The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace

[KennethC]

See..here is where you bring "works" in kennethc... by "adding" commands to "maintain " salvation..it's your religious views. that does that..

So, in other words you have no proof of your accusation about me not acknowledging to God I have sinned when I do sin......did you want to go back and say you don't have any proof..?...

There you go reading more into something a person said and throwing around false allegations.

Nowhere did I say a person has to do works to maintain salvation, that is your faulty debate and lie you can't get over.

You do not understand a true saving faith in Christ will have this obedience to His commands, not just those two from 1 John.

Either you don't understand this and are still learning, or you understand this but are still disobedient to a number of His ways that you want to excuse that sinful behavior. Which is it ???

Romans 13:9-10 the Apostle Paul clearly shows walking in love will uphold and thus fulfill all the commandments given to us by Christ, and Paul even includes the 10....

This does not mean this obedience saves or maintains salvation as you all like to faulty use, but what it does show is what a true saving faith in Christ that does save looks like !!!

 

[KennethC]

Kenneth...my goodness buddy...gives and grants are the same words in greek....ok...this is getting to be bizarre and fruitless..I'm off to bed..have a good night..God bless you!

English Words used in KJV:
give 365
grant 10
put 5
show 4
deliver 2
make 2


Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

You do realize Greek words have multiple meanings and usages don't you ???

They do not have one meaning and one usage.........

Also here you go instead of agreeing or disagreeing with what I said, you start debating and ranglling over word usage. You do know Paul says to avoid such people that are doing what you just did ???

I think I will take his advice !!!

God bless

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes..no Son..no life..no nothing...but we do have the Son..Praise God!..Sadly...the unbelievers can refuse Him....hard to believe that some will refuse His great love for them...have a good night God bless!

The only reason he granted us this repentance is because He sent His son. No son, no repentance. I don't believe your interpretation of this verse is correct. If what you say is true, why doesn't God save everyone, it is clearly His will that everyone come to the full knowledge of Christ.

1 Timothy 2
2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I've got to go, check yah out later.

 

[Mitspa]

I do think before I post, you are the one who doesn't because you claim stuff on others they never have done......

Then you take and use Catholic sources or what a Catholic person has said to get your truth, getting truth by a source of lies is like trying to get orange juice from a watermelon; Can't happen !!!

The Catholic church also claims the Apostle Peter was the first Pope, does not make it fact Mitspa !!!

Again trying to tie a man to a church that did not exist in his days is wrong and a lie !!!!!!!!

No the catholics lie about everything...that's part of the point ...but clearly this man is a Roman catholic just as the pope said and as his own writings explain.

 

[Bookends]

So, we do have to rightly divide the truth..but in essence YOU have not obeyed Jesus command....so you have made up a reason why you are "obeying" His command even though you aren't actually following His words...just the intent..right?..we need to do the same for all scriptures.

I do not believe it is our works that maintains our salvation, but rather abiding in Christ does. Our works is a by product of our faith. And yes, intent is a big factor. I'm not perfect in obedience, I mess up sometimes and I don't lose my salvation because of this. I repent and ask for strength for the next time. I need lots of work. However, by living in willful sin I can not be of any service to God nor maintain any relationship with Him. There is a difference from continued willful sin and a sin committed in human weakness, our ignorance.

Salvation is a matter of the heart, a contrite heart. See physical circumcision was the one act of obedience the Jews or non-Jew for that matter, to be included in the covenant promised to Abraham. That was a type, the anti-type to that is the circumcision of the heart, a changed heart. A heart after God. Just because our salvation is possible solely on the Grace of God doesn't mean a change isn't required. God always required a change, no change in our sinful ways always led to destruction and judgment always started with those who He called His people. God's grace never changed from the OT to the NT, God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

That said, in Matthew 28 Jesus commanded the 11 disciples to go and make disciples of in all nations, nothing is mentioned specifically here about about the Jews.

 

[Bookends]

Yes..no Son..no life..no nothing...but we do have the Son..Praise God!..Sadly...the unbelievers can refuse Him....hard to believe that some will refuse His great love for them...have a good night God bless!

I agree, it's hard to believe, and a mystery to me. The only reason I can come up with is that men in general love themselves more then God. They want to throw off the chords of God, His claim on us, for the sake of their pride and lustful pleasures.

 

[Grandpa]

I haven't read anything from NRFTD or Phil36 that suggested such a thing!

I like this verse from Hebrews 5:9 and I have seen a few quote this verse trying to leave the last part off, "to all who obey Him."

