan 13, 2016

Sinnerman said:

YOU said the wings were sheered off. Prove it. Show it -- outside of the building...

"Show me two wings-worth of wing parts in the pictures."

Remember, the wings include - not only the skin of the wing - but also - the sketetal / structural framework of the wing.......... and fuel tanks.......... and landing gear..........

Show me all of that in those pictures.

still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?

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