The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace

sydlit · Jan 16, 2016

I thank God HE is the Author and Authority over His Word and preserved it down through the ages to us today, and His Word is forever settled in heaven. The RCC has no authority or credibility when it comes to God's Word. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of THE faith and our faith, and we are saved by His grace alone, certainly not BECAUSE of, but DESPITE the RCC.
Do you agree with that?

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 16, 2016

Willie-T said:

Factual reporting. That's what Irenaeus did regarding the gnostics.

That article was written by a Church of GOD sabbatarian who thinks not observing the sabbath and Jewish festivals is heretical.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 16, 2016

sydlit said:

Absolutely. Bear in mind though that you just thanked GOD for people like Irenaeus who preserved the faith for you so that you can thank GOD in the knowledge of Christ.

sydlit · Jan 16, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Well, you just lied. I did not thank God for ppl, read my post again. I know of no Irenaeus, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of my faith, and therefore everything in between.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 16, 2016

For all of those chomping at the bit to find something evil about Irenaeus, and his machinations to implement the evil RCC empire, here's what I could find he said regarding church doctrine in the quote I provided in the OP.

Animal men, again, are instructed in animal things; such men, namely, as are established by their works, and by a mere faith, while they have not perfect knowledge. We of the Church, [the gnostics] say, are these persons.

[the gnostics] run us [of the Church] down (who from the fear of God guard against sinning even in thought or word) as utterly contemptible and ignorant persons, while they highly exalt themselves, and claim to be perfect, and the elect seed.

Can someone point out the heretical teaching of this ungodly man to me please? Thanks.

sydlit · Jan 16, 2016

It just sounds like a lot of arrogant nonsense.

sydlit · Jan 17, 2016

sydlit said:

Gosh, I'm sorry. Seemed like this thread was going like gangbusters, I put my 2 cents in, and everybody ran away. I didn't mean to derail it. I apologize.

ladylynn · Jan 17, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Posts like this that you post to me just don't even merit a response HeRose. So when I don't comment on what you say in the future, that is why. Discussion is one thing and can be done decently and in order., insults like this are entirely another matter.

Mitspa · Jan 17, 2016

You grace folks must be winning the scripture debate on the forum to have folks so stirred up they have to drag out the old catholic letters to debate the issue....

ladylynn · Jan 17, 2016

Willie-T said:

Yup, pretty doomed as usual Willie.

BenFTW · Jan 17, 2016

Hey Phil, I made a thread to address "parental forgiveness" and sin confession: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-forgiveness-rebuilding-veil-jesus-broke.html

PS: Not calling you a liar, but the doctrine. If it ain't the truth VVELL... haha

chancer · Jan 17, 2016

its like play time at the junior school ...

DP · Jan 17, 2016

Mitspa said:

Are you a member of the modern-day Gnostics? That's who was behind heretical movies like The Da Vinci Code.

phil36 · Jan 17, 2016

BenFTW said:

Hi Ben,

I have read your post, And to be frankly honest it is in grave error. Hyper grace re-interpritations to fit your model.. very close to Antinomianism...although I wouldn't say you are there yet

blondieindahouse · Jan 17, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

anti catholic bigot. ..................hmm was that a double negative?

blondieindahouse · Jan 17, 2016

BenFTW said:

You are correct. They are two separate things but still, both not biblical.

Grace777x70 · Jan 17, 2016

I think they just went to bed...lol....the whole point to me was that the whole idea that believers in the grace of Christ ( whether they use the term hyper-grace or whatever else made up terms they have ) are not like the so-called gnostics. ...it is just used because the things of Christ and our union with Him are spiritually understood and it's hard to "make sense " out of things with our natural mind.

Personally I believe true Christians all through time have seen glimpses of the grace of Christ. It seems like the Lord is emphasizing the true grace of Christ at this point in time - not so that "grace" itself is the end goal..it isn't. It's in the revealing of the greatness of our Lord and His finished work on our behalf. The goal of all this is to fall in love in a deeper way with the Lord. In the ages to come our loving, good Father will be showing the surpassing "riches" of His grace in kindness to us in Christ our Lord.

Ephesians 2:7-9 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

As we grow in the grace and knowledge of Him ...He becomes more beautiful.

I always ask myself 3 questions when looking at any truth.

1) Does it make Jesus bigger and more wonderful and beautiful? ( or does it make me navel-gaze at myself?)

2) Does it exalt Jesus and His finished work on our behalf? ( or does it make me look to myself )

3) Does it make me fall deeper in love with Jesus and the Father and His children when I see what He has done?

If the answer to these questions are "Yes"..then I'm all for it.

sydlit said:

Grace777x70 · Jan 17, 2016

Hey good morning Phil36!

I found it funny that the people that came up with the term "Antinomianism" were the very ones that were against the teaching of the grace of God alone for salvation. ( of course we know that His life in us causes us to lead godly lives which yield good fruit but it is His fruit in us manifesting ) so, in other words it was the legalists that coined the phrase in the first place.

They created their own "straw-man"..then beat it up and voila!...now we have "Antinomianism"...which is a very bad thing. It's kinda hilarious to watch in action actually.

The attempt to malign the grace of God by using the terms "hyper-grace" " neo-gnostic modern grace " " greasy grace " ..and other derogatory terms against the grace of Christ is simply a modern day attempt at the same thing. The Lord is in this present time is bringing to the forefront the wonderful and complete finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ on our behalf.

The end goal is not "grace"..the end goal is knowing Jesus and bringing Him glory in what He has done in His perfect and complete work for us. It reveals His great love and majesty!

Here is a little history on Antinomianism...
In Christianity, an antinomian is one who takes the principle of salvation by faith and divine grace to the point of asserting that the saved are not bound to follow the Law of Moses.

The distinction between antinomian and other Christian views on moral law is that antinomians believe that obedience to the law is motivated by an internal principle flowing from belief rather than from any external compulsion.

The term antinomianism emerged soon after the Protestant Reformation (c.1517) and has historically been used as a pejorative against Christian thinkers or sects who carried their belief in justification by faith further than was customary.

Antinomianism in modern times is commonly seen as the theological opposite to Legalism or Works righteousness, the notion that obedience to religious law earns salvation. This makes antinomianism an exaggeration of justification by faith alone.

Terms mean different things to people.

phil36 said:

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 17, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Just so all will know, the navel gaze comment above is in reference to one of the new.modern.hyper grace internet gurus (whom this poster is obsessed with and is possibly affiliated with) who compared examining ourselves before taking communion to navel gazing. It's just his ungodly style.

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh condemnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Corinthians 11:27-31

Grace777x70 · Jan 17, 2016

That is a good thread Ben..well done...and thanks..it will help the ones that are truly seeking to know our awesome Lord Jesus and the great finished work He has done for us all...it will help us to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus! In everything He will have the preeminence! He alone is worthy!!!

The real reason people come up with the 2 types of forgiveness is that they need to do something to refute what the scriptures have to say about forgiveness in order to keep their "sacred cow" in place....the real truth in scriptures "conflicts" with their religious beliefs which all of us have been subjected to from the time we were born-again.

Forgiveness is a done deal bought for by the blood of our Lord. Despite what our religious upbringing has taught us. This is what scripture has to say about forgiveness but men's made up terms to support their religious views.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

Perfect Tense

The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect.

In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous state and that was put on them....not something they did

Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Here are some more scriptures on the forgiveness of God thru the precious blood of our Lord!....

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...and look...that hyper-grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins

Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work

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