He is not the author of eternal salvation to the disobedient !!!

Hebrews 5:9
9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,


Here is a perfect opportunity to clear the air.

Is Salvation a gift and not of works? (Ephesians 2)

If you agree that it is then all the things "required" for eternal salvation must also be a gift. Right?

So obedience must be contained in Salvation. Obedience doesn't come from self-effort. It comes from abiding in Christ.

If not, then why would we need imputed righteousness?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Hebrews 5:9
9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
Here is a perfect opportunity to clear the air.
Is Salvation a gift and not of works? (Ephesians 2)
If you agree that it is then all the things "required" for eternal salvation must also be a gift. Right?
So obedience must be contained in Salvation. Obedience doesn't come from self-effort. It comes from abiding in Christ.
If not, then why would we need imputed righteousness?

Abiding in Christ is self-effort. Abiding in Christ is obedience. Justification and initial sanctification are gifts, but after that point abiding in our sanctification requires work (self-effort, whatever you want to call it).

 

[Willie-T]

Abiding in Christ is self-effort. Abiding in Christ is obedience. Justification and initial sanctification are gifts, but after that point abiding in our sanctification requires work (self-effort, whatever you want to call it).

If we were capable of doing that on our own, the law would never have been given to show us we couldn't keep it, the old sacrifice system would never have been instituted, and Jesus would not have come to die. We would simply have been given the ability to live perfectly right from the start.

And we still don't have that ability. I see your sinning on this forum almost every day, and you see mine. I honestly don't think God allowed Jesus to go through a lifetime of living among us, then to be brutally murdered by us just because it was, perhaps, a slow, boring period in Heaven, and they needed something to keep them entertained.

No, you may like to think you are continuing to do the work that only Jesus could do... and did... but you are really only satisfying your own need to believe you don't really need Jesus anymore, now that He gave you that first initial push on your bicycle of self-sufficiency 2,000 years ago.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If we were capable of doing that on our own, the law would never have been given to show us we couldn't keep it, the old sacrifice system would never have been instituted, and Jesus would not have come to die. We would simply have been given the ability to live perfectly right from the start.

Who said we are doing it on our own? We have help. The holy spirit.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I do not believe it is our works that maintains our salvation, but rather abiding in Christ does.

If it is up to you to maintain your salvation you should be very afraid, very afraid indeed.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Abiding in Christ is self-effort. Abiding in Christ is obedience. Justification and initial sanctification are gifts, but after that point abiding in our sanctification requires work (self-effort, whatever you want to call it).

Nothing new there. It's that old lie that God saves us, but now it's up to us to keep ourselves saved. A lie right out of the pit.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If it is up to you to maintain your salvation you should be very afraid, very afraid indeed.

That's what godly people do, my friend.

Therefore, the one who thinks that he stands must watch out lest he fall. Temptation has not come upon you except [what is] common to humanity. But God [is] faithful, who will not permit you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but will also make a way out together with the temptation, [so that you] may be able to endure [it]. 1 Corinthians 10:12-13

And he said to them, “When you pray, say, ​“Father, may your name be treated as holy. May your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation. Luke 11:2-4​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Nothing new there. It's that old lie that God saves us, but now it's up to us to keep ourselves saved. A lie right out of the pit.

Spoken by the gnostic spirit within you.

 

[Willie-T]

Who said we are doing it on our own? We have help. The holy spirit.

Then why aren't any of us (including you and me) doing it? The Bible says no sin is getting into whatever Heaven turns out to be. Yet we all still produce plenty of it.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Spoken by the gnostic spirit within you.

Of course, because you are the self-proclaimed Discerner of spirits.

 

[KennethC]

No the catholics lie about everything...that's part of the point ...but clearly this man is a Roman catholic just as the pope said and as his own writings explain.

Can't be a Roman catholic when the man lived 2 Centuries before the church started !!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Then why aren't any of us (including you and me) doing it? The Bible says no sin is getting into whatever Heaven turns out to be. Yet we all still produce plenty of it.

You speak for yourself, not me.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Can't be a Roman catholic when the man lived 2 Centuries before the church started !!!

He thinks everything after John died was the RCC.

 

[Mitspa]

Can't be a Roman catholic when the man lived 2 Centuries before the church started !!!

Clearly the RCC and the pope disagree with you and claim this man founded the Rcc and their doctrines of heresy.... its like saying they was no Nazis until they took power...in the 1930s