The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Here is a little history on Antinomianism...
In Christianity, an antinomian is one who takes the principle of salvation by faith and divine grace to the point of asserting that the saved are not bound to follow the Law of Moses.


The distinction between antinomian and other Christian views on moral law is that antinomians believe that obedience to the law is motivated by an internal principle flowing from belief rather than from any external compulsion.

The term antinomianism emerged soon after the Protestant Reformation (c.1517) and has historically been used as a pejorative against Christian thinkers or sects who carried their belief in justification by faith further than was customary.

Antinomianism in modern times is commonly seen as the theological opposite to Legalism or Works righteousness, the notion that obedience to religious law earns salvation. This makes antinomianism an exaggeration of justification by faith alone.

Terms mean different things to people.

Antinomian just means lawless. The term is not specific to the law of Moses. Those who rebel against GOD's revealed will are lawless.

New.modern.hyper grace is lawless in spirit because it is rebellion against established order and doctrine. That's the whole nature of this movement. It's filled with people who are rebelling against the perversions and deadness of the established religious system. Unfortunately, like some of the Protestant reformers who were right to oppose the gross evils of the established church but fell into lawlessness, they themselves have been seduced by a lawless spirit to teach and practice things that scripture does not allow.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Here is just the first one I found for you... Irenaeus: The Most Dangerous Heretic?

Scroll on down, it goes on for quite awhile. (a little over 14,000 words) One of the first things I learned in Bible School decades ago was that this was one of the most unreliable of the Early Church Fathers.

This website is a piece of work. Apparently the author thinks Irenaeus was the most dangerous heretic because he did not complain to Rome when they changed Passover observance to a Sunday. That's what we'd expect from a sabbatarian who possibly thinks worshiping on Sundays is the mark of the beast, or at a minimum, sin.

However, Irenaeus showed good, godly judgment on the matter. Apparently there was a lot of controversy concerning this, and he said that the controversy was cutting the church to pieces, and it wasn't worth casting away faith and love in order to preserve an external form of religion.

"The apostles ordained, that "we should not judge any one in respect to meat or drink, or in regard to a feast day, or the new moons, or the sabbaths.'' Whence then these contentions? whence these schisms? We keep the feast [of Passover], but in the leaven of malice and wickedness, cutting in pieces the Church of God; and we preserve what belongs to its exterior, that we may cast away these better things, faith and love. We have heard from the prophetic words that these feasts and fasts are displeasing to the Lord." (Fragments of Irenaeus XXXVIII.)​

The man knew his stuff. This is what he was referring to when he said GOD hated the feasts.

Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear [them]. Isaiah 1:14

I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Amos 5:21​

 

[FreeNChrist]

Antinomian just means lawless. The term is not specific to the law of Moses. Those who rebel against GOD's revealed will are lawless.

New.modern.hyper grace is lawless in spirit because it is rebellion against established order and doctrine. That's the whole nature of this movement. It's filled with people who are rebelling against the perversions and deadness of the established religious system. Unfortunately, like some of the Protestant reformers who were right to oppose the gross evils of the established church but fell into lawlessness, they themselves have been seduced by a lawless spirit to teach and practice things that scripture does not allow.

Quite the contrary. It is “we” who are under grace and know what it means, who uphold God's Law….all of it. We do not water it down. We do not slice and dice it, applying what works in one instance and discarding what does not work in another. It is the legalist who does that. They have to, to make the Law “doable”. Otherwise they would have to admit that their only hope is Jesus alone, and that all of their “doings” are but wood, hay and stubble.

 

[Willie-T]

Yup, pretty doomed as usual Willie.

It wouldn't seem right if I wasn't.

 

[Willie-T]

anti catholic bigot. ..................hmm was that a double negative?

I think that means someone who is against anti-Catholicism.

 

[Mitspa]

Are you a member of the modern-day Gnostics? That's who was behind heretical movies like The Da Vinci Code.

lol... No im a son of God

 

[Mitspa]

The true founder of Catholic theology, St. Irenaeus of Lyon (Pope Benedict XVI. Homily for the Solemnity of Sts. Peter and Paul. June 29, 2005

 

[Grace777x70]

Oh oh...that one is going to hurt!

The true founder of Catholic theology, St. Irenaeus of Lyon (Pope Benedict XVI. Homily for the Solemnity of Sts. Peter and Paul. June 29, 2005

 

[Mitspa]

For 1500 years, Augustine was considered one of the greatest teachers of the Catholic church. His influence was so great that about 200 years after his death at least three works were forged in his name. These works justified practices that were unknown in Augustine’s time. It was these forgeries that Thomas Aquinas quoted from (along with the forgeries of Gratian). Since Thomas Aquinas is considered the greatest teacher of Catholic history, these forgeries are still exerting their influence. These works are named De Condition Cordis (Summa, Part III, Fourth Number, 119), De Penitentia (Summa, Part III, Third number, 57) and Hypognosticon (Summa, Part III, Third Number, 77).

 

[Mitspa]

the Bishop of Lyons, Irenaeus wrote concerning a theme common in patristic Marian reflections, that Mary was the “Second Eve”: "As Eve was seduced by the speech of an angel, so as to flee God in transgressing his word, so also Mary received the good tidings by means of the angel's speech, so as to be God within her, being obedient to this word. And though the one had disobeyed God, yet the other was drawn to obey him; that of the virgin Eve, the virgin Mary might become the advocate and as by a virgin the human race had been bound to death, by a virgin it is saved, the balance being preserved- a virgin's disobedience by a virgin' obedience."


this clown started mary worship ....

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

For 1500 years, Augustine was considered one of the greatest teachers of the Catholic church. His influence was so great that about 200 years after his death at least three works were forged in his name. These works justified practices that were unknown in Augustine’s time. It was these forgeries that Thomas Aquinas quoted from (along with the forgeries of Gratian). Since Thomas Aquinas is considered the greatest teacher of Catholic history, these forgeries are still exerting their influence. These works are named De Condition Cordis (Summa, Part III, Fourth Number, 119), De Penitentia (Summa, Part III, Third number, 57) and Hypognosticon (Summa, Part III, Third Number, 77).

What does Augustine have to do with anything relative to this topic? Has your rabid anti-Catholic hatred so blinded your eyes that you see the word Irenaeus every time you read some quote from a catholic leader?

 

[Mitspa]

What does Augustine have to do with anything relative to this topic? Has your rabid anti-Catholic hatred so blinded your eyes that you see the word Irenaeus every time you read some quote from a catholic leader?

I think its shows that nothing held in the RCC tradition can be trusted to be what it claims to be ... Who knows what was written and when it was written? Because its proven the Catholic church will conceive any deception it needs to promote its lies.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

the Bishop of Lyons, Irenaeus wrote concerning a theme common in patristic Marian reflections, that Mary was the “Second Eve”: "As Eve was seduced by the speech of an angel, so as to flee God in transgressing his word, so also Mary received the good tidings by means of the angel's speech, so as to be God within her, being obedient to this word. And though the one had disobeyed God, yet the other was drawn to obey him; that of the virgin Eve, the virgin Mary might become the advocate and as by a virgin the human race had been bound to death, by a virgin it is saved, the balance being preserved- a virgin's disobedience by a virgin' obedience."
this clown started mary worship ....

No he didn't. Pretty harmless stuff. What perverts after him did is an altogether different story. The above says that Mary became an advocate of Eve, not the human race.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think its shows that nothing held in the RCC tradition can be trusted to be what it claims to be ... Who knows what was written and when it was written? Because its proven the Catholic church will conceive any deception it needs to promote its lies.

You're committing at least 3 logical fallacies, which with your anti-Catholic bigotry makes YOU the unreliable witness.

 

[popeye]

I think that means someone who is against anti-Catholicism.

A catholic,a rabbi and a Baptist pastor walk into a bar....

Just joking

 

[Grace777x70]

The Pentecostal one sneaks in the back...just jokin'

A catholic,a rabbi and a Baptist pastor walk into a bar....

Just joking

 

[KennethC]

It would be appreciated and hold more weight if you use actual quotes from the person, rather then use quotes from what somebody else said another said !!!

Also still trying to tie somebody to a church that did not exist in their time is not proper, nor should we consider all guilty for what a few have done.

If that be the case we should then all Protestants should consider themselves just as guilty as the Catholic's because of the 30 years war !!!

Martin Luther, one of the founders of the Protestant movement and church believed and taught baptismal regeneration !!!

 

[phil36]

The amazing thing about those who follow a so called hyper grace, are actually the most ungraceful when you see the reaction of their main preachers and leaders when critiqued..not the most graceful nor very truthful.

 

[KennethC]

The amazing thing about those who follow a so called hyper grace, are actually the most ungraceful when you see the reaction of their main preachers and leaders when critiqued..not the most graceful nor very truthful.

Makes no sense either, heck I question the preacher at my own church with the Word of God to make sure he is actually staying in line with the scriptures in his sermons.

We are called to test everybody and not just take what another says as truth, but this blind following happens more often then naught !!!

 

[KennethC]

that's just silly anyone that has studied the formation of the RCC understands its was formed from the desire of the Roman church to take power of what was called Christianity ... the term "catholic" is but a term that describes the evil that was already present in the Roman church.

Your Protestant teachings has totally warped the meanings of words to keep you in hatred.

catholic (small c) --- Means universal, as in anybody no matter what race, creed, or background they come from can become members of the body of Christ (believers).

catholic (small c) has no ties to anything meaning evil !!!

Also it was not the Roman church that did this, it was Rome and its theology itself that crept into the church and defiled it and its teachings. A good background history study will see this, that the Roman church was good at first until the Roman emperor and their ways influenced and corrupted the church which then grew to become the RCC in the 4th Century (301-400 A.D.).

It was not evil in the 1st and 2nd centuries as it was under the guidance of the original Apostles such as Paul and Peter, and again Paul calls them in Rome in his epistle beloved in Christ.......Not evil !!!

Final question for you since of what you said about the term "catholic" :

Do you think some don't deserve to hear the Word of God, and have the choice to put their faith in Christ ????

I ask because that is what the universal meaning of catholic means.........